If there was a nicely done VW (there are lots around my area), or any of the above, you would still hate it because it's a VW? :confused:

I've pretty much never seen a VW that appeals to me. The 1gb tsi/gsx eclipses talons are ok.and I doubt I'll ever see a smart car I like lol.

Here you go. This looks fun as hell... :rofl2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgwzHJo3IXM

Keep it coming we are trying to assemble 300 men!

So we can as Zartans declare war with SuBarbie and ToyoFaRtS!


http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7e938f4a.jpg

Count me in

Yeah I already knew somebody would post a busa smartcar. Still an ugly little car but with the busa it can outrun lambos lol

You want disrespect ? I don't even know what a BRZ/FRS is. Kind of like when people talk about the EVO or whatever that ugly 4 door thing with the big stupid Pep Boys wing on the trunk lid is. Those cars are so far below my radar so as to not register as serious sports cars.

Excellent :p

It's funny how hypocritical some people on here are. They hate on the frs/brz but hate being hated on by some of the Porsche people and the comparisons of the Z to the cayman.

Porsches are better in damn near every possible way. I don't understand how somebody could get mad about a fact.

It's a Z forum so excuse a few of us if we justify the Z over every single car out there. We wouldn't be on this site if we wasn't fan boys.

Porsches are deathtraps.

Lol your like the 4th person to say that on here this week. A rr platform car, if you push them to the edge and go over there is no coming back from it. On the other hand a fr platform is much easier to recover if you go past its limits. That's why people crash Porsches a lot.

I'm not a fanboy. I love my Z, but I'm not going to say it's better than a Cayman S. It may be a better value for your money than a Cayman S, but it is not better in any performance metrics. It might be better in looks ( I think so) but that is subjective.

No performance comparison.

Not true. I could have bought a Cayman or 911 over a Z.
Most people here could have.
Why didn't you?
1. Because Porsche engines are not known for their reliabality. Try to find a 911 or Cayman with over 100,000 miles. I ASSUME the Z can do 300,000 without issue.
2. Unless you go to new Cayman, the 06-09s have IMS failure issues. Good luck with that....
3. When I test drove one, the dealer started it up, and a big cloud of smoke came out of it. The things are honestly pieces of under-engineered ****. They're great the first 3 years. After that, throw it away or get a $6,000 extended warranty.
4. The Cayman looks like a girls car from a lot of angles.
5. The 911 is HUGE. The thing is as big as a minivan.

The evo is below your radar?

I wouldn't buy a cayaman or an 991 and Porsche motors aren't unreliable. Porsche has one of the lowest warranty claims per 100 vehicals out of any auto maker aside from Lexus from 2010-2014. So the only 911 that I can't think of that had an unreliable motor was the 964. And I didn't buy one because well I'm a z nut.

You didn't know? This is the new Nissan fan boy forum. True car enthusiasts do not exist here :icon14:

I wasn't saying everybody, I said their was a few of us. I don't see no harm in it honestly. Are their better cars then the Z? Sure.. is their a car I want over the 370z? Nope.

My comment wasn't directed towards you, just the forum in general. And I was messing around anyways :tup:

Im a member of the GT86 forum. Do not in any way say anything that even resembles competition from another car. Whether it be a 458, a Ford Transit Ecovan, and ESPECIALLY DO NOT, under ANY circumstances, mention the last letter of the alphabet. You WILL be banned immediately. Im on there for LULZ, and they GENUINELY believe they own and drive "the poor mans Ferrari". They compare it to a C7!!! They make "valid" arguments for that comparison!!! The ONLY thing about that car that I like, like mind you, is NOT good, its simply a like, is the handling. It doesnt handle well but its fun to handle. Oh and the looks, its nice, a gutluss-feckin-wonder nice, but nice.

I don't care what somebody else thinks about my car. If you think your car is better, maybe it is. I can live with that. All I care about is my smiles per gallon.

Very well said and comparisons such as this is inevitable, but meaningless. Very few buyers cross-shop Porsche and Nissan. The 991 is probably cost 3x the Z (new). Does it worth that much more? Well, who knows/cares because it is a meaningless comparison.

I think the most important thing is that people buy what they want for whatever reasons. No need to justify it.

