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All we can go off is what Nissan has let leak out.
The base sounds like it will be around 50k and probably won't be worth it cause the turbo four hybrid drivetrain will most likely have similar power levels to our Z34's with more torque from the hybrid system. Now the v6 turbo hybrid for 60k should be more than capable of 400+ Hp/Tq that may very well be worth it's higher price.

If you want a cheap powerful Rwd import start praying that Hyundai puts there 5.0 V8 in the genesis coupe.

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if that's true, i think that it will come to bite them in the ***... thought to self, i need to find a sugar momma by 2016 lol

For what it's worth, my Genesis forum has talk of the V8 in the 2016/17 coupe. Market research done by Car and Driver have Hyundai a 20% chance to have a "0 to 60 mph under 4 second coupe in the market for $40k"

Off topic, but do you think Hyundai will spin off 'Genesis' as it's luxury marque?

Yes, all sources point to that. Much like the rumors with the Z going "upmarket". They discontinued the 2.0 version as of '14 and just focusing on the current 3.8/3.3 turbo/V8 for the "high end luxury" coupe.

I just could never buy a Hyundai. Too ugly IMO.

Interesting. Guess we'll see. If they do, I guess it'll be the first Korean luxury brand in the US. Stupid Americans, but I guess it's the reason why we have Lexus and Infiniti.

wat do you mean by this?

I was confused by his post as well.

I think b15 is referring to the fact that Infiniti is not even a brand sold in Japan. It was created for the status concious American market. In Japan, all Nissan cars is just that, Nissan's.

Lexus was the same but changed a number of years back and now a Lexus can be purchased in Japan.

I mean the reason why exists was because Americans care about status. For many people, the badge/prestige is an important part of car ownership. To some that's all that matters. When the same product is badged differently and has different marketing to target the desired demographic (those who are 'too good' for the mainstream brands), now people all of a sudden see it in a different light. It's about status. To the average (dumb) American, 'Infiniti' is more luxurious than a Nissan, even though until recently Infiniti's wore the Nissan badge outside the US. For example, take the V36. In the US it's the Infiniti G35 sedan and the rest of the world a Nissan Skyline. Put these two identical cars in front of an American and guaranteed they'll think the Infiniti is better, because that's what they've been trained to think.

Obviously as the marques have developed, the manufacturers have started to differentiate the mainstream brand more from the luxury brand, but when they were first created, they were merely dressed up versions of the mainstream vehicle sold elsewhere in the world with different marketing.

Just like people state they could 'never pay $50k' for a Hyundai.....market it as a Genesis without mention of Hyundai, and the idiots will come. Heck there's a reason why the Hyundai logo is not on any of their luxury cars....

oh ok, that makes sense. americans fooling their own kind, kinda.

The new Genesis sedan is gorgeous. The exterior styling is unique and elegant. The prior (1st gen) was aight but was an amalgamation of Mercedes, Infiniti, Lexus, BMW, etc.

From a Forbes article, Hyundai states that it won't pull the Toyota-to-Lexus, Nissan-to-Infiniti, Honda-to-Acura, VW-to-Audi, etc. move because it realizes that Americans remember Hyundai as being shoddy, cheap POS cars bitd. Toyota never suffered from a POS car reputation; budget car yes, low quality car, no. Plus, Hyundai states that the marketing and other costs (building the buildings for an upscale Hyundai brand) are too enormous...It's Hyundai's contrition, if you will. I think it's an honest way to regain Americans' trust of this brand.

I understand I've been brainwashed to think if Hyundai as always being a cheap car and I can admit it. However, that car is ugly to me.

thing about their cars is that they look like a euro-japanese car mix.
i rather just spend the money and get the real thing.

1.03^24=2.03; let's just say double.

$35,000 (MSRP Z32 TT in 1990) x 2 = $70,000

They were paying $70,000 in 1990 dollars. Speak for yourself. People will pay $60K+ for the next Z, in 2015/6, if it delivers.

As of 2013 Infiniti brand has been sold in Japan and has been in many other countries other than US for years.

