How I have scored invoice pricing with 3.99% APR on my 370Z?

GT-R man · 03-05-2009, 05:22 PM

hey I am just glad that you didnt just waste all that time doing this rocket science research to buy a car... I sell cars and i m totally for saving money when it comes to buying a new car.. but come on... blowing what you can save on research thats just as ridiculous as a sales person getting angry at a customer because the customer did his homework...

theDreamer · 03-05-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GT-R man

hey I am just glad that you didnt just waste all that time doing this rocket science research to buy a car... I sell cars and i m totally for saving money when it comes to buying a new car.. but come on... blowing what you can save on research thats just as ridiculous as a sales person getting angry at a customer because the customer did his homework...

But how is blowing what we saved, wasted because of research?
You also have to think of the economic times we are in, people are pushing their pennies farther, time spent on saving money is now weighted more than before where the first "good deal" was the final deal.

AK370Z · 03-05-2009, 05:40 PM

GTR-Man, I am just sharing my story with the forum. No one needs to follow the method. You are more than welcome to believe w/e you like or share your story. BTW, I do not understand how you've calculated my "days off" hours vs money because I don't get paid for relaxing on my days off. If I didn't do those things(i.e research or writing letters), I'd probably sleep or play rockband. Please feel free to pm me if you have anything against me (personally) or the way I have achieved my invoice price. Thanks

takimbe · 03-05-2009, 05:44 PM

Well, I particularly like the research. I do this on my spare time anyways, so if anything, if i wasnt shopping around for a car or doing research on it, I would just be playing games or out paintballing with the guys.

To me, its just part of the fun. I like shopping around, then buying the car, then modifying it to my liking. Kind of like when you want to buy a house (I did the same thing with that too). I did give the dealer a fair profit on the car, I just spent a little more time doing my homework before I ordered my car. Yeah, I spent hours calling and visiting a few dealers in my area, but this was also my first time buying a new car.

Dreamer is right. You cant just quantify it in terms of money.

And while you might be a great dealer to work with, I ran into A LOT of salesmen who got mad at me because I 'did my homework.' I ended up going with another dealer even though it cost me a little more just because the one who offered me the best deal had an A-hole manager, and I just didnt want to deal with someone like that if I had problems with my purchase, so customer service does matter to me too.

kacz07 · 03-05-2009, 05:34 PM

^You're a tool.

kdo2milger · 03-06-2009, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kacz07

^You're a tool.

YES! this Guy is a REAL TOOL!!!

I just wasted 5 minutes of my life reading his garbage post!

He is exactly why I will never buy from a dealer! I mean honestly, who in their right mind would want to go into the dealer this "TOOL" works at and try to buy a car. Then he sarts garbling about all these useless numbers about MR. Y and MR X, deal verses deal, APR verses APR, mumbo jumbo...

I will gladly utilize my time "researching" the BEST possible deal (INVOICE -$1578.00) and the LOWEST APR available (3.99%)!

It is time well spent and time is relative and as long as it is my time i am utilizing then no one else has to be concerned...

You on the other hand can't come to terms with forums like this one because it threatens your way of life! and that pleases me, because I feel that TOOLS like you are an Abomination to the rest of this civilized world!

GT-R man · 03-06-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kdo2milger

YES! this Guy is a REAL TOOL!!!

Then he sarts garbling about all these useless numbers about MR. Y and MR X, deal verses deal, APR verses APR, mumbo jumbo...

I will gladly utilize my time "researching" the BEST possible deal (INVOICE -$1578.00) and the LOWEST APR available (3.99%)!

You on the other hand can't come to terms with forums like this one because it threatens your way of life! and that pleases me, because I feel that TOOLS like you are an Abomination to the rest of this civilized world!

I find it funny that my "mumbo jumbo" uses less math than a 5th grader and u cant understand it... which by the looks of it you wouldnt qualify for the 3.99% regardeless...

MightyBobo · 03-07-2009, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by GT-R man

I find it funny that my "mumbo jumbo" uses less math than a 5th grader and u cant understand it... which by the looks of it you wouldnt qualify for the 3.99% regardeless...

Because your math is completely flawed. That's why nobody "understands" it.

You throw out a random hourly wage, random "time spent" doing random tasks to purchase a vehicle. And then made it seem like he took 2 full weeks of work off to BUY A CAR (80 hours worth) and "lost" that money, so in the end the money he saved was offset by the "$1600" he wasted in time.

Read: your odd tale of wasting money to buy a car with fudged wages and fudged time-spent is all a fabrication in your mind, exacerbated by the fact that you're frustrated you cant sell a car at MSRP to someone who's educated enough to know how a dealerships financial system works.

I dont know what you're complaining about anyway, its not like there wont be some Joe Dumbass waltzing in willing to pay sticker or more because he thinks it'll be SO exclusive.

g35300mm · 03-08-2009, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Because your math is completely flawed. That's why nobody "understands" it.