As long as you know what your car can do and can not do, do not worry about it. Like everyone said, there is always gonna be fan boys. Obviously someone with a Corvette or Masarati wouldn't be comparing their cars to a lesser car. If they aren't dumb as a brick they would just not say anything.

The BRZ and FRS, is a nice car. From my understanding a long time ago the FRS was suppose to be the new Supra but obviously it was a rumor or changed, now it is suppose to be the new Corolla GTS (AE86) successor. If that is even true. The car has a nice body, great job in that part however, like FRS/BRZ owners say, it does not have enough horsepower. It runs somewhere in the 14's (seconds in the quarter mile). Sadly, my 1990 (25 years ago almost) CRX with only a b16a stock swap (Replica of Japan's CRX SiR stock) and some bolt ons, runs pretty close (14.76). 14 seconds isn't a big deal anymore. With that being said, I hear it does good in the corners though.

yah, if you're a "car guy" and have sat in a frs/brz and dont like the seating position, then there's something wrong with you... thing reminded me of a s2k and cayman a little bit.

I'll just leave this here. Much cooler than that yellow thing someone posted earlier.

http://www.scion.com/scionracing/wp-...-challenge.jpg

Amazeballs.

yah, that looks like a fun toy :tup: im liking that fender mirror too

lmao this whole thread is like a giant circle jerk.

But whatevs, 370Z > BRZ/FRS/GT86 any day.

I looked pretty closely at the FRS when I was in the market. it did handle quite nicely and when living between 3k and 6k on the tach the lack of power wasn't too bad. But when comparing it to the Z, I had to go Z. Mine was around 38K when it was new, I got it for 21K five years and 54,000 miles later. IMO the Z is just higher quality in basically every aspect and I got my Z for cheaper than any FRS that was on the market in my area. I didn't want to shoulder the depreciation of buying brand new.

But if some guy thinks his car is better than mine then that's fine with me, I'm happy and that's all that matters.

I have lurked around that forum a fair amount. It's so true, like i said before many of those guys are a bid delusional and overhype their cars. Some of their claims defy reality, specs and logic.

It is pretty funny when i read one member's claim that the lbs per hp on the gt86 is "very close" to the 370z. Yet another member claimed that by dropping 250lb the GT86 can hit high 13's (about a second faster then stock). Many other members claim that the GT86 can outturn many cars including Z and even beat them on the track, given it had enough twisties.

GT86 is a nice car though.

They are nice to look at, but the 370Z has MORE power. All I care about. Plus they are too small for my taste. Like fiat 500's but with a longer nose. Girl cars.

People have the same lack of power complaint about the 370Z, and rightfully so. In 03 the 350Z was putting out 287HP and that was ~10% higher than the 03 Mustang GT. From 04-08 the 350Z was pushed up to 306HP so it stayed close to the other cars in its class in power.

With the 370Z in 09 it was ahead of the Mustang GTs. But when the 11 GTs came out with the 412HP V8s and then bumping it to 420HP, the Z was left behind. Then the Camaros and Challengers came out and both offer more power than the Z. Even the Genesis can come with a NA V6 pushing out 348HP.

Needless to say the BRZ/FRS is below this tier of vehicles that the Z is in. But much like the Z owners compare their car to the performance of the lowest end Porsche, the BRZ/FRS owners compare their car to the sports car on the next price tier up. People just like to feel they got good value for the money spent, in my opinion.

So then why don't you have a 5.0?

Have you ever raced them at the drag strip? I smoke the challengers and beat the 5.0's often. The look on their face is priceless and I have only seen one BRZ there with a turbo setup. He wanted to race me and stated that he ran a 13.8 with it. He asked me what I was running and I told him my best time for the night was a 13.3. He shied away after that with no interest in running against my Z.

Yes but challengers weigh literally 2.2 tons and the mustang like 3800 or something like that that's a lot of fat *** to move around. They need the extra power.

Yep. Isn't an EVO that boxy looking 4 door with a wing about as high as the roof that I see people driving like they are extras in Fast & Furious ? Who makes it ? Subaru or Mitsubishi ?

Yes and mitsubishi

From everything I have read, the 5.0 should be faster than our Zs in the 1/4 mile. What were their trap speeds compared to yours?

The coyote 5.0s should beat the 370z in a straight line I think they run 5 sec 0-60