370z rates nearly last on CR's owner satisfaction survey

njobe89 · 12-16-2014, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

Well it may cost a bit more than $15K to get that kind of power, but it certainly won't cost the $50K+ price difference between a new 370Z and new GT-R at their lowest price points (and currently it is closer to a $70K difference). So I could buy two new 370Z, put $20K into each, and have two vehicles that are at or above GT-R levels for the price of a new GT-R. That's all I'm trying to point out. And no it's not fair to build up the GT-R if you're comparing price points.

you can build hondas to keep up with stock a stock gtr, but it will never be a gtr. also, you could buy 2 new 370z's and put 20k in each if the price of a brand new z was 30k. i've seen gtr's here in GA go for 55-60k used of course.

additionally, i think that the people pushing 600+ hp in their z's have spent way more then 20k.

i never compared the price points between a gtr and a z. what i stated was that it's not cheap to build up a z as compared to some other cars.

JARblue · 12-16-2014, 10:54 AM

I paid 31K new for my Z... and that was with the $3K Sports package. Also, plenty of people have 370Z near stock GT-R power (~545 hp) and didn't spend $20K to get there.

The Z is a little more expensive to mod because its more of a niche demographic. Also, NA cars are notoriously more difficult to coax hp out of the stock form than a factory turbo vehicle.

njobe89 · 12-16-2014, 11:09 AM

sometimes yelling is just fun

that's about what i paid for my Z, close to 32 out the door with everything.

i personally don't know anyone with a turbo Z, just by looking at some of the build threads it looks expensive. and i agree about the N/A part with you

FuTuRe is Z · 12-16-2014, 01:51 PM

I think the reason why the % is lowest in the category (although it is above 66% which suggests that most people will rebuy it) is because the Z is at the price threshold where you can buy a boxter/cayman for a few grand more. Personally if my finances improve I could see myself getting into a Porsche as opposed to a Z. That doesn't imply that I dislike the Z, however.

jpkirk · 12-16-2014, 01:57 PM

I would love a Cayman. I priced one new. Quite literally, 3X as much initial outlay because they tag you for EVERY LITTLE EXTRA NUT AND BOLT, then service costs on top of that. I am not poor, but I AM Porsche poor.

njobe89 · 12-16-2014, 02:10 PM

i honestly would drive my 370z before a cayman, i'm not into them at all. Now a Carrera 4s, i'd be interested in, but also way out of my price range lol

Jordo! · 12-16-2014, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by edconline

But you're leaving out something just as important in the sports car market - people buying for looks. Let's take the 2015 sports car market. Yes there are cars faster than the Z in the segment. There are cars that handle better. There are cars that are cheaper and faster and handle if not better, damn close. But nothing that does all that and looks near as good. Given the options right now, I would still buy the Z over anything sub 100k.

That's what I never understood about everyone that 'upgraded' to the 5.0. Yeah it's faster, cheaper, cheaper to make faster and handles well, but have you seen it? Yes people that can buy more expensive cars often will, but sometimes it isn't enough. Like I said, the next price bracket I am interested in is around 150k mark (V10 R8). So even though I could buy say a 75-80k car, I'm still a long way from being able to afford anything that interests me as a follow up to the Z.

I agree with all of that -- and I think it's fair to add that, ironically, actual performance is frequently trumped by perceived performance (i.e., more bhp doesn't always mean faster; lighter/tighter turning radius doesn't necessarily mean better in the slalom).

As to looks, although I suggested leaving the FF's and AWD's out of the debate, the very fact that 4-door rally cars -- vehicles that have nothing in common with the aesthetics of a "classic" sports car -- were big players in the sporty car segment speaks volumes on the range of body styles that can be construed as appropriate for a "sports car".

On the other hand, all over the world, sleek FF's are much beloved as sporty (if not "sports") cars, but a lot less so in the US.

Then there's the weird obsession (mainly in the US...) with the physical size of the car. Little cars tend to be associated with less manliness, (which is pretty stupid, but people also tend to like watching heavyweights pummel each other in the ring over watching welterweights). Pony cars are cross shopped by consumers looking for a sporty car simply on the basis of size (a lot of guys don't want a "girly" little car), and, again, ironically, not in regard to how the size helps or hamstrings actual performance.

On that note, in the US in particular, all things being equal, nothing looks more sporty than a high horsepower rating for the car you drive.

How many people have posted about how much they would like the Z35 to have a V8 or turbo? It ain't for looks.

Hotrodz · 12-16-2014, 08:02 PM

Horsepower is like money....there are lot ugly men with gorgeous women and vice versa because money and power are the worlds greatest aphrodisiacs!!!

Magic Bus · 12-17-2014, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Z Ninja

Consumer Reports ranked the 370z sixth in the overall ranking of sports cars, but what is really surprising is how low it rated in the percentage of owners who would definitely purchase the same vehicle again. It came in next to last behind the Hyundai Genesis Coupe. It kind of begs the question, why?