You throw out a random hourly wage, random "time spent" doing random tasks to purchase a vehicle. And then made it seem like he took 2 full weeks of work off to BUY A CAR (80 hours worth) and "lost" that money, so in the end the money he saved was offset by the "$1600" he wasted in time.

Read: your odd tale of wasting money to buy a car with fudged wages and fudged time-spent is all a fabrication in your mind, exacerbated by the fact that you're frustrated you cant sell a car at MSRP to someone who's educated enough to know how a dealerships financial system works.

I dont know what you're complaining about anyway, its not like there wont be some Joe Dumbass waltzing in willing to pay sticker or more because he thinks it'll be SO exclusive.

This thread is very interesting.

I am a salesman also, working for Toyota. There has been many times, actually i would say about 3-6 times a day when i want to tell a customer to F**** off! but i dont. i give every customer i speak to the red carpet treatment and within the week they usually make a purchase with me and many times at full list or MSRP. There are customers who dont give a f**** who you are, how much training you have or how long you been selling cars for they just want the lowest absolute price possible, take delivery of the car, and never wanna see you again. And then there are customers who just want to be treated with respect and want to feel like they've been taken care of and when they see that.. they'll let you stick your hand in their pocket.

kdo2milger · 03-07-2009, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GT-R man

I find it funny that my "mumbo jumbo" uses less math than a 5th grader and u cant understand it... which by the looks of it you wouldnt qualify for the 3.99% regardeless...

Ha...

Qualify I did my little thorn...

AND 1578 bucks below invoice!

SoCal 370Z · 03-05-2009, 06:20 PM

The whole intent of this thread was a demonstration of AK's enthusiasm while trying to get others into a Z too. Obviously, he has a good relationship with the dealership as shown in his photographs since he too is helping out the dealership.

NorCalZman · 03-06-2009, 12:19 AM

See this is the downside to having dealers troll internet forums. Especially for those of us that will be visiting these dealers. I plan on running my whole game plan by you guys before going to a dealer, and the closest/best one to me happens to be our sponsoring dealer. If he reads my thread, hes going to have me all mapped out before I come in! (hehe)

AK370Z · 03-06-2009, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by NorCalZman

I plan on running my whole game plan by you guys before going to a dealer, and the closest/best one to me happens to be our sponsoring dealer. If he reads my thread, hes going to have me all mapped out before I come in! (hehe)

Boardwalk Nissan - Supporing Dealer - Nissan 370Z Forum
Mike from Boardwalk Nissan is a pretty good guy. Just pm him with your offer and see what he can do. You already know how to get 3.99 APR so that's one less headache.

kailua · 03-06-2009, 04:59 AM

Wow! I was going to wait till this weekend after I get ceramic tint on my 370z and post about my buying experience and post pics at the same time, but this BS from GT-R man made me post early.

What's up with GT-R man?

First, since AK370z did all this research, he may have "wasted" all this time to buy his 370z, but for the rest of us, the process is a whole lot easier and faster. So hence, AK370z's "wasted time and efforts" are actually a big gain and savings for anyone who reads his post and follows his steps.

Second, everyone knows most dealers are trying to scrape as much dinero as possible from customers, so AK370z is smart to do his negotiating on the internet from the comforts of his home instead of him having "walked in to a dealer asked to see the invoice given an offers lets say 100 over invoice." Which is really a bigger waste of time because there is no guarantee of success. I don't know about you, but I like sure things, so why not get a dealer to agree to your terms first, before you even set foot into a stealership?

Third, 3.99% offered by Penfed may go up or down, but you as a salesman and not a representative of PenFed would not know how long they are going to keep the rates as they are. By supposing that it will "only" last for 2 weeks, to a month I think is a cheap and dirty way of discouraging people from looking for better financing.

Finally, why would anyone pay over invoice? That's just stupid. I will tell everyone that any 370z can be purchased for invoice or below, way below. It just takes some research and patience. It's always an old salesman tactic to rush the customer to buy right now. It never serves the customer and only benefits the salesman.

If you ask for a 7 day option, which means that the dealer will give you 7 days to find your own financing, otherwise they will finance you at the rate that they offered. So if PenFed only takes 2 business days to approve and fedex a check to you then you have plenty of time to get your financing together, after you purchase the vehicle. you just need to ask for a finance option.

Folks do not stress out about buying a Z. It is actually really easy. Just be patient and do your research before you pull the trigger. Remember, actual dealer net cost on the Z is 4% below invoice, so for example on mine, the dealer net cost is $34,193 and change. So even with my so called "great" deal they still made $426, which is plenty.

We are not talking about purchasing a GT-R, which from what I have read, a lot of dealers are now selling for sticker, which is considered a good price. For prospective buyers, hang in there. There are deals to be had. It is very much a buyers market. Don't let the dealership smoke and mirrors fool you.

Demon Z · 03-06-2009, 06:16 AM

GT-R man, you need to work on your manners, your grammar and your math because you suck at all three.

