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Firebase99 08-14-2014 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by watson853 (Post 2930674)
A member on here says he talked to an engineer at zday 2014 and we can expect a 2017 nismo rs with stock forced induction to send the 370z out with bang. Any bets that's gonna be a close to 50,000 dollar nismo lol... Just sayen

Close?? An FI 2017 NISMO? id say $55K. hell, they are about $43K now. Throw on a snail and 3 years....

watson853 08-14-2014 11:12 AM

More info on the next 370Z
 
The member on here I think his name was Huck mentioned they were thinking of a super charger for the 2017 nismo rs not a turbo. I hope they go turbo!

UNKNOWN_370 08-14-2014 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Limeybastard (Post 2930273)
Am I the only one thinking Nissan doesnt care about teh Z anymore? Like someone mentioned earlier that fella Carlos Ghosm or whatever hes called is all about making money. Budget cars are Nissans bread and butter revenue maker right? In this day and age pushing the same model/ platform for 5 years when the competition is now overtaking you in technology and power something is a miss? I remember back in the 80s and 90s the germans would not change their car shape for almost sometimes 7+ years. In this day and age the 370z platform has been around forever. I guess some would see that as it being a success. Some others would see it as no forward thinking vision nor keeping up with the competition.


I think some of you are overthinking thisCarlos Ghosn Nissan restructurization. Nissan started with the bread and butter cars on design overhauls. then the restructure the SUV/crossover market. while doing this, the Z got small updates and price restructuring.


It feels to me its taking long for the Z to come out because of the way they are systematically restructuring. Also, they don't want to make the same marketing and pricing mistakes that they made with the Z 34. they want to build Nismo name into something more meaningful than just badgesand appearance mods with minor tunes. restructuring a sport car segment is much more difficult then the bread and butter cars.

Have patience and give nissan a chance to show and prove. I think we will be happier with the Z35 than with the current 34.

:tup:

Limeybastard 08-14-2014 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2930749)
I think some of you are overthinking thisCarlos Ghosn Nissan restructurization. Nissan started with the bread and butter cars on design overhauls. then the restructure the SUV/crossover market. while doing this, the Z got small updates and price restructuring.


It feels to me its taking long for the Z to come out because of the way they are systematically restructuring. Also, they don't want to make the same marketing and pricing mistakes that they made with the Z 34. they want to build Nismo name into something more meaningful than just badgesand appearance mods with minor tunes. restructuring a sport car segment is much more difficult then the bread and butter cars.

Have patience and give nissan a chance to show and prove. I think we will be happier with the Z35 than with the current 34.

:tup:


I am not sure about the bold comments above. After all didnt we get posts of nearly all Nissan models being tarted up with Nismo aerostyling and interior lately? To me this indicates them merely milking their current vehicles and not really caring about the true meaning or performance orientations of a Nismo and what it should at least stands for. In essence I think Nissan made their statement showing that Nismo is nothing more than a badge and extra income potential for them.

watson853 08-14-2014 01:09 PM

Off topic here is the New FT-1 teaser. There is no way this car is gonna be cheap...

http://carbuzz.com/news/2014/8/14/To...ncept-7722015/

Firebase99 08-14-2014 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by watson853 (Post 2930863)
Off topic here is the New FT-1 teaser. There is no way this car is gonna be cheap...

Toyota Reveals FT-1 Graphite Concept

Damn!!! So much LFA in there.

njobe89 08-14-2014 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by watson853 (Post 2930863)
Off topic here is the New FT-1 teaser. There is no way this car is gonna be cheap...

