anyone getting MSRP (or below)

Hi-TecDesigns · 07-30-2009, 02:22 PM

Just picked up a Moss Green Cube SL w/Preferred package for the SO (some may laugh, but it's what she wanted, and it grew on me), and now that I'm spending more time in stop and go traffic (yeah Baltimore beltway

), I have been looking at something a little more luxurious and easier on the clutch knee than my S2000.

Test drove an automatic 370Z base w/sport package last night and I was impressed with the family jewels it appears to have. I paid invoice for the cube (which seems to be a difficult thing to do for the green... tough bastards to find with the preferred package), but I was wondering if it's reasonable to assume I could do the same with the Z. I know the '20s will be out in another 1.5 months, but I would prefer getting something sooner.

For an auto 370Z w/sport, splash guards, and trunk/floor mats, invoice is $32,180 (not including tax/tag/title or destination, which adds another $2700). Anyone had any luck getting invoice or lower? If it's a fairly common thing for the savvy buyer, I'll go in more prepared to battle for the low price. If not, I may just have to eat some extra dough on the deal.

Thanks!

theDreamer · 07-30-2009, 02:26 PM

Two threads you should read through and will help you:

How I have scored invoice pricing with 3.99% APR on my 370Z?

2009 Nissan 370z invoice Price

It can be done, I paid invoice for my Base 370z with manual, sport package and splash guards. I picked up the floor mats aftermarket and will do the same with the kick plates.

xiven · 07-30-2009, 02:27 PM

most ppl are getting invoice or better...seems about right for those specs...i'm assuming you meant '10's

Hi-TecDesigns · 07-30-2009, 04:13 PM

xiven, <chuckle> Yeah, kinda fat-fingered the keyboard there.

theDreamer, I read through the first half of the first thread you linked to. I'm a relatively savvy buyer. For the Cube, we took several test drives and gave several local dealerships the opportunity to earn our business. None had what we wanted on the lot, which meant they would need to get someone to drive it to them, losing the dealer holdback profit. It costs them roughly $200 to pay someone to go get a car, and as a business I honestly feel they deserve to make a profit. My best offer was $400 over invoice (plus their processing fees, usually $100-$150), which I felt gave them a few hundred dollars for very little work. All said 'no'.

So, I did some searching and found what I wanted 140 miles from here. I paid invoice for that one, so the dealership made holdback plus processing, and the local guys made zero. They lost out on any profit because they got greedy. The Cube don't stay on the lot very long (at least what we wanted), so I felt quite happy with invoice. I didn't know how long the Z's stayed on the lot, but one of the local guys said they don't sell many of them and they tend to sit. they have a Platinum that fits my description, but I'm considering four colors... platinum, red, black, and white. I really like the look of the yellow, but I've never been able to justify in my mind paying extra for a color.

I'll pay invoice for all packages and extras, not MSRP. The Touring model doesn't appear to offer me anything special enough to warrant the extra price tag (though why can't they put a CD player that handles MP3s in a $30k+ vehicle?! Even the Cube handles MP3s!).

theDreamer · 07-30-2009, 04:17 PM

I agree on the CD MP3, on the Yellow color, it is a one time color for this year and it will be gone.
Most are getting invoice on the Z, they have probably started having many sit now since the high volume of sales was around March. Many orders were coming in and enough time had past that people could see the car in person, drive it, and a few owners were giving reviews.

Touring v. Base is a tough call, I went base as I felt the extras were not worth it, only two things I wanted were leather and the nav (which costs extra).

xiven · 07-30-2009, 04:30 PM

whole row of them, just about every color...just sitting

this is one of them that I like ... who knows... maybe I'll take it home one day

Hi-TecDesigns · 07-30-2009, 05:21 PM

Well, I've found the package I want in every color I desire within 30 miles of me, so no immediate need to drive 140 miles again like with the Cube. If I get it for invoice, it should be right around $35k out the door.