03-05-2009, 05:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
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NorCalZman Base Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA Age: 45 Posts: 65 Drives: 1988 Nissan 300ZX SS Rep Power: 18	See this is the downside to having dealers troll internet forums. Especially for those of us that will be visiting these dealers. I plan on running my whole game plan by you guys before going to a dealer, and the closest/best one to me happens to be our sponsoring dealer. If he reads my thread, hes going to have me all mapped out before I come in! (hehe) __________________ 1988 Nissan 300ZX Turbo SS : My Shiro Special site. Limited edition Z31 model. Dyno 5-14-05: 175.17 HP @ 5200rpm & 200.36 Torque @ 3800rpm

03-06-2009, 04:59 AM	#14 (permalink)
kailua Base Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 82 Drives: 09 STI Rep Power: 18	Wow! I was going to wait till this weekend after I get ceramic tint on my 370z and post about my buying experience and post pics at the same time, but this BS from GT-R man made me post early. What's up with GT-R man? First, since AK370z did all this research, he may have "wasted" all this time to buy his 370z, but for the rest of us, the process is a whole lot easier and faster. So hence, AK370z's "wasted time and efforts" are actually a big gain and savings for anyone who reads his post and follows his steps. Second, everyone knows most dealers are trying to scrape as much dinero as possible from customers, so AK370z is smart to do his negotiating on the internet from the comforts of his home instead of him having "walked in to a dealer asked to see the invoice given an offers lets say 100 over invoice." Which is really a bigger waste of time because there is no guarantee of success. I don't know about you, but I like sure things, so why not get a dealer to agree to your terms first, before you even set foot into a stealership? Third, 3.99% offered by Penfed may go up or down, but you as a salesman and not a representative of PenFed would not know how long they are going to keep the rates as they are. By supposing that it will "only" last for 2 weeks, to a month I think is a cheap and dirty way of discouraging people from looking for better financing. Finally, why would anyone pay over invoice? That's just stupid. I will tell everyone that any 370z can be purchased for invoice or below, way below. It just takes some research and patience. It's always an old salesman tactic to rush the customer to buy right now. It never serves the customer and only benefits the salesman. If you ask for a 7 day option, which means that the dealer will give you 7 days to find your own financing, otherwise they will finance you at the rate that they offered. So if PenFed only takes 2 business days to approve and fedex a check to you then you have plenty of time to get your financing together, after you purchase the vehicle. you just need to ask for a finance option. Folks do not stress out about buying a Z. It is actually really easy. Just be patient and do your research before you pull the trigger. Remember, actual dealer net cost on the Z is 4% below invoice, so for example on mine, the dealer net cost is $34,193 and change. So even with my so called "great" deal they still made $426, which is plenty. We are not talking about purchasing a GT-R, which from what I have read, a lot of dealers are now selling for sticker, which is considered a good price. For prospective buyers, hang in there. There are deals to be had. It is very much a buyers market. Don't let the dealership smoke and mirrors fool you. Last edited by kailua; 03-15-2009 at 09:17 PM.

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03-05-2009, 05:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
GT-R man Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: la Posts: 38 Drives: 08 camry Rep Power: 0	hey I am just glad that you didnt just waste all that time doing this rocket science research to buy a car... I sell cars and i m totally for saving money when it comes to buying a new car.. but come on... blowing what you can save on research thats just as ridiculous as a sales person getting angry at a customer because the customer did his homework...

03-05-2009, 05:44 PM	#4 (permalink)
takimbe Base Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 223 Drives: 09' PG 370Z w/SP Rep Power: 266	Well, I particularly like the research. I do this on my spare time anyways, so if anything, if i wasnt shopping around for a car or doing research on it, I would just be playing games or out paintballing with the guys. To me, its just part of the fun. I like shopping around, then buying the car, then modifying it to my liking. Kind of like when you want to buy a house (I did the same thing with that too). I did give the dealer a fair profit on the car, I just spent a little more time doing my homework before I ordered my car. Yeah, I spent hours calling and visiting a few dealers in my area, but this was also my first time buying a new car. Dreamer is right. You cant just quantify it in terms of money. And while you might be a great dealer to work with, I ran into A LOT of salesmen who got mad at me because I 'did my homework.' I ended up going with another dealer even though it cost me a little more just because the one who offered me the best deal had an A-hole manager, and I just didnt want to deal with someone like that if I had problems with my purchase, so customer service does matter to me too.

03-05-2009, 05:34 PM	#5 (permalink)
kacz07 Base Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: EB,NJ Posts: 42 Drives: 06 350z SS 6mt Rep Power: 0	^You're a tool.

03-05-2009, 06:20 PM	#11 (permalink)
SoCal 370Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: US of A Posts: 2,842 Drives: Answers Rep Power: 35	The whole intent of this thread was a demonstration of AK's enthusiasm while trying to get others into a Z too. Obviously, he has a good relationship with the dealership as shown in his photographs since he too is helping out the dealership.

03-06-2009, 06:16 AM	#15 (permalink)
Demon Z Base Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 229 Drives: '13 FR-S Rep Power: 18	GT-R man, you need to work on your manners, your grammar and your math because you suck at all three.