Toyota Reveals FT-1 Graphite Concept

:yum:

murphman 08-14-2014 02:50 PM

Now... I'd pay 60k for that but there is no way that thing will be close to 60k.

watson853 08-14-2014 03:29 PM

With the power figures they announced for the FT-1 they can't go much past 60K IMO. Looks only go so far and around 400 HP isn't enough for me to justify 60,000+

zeeder 08-14-2014 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by watson853 (Post 2931074)
With the power figures they announced for the FT-1 they can't go much past 60K IMO. Looks only go so far and around 400 HP isn't enough for me to justify 60,000+

The new C7 is only 460 HP and it doesn't take much to get to $60K and the Porsche Cayman S is 325 HP and starts above $60K!

murphman 08-14-2014 03:46 PM

the HP alone might not warrant 60k+ but those looks and the tech that will go into that thing I see 80K easy. I mean look at the steering wheel it has some LED screen in it, retractable rear spoiler. The spoiler alone looks like a 5-10k option over a fixed one.

watson853 08-14-2014 03:49 PM

More info on the next 370Z
 
They can deff charge more but I'll take that C7 over it anyday as a car I wanna own. Naturally aspirated reliability compared to the FT-1's two electric motors and turbo 4 along with some super capacitor setup. Cars beautiful but sounds like it gets shipped to nasa when it breaks down.

Virtual 08-14-2014 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by watson853 (Post 2931089)
They can deff charge more but I'll take that C7 over it anyday as a car I wanna own. Naturally aspirated reliability compared to the FT-1's two electric motors and turbo 4 along with some super capacitor setup. Cars beautiful but sounds like it gets shipped to nasa when it breaks down.

only :superghey: people from long island buy corvettes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=/_92ubnlRGW0 jk

Virtual 08-14-2014 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2930749)
Have patience and give nissan a chance to show and prove. I think we will be happier with the Z35 than with the current 34.

:tup:

Nissan never disappoints with their sports cars. I think nissan is underrated when it comes to this. This is the company that was behind all the Z's, the skylines,180,240's and the GTR. The R34 is paul walker approved yo :driving:. So the z35 will no doubt be a beast.

Limeybastard 08-14-2014 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 2930883)
Damn!!! So much LFA in there.


Blatant copy of a TVR and Furai rolled into one.

http://static.cargurus.com/images/si...pic-60588.jpeg

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...aRVQj_Tw9j0rBA

watson853 08-14-2014 07:16 PM

More info on the next 370Z
 
How can you blatantly copy two completely different cars at once? Sure there is similarity's but honestly I think the FT-1 looks as good if not better than both of those.

Dirk McGurck 08-14-2014 07:46 PM

The Mazda Furai is one hot car.

Limeybastard 08-14-2014 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirk McGurck (Post 2931273)
The Mazda Furai is one hot car.

Was apparantly too hot.:roflpuke2:

UNKNOWN_370 08-15-2014 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Limeybastard (Post 2930829)
I am not sure about the bold comments above. After all didnt we get posts of nearly all Nissan models being tarted up with Nismo aerostyling and interior lately? To me this indicates them merely milking their current vehicles and not really caring about the true meaning or performance orientations of a Nismo and what it should at least stands for. In essence I think Nissan made their statement showing that Nismo is nothing more than a badge and extra income potential for them.

I couldn't agree because it's way too soon to make that analysis in my opinion. There's only 2 new brand Nismo's. The Juke Nismo and Nismo RS which is considered the best handling CUV in it's class and the 2015 Z34 Nismo. The major upgrade aside from seats and bodystyle is a suspension tweak for improved track performance. And we have no data to ascertain whether the tune will improve performance. A good suspension tweak can shave seconds of a track time without a power bump. Remember, the lifespan of the Z34 is short now. If the 34 moves around the track quicker on a suspension tune only? It will be a sign for things to come in the 35.

The Nismo is also getting an automatic with improved gear ratios. This is another method to improve acceleration performance without boosting power.

I think the Juke Nismo proved itself for what it is... A compact FWD/AWD CUV for $27k'ish nicely equipped. I'll reserve my opinions on the current 34 Nismo till it's reviewed but... My prediction is this Nismo will be a moderate but significant step on a long road of improvements over the next 3 or 4 years.

Firebase99 08-15-2014 12:47 PM

And here

we

go!!