Lexus has been in many countries for years and has separate operating units design centers etc.

Far more than rebranded Toyota and Nissans . Successful strategy for both nissan and Toyota parent companies as well.

So anyways....what other speculations do we have for the Z35? Man I would really love to see a Nissan vs Toyota sports car rivalry again like in the 90s

Yes key word.....now. When they were introduced (for the American market) that was not the story. Americans ate up the new marketing like flies on sh*t and the cars then were very much rebranded Toyotas and Nissans. I agree it is a very smart strategy which has led to what we have today.

So may be a stupid question but since we know we are getting a Hybrid setup likely from infinity does anyone here know how modding and tuning something like that is like.


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Americans love Hyundai's. Last time I checked this country is the biggest purchaser of Hyundais outside of S Korea.

I remember when I first came to America back in 2007, I was like WTF is with all the Sonatas and shite on the road. I couldnt come to terms with it at the time.

I never recall ever seeing an Acura in Europe when I lived there. Its all just Honda. Even the NSX was a Honda NSX.

I hear you Shamu and we're splitting hairs here. Infiniti has been introduced in Japan in 2013 but the first vehicle badged as an Infiniti was sold this year. But it was sold through a Nissan outlet.

I apologize as I said Lexus started several years back but I wasn't trying to be super technical. I knew it started back in 2005 in Japan.

It was just a quick post attempting to explain b15's post, about status conscious Americans. And yes, you are totally correct, it's a very successful strategy for both.

I'd argue that Hyundai has a more exciting lineup than Acura does right now. You couldn't say that 10 years ago.

All Hyundais come with an extra large fries and soft drink for only 85 cents more, so...

Well yeah but to be fair, Acura's lineup is awful. They have an upscale Civic, an outdated upscale Accord, a couple of ginormous boats, a few SUV's... :yawn:

A lot of this thinking is because America for a long time dealt only with the Big 3; GM, Ford, and Chrysler, all of which had multiple brands that were acquired over the years and then turned into the brand tiers that we are all familiar with. The low level/economy market (Chevy, Ford, Plymouth), the mid tiers (Buick, Mercury, Dodge), and the up-scale tiers (Cadillac, Lincoln, and Chrysler) all allowed them to hit each market segment and still ultimately pick up the money. Then the other countries show up, and find themselves facing competition on almost every level. Is it truly such a surprise that they would inevitably decide that if it works, why not try it?

What is funny though is your thought that only American's feel this way. A number of European companies also practice this logic within their own bases. Audi, for example, is used by Volkswagen as their up-scale, snob level brand. And, while perhaps a more extreme example, Maybach is used by Mercedes as their super up-scale Rolls Royce competitor. Even Italian Fiat does this, using Alfa Romeo and Lancia (and getting their little cut from Ferrari) to hit the higher markets while keeping their house brand at more wallet-friendly levels. One can argue that they got this attitude from the "Americans", but the fact of the matter is that it works in other countries as well. It doesn't matter as much in Japan, simply because the Japanese don't care as much about a car's name as they do about it's performance.

Well-debated on both sides of the spectrum. Bit this point is inarguable.

Yeah, Europeans don't care about status. Serfs and knights and kings and all that crap is just some made-up stuff that they lied to you about when you were a kid. :ugh2:

not much difference between a king and the president here... obama does whatever he wants here much like kings did/do. until the people get tired and then overthrow them. lol

Where does the "people that are sick of this king shit" line start?!?

More executive orders than ALL other presidents combined, spent more money than ALL other presidents combined....The list just goes on and on, not to mention the man HATES the fuck out of America.

Up until Hyundai's recent models, I wasn't really a fan either. About 20 years ago their cars were worthless than scrap metal. I still remember my uncle's Excel that I swear I could rip apart with a butter knife. 10 years ago, their styling was terrible, but build quality was on par with some American cars. With the market collapse, people in the US started buying them because they were relatively less expensive than their counterparts and they offered a lengthy warranty compared to others (5-year bumper-to-bumper with a 10-year powertrain). That's a huge plus for most consumers. People who just needed a car to get them from A to B swallowed them up and the rest is history. This is pretty much how Nissan and Toyota gained footing in the 80's and 90's.