The rant from that GT-R dude in the other thread was hilarious... a real tool who makes wild assumptions to further his own agenda. I'm supposed to consider the time waiting for an email to arrive as wasted? Moron...

shabarivas · 07-30-2009, 05:26 PM

I paid < 33k OTD w/ everything for my Base + Sport Black/Black 6mt

Hi-TecDesigns · 07-30-2009, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shabarivas

I paid < 33k OTD w/ everything for my Base + Sport Black/Black 6mt

I assume there were no other options added in? At 5% tax (6% here in MD), what you listed (and only what you listed), comes to a few dollars short of $33k at invoice (not including tag/title). Assuming the dealership only has a 2% holdback (some get more if they're good sellers and are rated high by customers), that's around $615 to play with... and most dealers won't want to dig too far into that cash cow (nor should they be required to, IMO).

fly yellow · 07-30-2009, 05:54 PM

If you buy it by the end of the day tomorrow (last day of the month), then you should have no problem getting invoice. Even if you're not a savvy buyer, you could always go to Carmax in Whitemarsh, they sell new Nissans. Their no haggle price on the Z is right around invoice.

Cjanik · 07-30-2009, 06:52 PM

I dont think anybody is paying MSRP for a 370z.

also, dont compare your cube experience with your 370z, Reason being - the Cube is a more practical and friendlier priced car. a lot of cubes are being sold and they can get more money out of them due to higher demand than the 370z.

The 370z is priced much higher and its a 2 door sports car that isnt very practical - in other words its a "toy". A lot of people can not afford toy's right at this time so they have to get the price down to be able to get it off their hands.

you can expect to pay invoice or better on a 370z, just be up for studying - and then work your way to the price you want.

37Z · 07-30-2009, 07:21 PM

Paid invoice with extended warranty.

Money talks now has been my recent experience.

Hi-TecDesigns · 07-30-2009, 07:22 PM

Cj,

So you're suggesting I could probably get better than invoice if I find a hungry dealer and stand my ground? Good to know, but I would start to feel a bit guilty about dipping too low into his profit margin... I'm a business owner myself, and I'm fine with giving the dealers a reasonable amount of profit.

I knew the cube was/is pretty popular, and combined with the rarity of the green color, I figured if I could get it for invoice I was doing pretty well. That's why I was willing to offer up to $400 over invoice (even if half of that was eaten by the transportation), because I knew it wan't easy to find. I got lucky, or shall I say she got lucky.

I would still like to take another test drive to determine if my two main complaints (huge blind spot, possibly due to the sticker, and poor transmission shifting in manual mode, possibly due to inexperience with the specific vehicle) are still there. The blind spot is a pretty big deal, and I would hate to get the car and end up in an accident because I couldn't see to change lanes. If I can shake those two issues (and can work a good deal), I'll probably pick one up.

The on to the customization

I don't think I'll spend as much on the Z as I spent on the S, however... full bodykits molded into the frame, custom candy paintjobs, powder coated frames, etc. I'm not sure I want to add up what I've put into the S to date, but I know I've enjoyed it

Maybe now would be a good time to make it a turbo and keep the Z relatively stock.

Mike · 07-30-2009, 08:24 PM

Invoice should be very easy.

Cjanik · 07-30-2009, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hi-TecDesigns

Cj,

So you're suggesting I could probably get better than invoice if I find a hungry dealer and stand my ground? Good to know, but I would start to feel a bit guilty about dipping too low into his profit margin... I'm a business owner myself, and I'm fine with giving the dealers a reasonable amount of profit.

Yes you can. If you feel guilty, go ahead and pay a little over invoice. I personally see it this way - if you offered to pay MSRP, the dealer wont feel one bit guilty about ripping you off, and yet you feel guilty about them making minimal profit?

some people do, some people dont, Im just one of those guys who see's it "an eye for an eye", sort of. oh and BTW, i paid about 37500 for my 370z, invoice was 37300 or so. I actually thought I was paying 500 over but turns out the dealer ordered the Z with every option available (I told them no other options), and my price didnt change.