Here's my take on this. After daily driving my Z for the last 2 & 1/2 years, it has been trouble free and I really enjoy driving this car. For me, I can't figure out any other car that would be a better bang for my driving enjoyment buck than the Z.

Please keep in mind, I have unlimited access to a FRS and GTI anytime I want but Z key is the one always in my pocket. However in a couple of years, I can see other priorities in my life becoming more important than owning a Z. So it looks like a four seater may be in the cards for me and thus I would switch.

It's possible, like me, most owners enjoy their Z but their priorities made them choose a different vehicle.

mishuko · 12-17-2014, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Magic Bus

Here's my take on this. After daily driving my Z for the last 2 & 1/2 years, it has been trouble free and I really enjoy driving this car. For me, I can't figure out any other car that would be a better bang for my driving enjoyment buck than the Z.

Please keep in mind, I have unlimited access to a FRS and GTI anytime I want but Z key is the one always in my pocket. However in a couple of years, I can see other priorities in my life becoming more important than owning a Z. So it looks like a four seater may be in the cards for me and thus I would switch.

It's possible, like me, most owners enjoy their Z but their priorities made them choose a different vehicle.

LOL and then a kid like me who sees a killer deal because that mid-life crisis car is actually not that great for a family....

Magic Bus · 12-17-2014, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mishuko

LOL and then a kid like me who sees a killer deal because that mid-life crisis car is actually not that great for a family....

Come to Hawaii in about 2 years and a 13Z may be purchased for a good price

brucelidat · 12-17-2014, 06:13 PM

Why do people keep comparing the Z and gt-r in drag conversatios? The Z isn't a drag car. If you built a Z to 1000 hp, sure it could take a gt-r in a drag, but the gt-r will whip it in actual track performance. A super high power Z will never be a GT-R. There's nothing wrong with that. I just don't like people talking like the only thing that separates the 2 in performance is the HP difference. That all being said, I would rather have a boosted Z than a gt-r because it just looks so much better.

kenchan · 12-17-2014, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat

Why do people keep comparing the Z and gt-r in drag conversatios? The Z isn't a drag car. If you built a Z to 1000 hp, sure it could take a gt-r in a drag, but the gt-r will whip it in actual track performance. A super high power Z will never be a GT-R. There's nothing wrong with that. I just don't like people talking like the only thing that separates the 2 in performance is the HP difference. That all being said, I would rather have a boosted Z than a gt-r because it just looks so much better.

cause the nissan badge make them identical cars.

Magic Bus · 12-17-2014, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mishuko

LOL and then a kid like me who sees a killer deal because that mid-life crisis car is actually not that great for a family....

Actually past mid life crisis. A 4 seater will be more practical to shuttle aged parents to doctor, grocery store and pick up potential grand kids in the future.

jpkirk · 12-18-2014, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Magic Bus

Actually past mid life crisis. A 4 seater will be more practical to shuttle aged parents to doctor, grocery store and pick up potential grand kids in the future.

Sounds like it's time for two cars.

12-16-2014, 10:54 AM	#107 (permalink)
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njobe89 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2014 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 5,227 Drives: 2013 370z BS 6MT Rep Power: 174283	sometimes yelling is just fun that's about what i paid for my Z, close to 32 out the door with everything. i personally don't know anyone with a turbo Z, just by looking at some of the build threads it looks expensive. and i agree about the N/A part with you JARblue likes this. __________________ 2 plus 2 times 2 = ? ... hint, it's not 8 Stillen CBE, Stillen Gen 3, TP's, Uprev tuned - 324whp/264tq

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njobe89 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2014 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 5,227 Drives: 2013 370z BS 6MT Rep Power: 174283	i honestly would drive my 370z before a cayman, i'm not into them at all. Now a Carrera 4s, i'd be interested in, but also way out of my price range lol __________________ 2 plus 2 times 2 = ? ... hint, it's not 8 Stillen CBE, Stillen Gen 3, TP's, Uprev tuned - 324whp/264tq

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FuTuRe is Z Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: CT Posts: 263 Drives: 2014 370z Rep Power: 11	I think the reason why the % is lowest in the category (although it is above 66% which suggests that most people will rebuy it) is because the Z is at the price threshold where you can buy a boxter/cayman for a few grand more. Personally if my finances improve I could see myself getting into a Porsche as opposed to a Z. That doesn't imply that I dislike the Z, however.

12-17-2014, 06:13 PM	#117 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 30	Why do people keep comparing the Z and gt-r in drag conversatios? The Z isn't a drag car. If you built a Z to 1000 hp, sure it could take a gt-r in a drag, but the gt-r will whip it in actual track performance. A super high power Z will never be a GT-R. There's nothing wrong with that. I just don't like people talking like the only thing that separates the 2 in performance is the HP difference. That all being said, I would rather have a boosted Z than a gt-r because it just looks so much better. blackcherry20, jpkirk and njobe89 like this. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

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