Word of mouth just started to spread and most of their line-up surprisingly started becoming more reliable. About 4-5 years ago, I think they really up'd the ante and came out with bolder styling and better build quality. My wife had an '04 Santa-fe which we just traded in for a new Tucson. I gotta say, I'm truly impressed with the overall improvement in build quality over her old car. It's night and day and I would honestly consider placing Hyundai on the list of companies if I were buying a new car now. I sat in a new Sonata & Santa-Fe Sport in the dealership and it was a lot nicer than what Nissan, Toyota, Mazda or Honda has to offer so far. The Genesis Coupe is still meh...but it looks like they're at least headed in the right direction. Only issue will all this is pricing. Hyundai is no longer the cheap/bargain alternative. It's definitely more in-line with other companies now and the price points show it.

The badging is used by companies to charge higher premiums for certain cars. It makes sense in the US because of the way our cars are priced. Some companies like Toyota for example, have models that overlap if they didn't separate from Lexus. Rather than cannibalizing sales from one model to another, it makes more sense to have a standalone company that offers more of a niche luxury market. This can be beneficial to companies with a large model portfolio. It also has a lot to do with being able to create costly dealerships outlets. It's why Hyundai is still on the fence about separating it's Genesis line-up. With only a 3 or so models so far, it doesn't bode well on the logistics side to construct a new network of dealerships. In the UK, the market is significantly different. They frankly have different taste when it comes to cars and more often flock to smaller cars. Luxury brands are a bit more difficult to introduce in the UK especially when you have established brands with better pedigree right next door.

Just a reminder. Read the forum rules.:tiphat:

^I always thought Lark Voorhees aka Lisa Turtle was the hottest of them all.

But the Toyota, Nissan thing you wrote, I disagree with. I don't think Japanese cars ever suffered a POS car reputation in the U.S. I think their windfall was the 1970s oil crisis when people drove 8 mpg Detroit metal, and when gas prices were like 40 cents a gallon or something. Then the oil crisis happened, people with certain numbers or letters in their license plates go to visit gas stations on certain days. People in Detroit literally got baseball bats and smashed Toyotas and Hondas, blaming them for being laid off the plants...Hyundai's windfall on the other hand was due to the financial crisis i.e. 2008.

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Down south where I live people still think nissan's are POS cars, it drives me crazy. Not nearly as bad as it used to be though.


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^I never thought Nissan, Honda, Toyota, or Mazda were POS for Japanese cars. I've always held the impression that Japanese cars were durable. Mitsubishi, definitely garbage. The Japanese cars built here, Canada or Mexico...we'll see.

I see threads where certain members complain that their 370 is falling apart (ignition lock; engine burning/losing oil then blowing up; etc.) . Never happened to me when I had mine; I guess I walked through the raindrops.

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I to have always thought very highly of Nissan but I also grew up in CT and now live in Texas. American cars are king down here i don't know that will ever change .


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I can speak very confidently about the IS and RX's from Lexus... amazing build and they don't die just like their parent company's car.

I'm writing from my phone otherwise would have clipped this. What you say about is bang on. I agree about the looks too. Though tbe rear of the 3.8 is sexy as hell IMO. The Z is the hands down looker. But up until you really drive a 3.8, especially the two top models, GT and Ultimate, it really is quite the package. No, it doesn't have quite the performance of the Z, I wondered if I'd miss that selling my 370 for the 3.8. I don't. It has 95% of the performance (I'd argue mid range the 3.8 would put a hurting on a 6 speed though), for the same price I got my base 2013 with sport, I got a 3.8 decked out in all the tech, leather and goodies you could want for slightly less than I paid for the Z. It's a fantastic Touring/commute car. I do miss the Z a little. Mostly the looks but the fit and finish inside is IMO above Nissans. They've come A LONG way in a short time and will only get better.