07-30-2009, 02:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
Hi-TecDesigns Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Glenelg, MD Posts: 146 Drives: 370 Rdstr AT7 BkChry Rep Power: 16	anyone getting MSRP (or below) Just picked up a Moss Green Cube SL w/Preferred package for the SO (some may laugh, but it's what she wanted, and it grew on me), and now that I'm spending more time in stop and go traffic (yeah Baltimore beltway ), I have been looking at something a little more luxurious and easier on the clutch knee than my S2000. Test drove an automatic 370Z base w/sport package last night and I was impressed with the family jewels it appears to have. I paid invoice for the cube (which seems to be a difficult thing to do for the green... tough bastards to find with the preferred package), but I was wondering if it's reasonable to assume I could do the same with the Z. I know the '20s will be out in another 1.5 months, but I would prefer getting something sooner. For an auto 370Z w/sport, splash guards, and trunk/floor mats, invoice is $32,180 (not including tax/tag/title or destination, which adds another $2700). Anyone had any luck getting invoice or lower? If it's a fairly common thing for the savvy buyer, I'll go in more prepared to battle for the low price. If not, I may just have to eat some extra dough on the deal. Thanks!

07-30-2009, 02:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4211	Two threads you should read through and will help you: How I have scored invoice pricing with 3.99% APR on my 370Z? 2009 Nissan 370z invoice Price It can be done, I paid invoice for my Base 370z with manual, sport package and splash guards. I picked up the floor mats aftermarket and will do the same with the kick plates. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

07-30-2009, 04:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
Hi-TecDesigns Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Glenelg, MD Posts: 146 Drives: 370 Rdstr AT7 BkChry Rep Power: 16	xiven, <chuckle> Yeah, kinda fat-fingered the keyboard there. theDreamer, I read through the first half of the first thread you linked to. I'm a relatively savvy buyer. For the Cube, we took several test drives and gave several local dealerships the opportunity to earn our business. None had what we wanted on the lot, which meant they would need to get someone to drive it to them, losing the dealer holdback profit. It costs them roughly $200 to pay someone to go get a car, and as a business I honestly feel they deserve to make a profit. My best offer was $400 over invoice (plus their processing fees, usually $100-$150), which I felt gave them a few hundred dollars for very little work. All said 'no'. So, I did some searching and found what I wanted 140 miles from here. I paid invoice for that one, so the dealership made holdback plus processing, and the local guys made zero. They lost out on any profit because they got greedy. The Cube don't stay on the lot very long (at least what we wanted), so I felt quite happy with invoice. I didn't know how long the Z's stayed on the lot, but one of the local guys said they don't sell many of them and they tend to sit. they have a Platinum that fits my description, but I'm considering four colors... platinum, red, black, and white. I really like the look of the yellow, but I've never been able to justify in my mind paying extra for a color. I'll pay invoice for all packages and extras, not MSRP. The Touring model doesn't appear to offer me anything special enough to warrant the extra price tag (though why can't they put a CD player that handles MP3s in a $30k+ vehicle?! Even the Cube handles MP3s!). __________________ http://hi-tecdesigns.com/images/pict...on%20Small.gif 2000 S2000 Brickyard Red Metallic w/ Romanesque Crimson Kandy, custom everything else

07-30-2009, 04:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4211	I agree on the CD MP3, on the Yellow color, it is a one time color for this year and it will be gone. Most are getting invoice on the Z, they have probably started having many sit now since the high volume of sales was around March. Many orders were coming in and enough time had past that people could see the car in person, drive it, and a few owners were giving reviews. Touring v. Base is a tough call, I went base as I felt the extras were not worth it, only two things I wanted were leather and the nav (which costs extra). __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

07-30-2009, 05:21 PM	#7 (permalink)
Hi-TecDesigns Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Glenelg, MD Posts: 146 Drives: 370 Rdstr AT7 BkChry Rep Power: 16	Well, I've found the package I want in every color I desire within 30 miles of me, so no immediate need to drive 140 miles again like with the Cube. If I get it for invoice, it should be right around $35k out the door. The rant from that GT-R dude in the other thread was hilarious... a real tool who makes wild assumptions to further his own agenda. I'm supposed to consider the time waiting for an email to arrive as wasted? Moron... __________________ http://hi-tecdesigns.com/images/pict...on%20Small.gif 2000 S2000 Brickyard Red Metallic w/ Romanesque Crimson Kandy, custom everything else

07-30-2009, 02:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
xiven A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Atlanta Age: 44 Posts: 4,128 Drives: Cookie Monster Rep Power: 295	most ppl are getting invoice or better...seems about right for those specs...i'm assuming you meant '10's

07-30-2009, 04:30 PM	#6 (permalink)
xiven A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Atlanta Age: 44 Posts: 4,128 Drives: Cookie Monster Rep Power: 295	whole row of them, just about every color...just sitting this is one of them that I like ... who knows... maybe I'll take it home one day

07-30-2009, 05:26 PM	#8 (permalink)
shabarivas A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,188 Drives: 370z MB 6mt Rep Power: 915	I paid < 33k OTD w/ everything for my Base + Sport Black/Black 6mt

07-30-2009, 05:54 PM	#10 (permalink)
fly yellow Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 455 Drives: 09 yellow 370z Rep Power: 266	If you buy it by the end of the day tomorrow (last day of the month), then you should have no problem getting invoice. Even if you're not a savvy buyer, you could always go to Carmax in Whitemarsh, they sell new Nissans. Their no haggle price on the Z is right around invoice. __________________ A severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer. Mitch Hedberg

07-30-2009, 06:52 PM	#11 (permalink)
Cjanik Track Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 578 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 18	I dont think anybody is paying MSRP for a 370z. also, dont compare your cube experience with your 370z, Reason being - the Cube is a more practical and friendlier priced car. a lot of cubes are being sold and they can get more money out of them due to higher demand than the 370z. The 370z is priced much higher and its a 2 door sports car that isnt very practical - in other words its a "toy". A lot of people can not afford toy's right at this time so they have to get the price down to be able to get it off their hands. you can expect to pay invoice or better on a 370z, just be up for studying - and then work your way to the price you want.

07-30-2009, 07:21 PM	#12 (permalink)
37Z Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 476 Drives: 370Z MB 6M -sold Rep Power: 264	370Z Purchased Paid invoice with extended warranty. Money talks now has been my recent experience.

07-30-2009, 07:22 PM	#13 (permalink)
Hi-TecDesigns Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Glenelg, MD Posts: 146 Drives: 370 Rdstr AT7 BkChry Rep Power: 16	Cj, So you're suggesting I could probably get better than invoice if I find a hungry dealer and stand my ground? Good to know, but I would start to feel a bit guilty about dipping too low into his profit margin... I'm a business owner myself, and I'm fine with giving the dealers a reasonable amount of profit. I knew the cube was/is pretty popular, and combined with the rarity of the green color, I figured if I could get it for invoice I was doing pretty well. That's why I was willing to offer up to $400 over invoice (even if half of that was eaten by the transportation), because I knew it wan't easy to find. I got lucky, or shall I say she got lucky. I would still like to take another test drive to determine if my two main complaints (huge blind spot, possibly due to the sticker, and poor transmission shifting in manual mode, possibly due to inexperience with the specific vehicle) are still there. The blind spot is a pretty big deal, and I would hate to get the car and end up in an accident because I couldn't see to change lanes. If I can shake those two issues (and can work a good deal), I'll probably pick one up. The on to the customization I don't think I'll spend as much on the Z as I spent on the S, however... full bodykits molded into the frame, custom candy paintjobs, powder coated frames, etc. I'm not sure I want to add up what I've put into the S to date, but I know I've enjoyed it Maybe now would be a good time to make it a turbo and keep the Z relatively stock. __________________ http://hi-tecdesigns.com/images/pict...on%20Small.gif 2000 S2000 Brickyard Red Metallic w/ Romanesque Crimson Kandy, custom everything else

07-30-2009, 08:24 PM	#14 (permalink)
Mike The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 5,944 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 2187	Invoice should be very easy. __________________ NISSAN: 75 280Z / 86 300ZX GLL /87 Sentra SE / 03 350Z / 23 Z Porsche: 93 968 / 23 Macan GTS / 93 968

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