Report: Nissan Z35 Will Have Retractable Top, Hybrid Drivetrain

Firebase99 08-15-2014 12:49 PM

The Nissan Z has always been regarded as a capable and sport-bred performance car, but the next-generation car will shift its strategy slightly to stand apart from other performance nameplates. According to a recent report from our colleagues at Motor Trend, the upcoming Nissan “Z35” will go in a new direction that will bring changes such as a hybrid drivetrain, a retractable targa or T-bar top, a 2+2 passenger layout, and an elevated STICKER PRICE.
Motor Trend reports that the Nissan Z35 product planners perceive the current sports car as “lacking street cred,” and these strategy shifts will give buyers a reason to give Nissan the nod over other performance models like the AUDI TT, Porsche Boxster, and BMW Z4 (or future BMW Z5).


While the current Nissan 370Z (pictured) uses a powerful 332-hp naturally aspirated V-6, the word is that the next Nissan Z35 sports car go the way of the future and switch to a smaller turbocharged four-cylinder engine and hybrid-electric power. The gas engine in question is the Mercedes-Benz turbocharged, 2.0-liter four-cylinder gas engine, making 208 hp and 258 lb-ft of torque, which is currently at work in the Mercedes-Benz CLA250 and Japan’s Nissan Skyline 250GT (known here as THE INFINITI Q50). Another version of the Skyline, the 350GT hybrid, combines Nissan’s 3.5-liter V-6 with an electric motor for a total of 359 hp and either front- or all-wheel-drive. The Nissan Z35 hybrid system would be a parallel system, positioning the electric motor between the engine and transmission. At the top of the Nissan Z35 line would sit a 329-hp V-6 model.
Nissan and Mercedes-Benz have been collaborating on engine development at a shared Decherd, Tennessee assembly plant as well as a new joint manufacturing facility in Aguascalientes, Mexico. Currently under construction, the Mexican factory is planned to build vehicles for both INFINITI and Mercedes-Benz in 2017 and 2018, respectively. The Nissan Z35 retractable-top hybrid sports car is predicted to premiere in early 2018 with a starting price between $50,000 and $60,000.

KaienZ34 08-15-2014 12:56 PM

NNNNNNNNNNNOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 2+2 not again......

Firebase99 08-15-2014 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by KaienZ34 (Post 2932046)
NNNNNNNNNNNOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 2+2 not again......

Just like my 350HP 3.8 Gencoupe that I never and will never use. lol. I was hoping for 420HP in this....If true, Im underwhelmed. Much like I was with the Z34, bought one anyway but yea...lol

Virtual 08-15-2014 01:33 PM

yea I dont like 2+2, the main reason I'm even interested in a 370 is cause it only has 2 seats. Tired of hauling people around

Tick64 08-15-2014 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 2932024)

:icon08: :icon14: :wtf: :facepalm: :shakes head:

14ZTSport 08-15-2014 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Virtual (Post 2932172)
yea I dont like 2+2, the main reason I'm even interested in a 370 is cause it only has 2 seats. Tired of hauling people around

Lol, I had back to back mustang GT's before trading for the Z. Both had back "seats". NO ONE ever asked to climb back there a second time :happydance:

But it SHOULD knock the insurance down a bit! :tup:

Tick64 08-15-2014 01:43 PM

Actually, now that I think of it, how can the "...top of the Nissan Z35 line would sit a 329-hp V6 model"??? The base model NOW is 332-hp V6. It will be LOSING hp in a V6? That can't be right.

watson853 08-15-2014 02:07 PM

Starting price of 50-60k even I didn't think it would start that high.

watson853 08-15-2014 02:09 PM

More info on the next 370Z
 
That mid engined s2000 is sounding pretty good right about now.

I really hope this isn't true. First they say the 370z lacks street cred so there answer is less hp, back seats, and a hard top convertible.

NeoRacer 08-15-2014 02:35 PM

For 400hp? You bet it would

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Originally Posted by watson853 (Post 2932275)
Starting price of 50-60k even I didn't think it would start that high.


KaienZ34 08-15-2014 02:58 PM

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b15 08-15-2014 03:23 PM

Seems like hybrid drive trains are the future of sports cars. Great concept for instant torque, but I'd like to see how they hold up to some hard driving first.

Also given the Z's following and the massive amount of money members spend to go FI, I don't see an issue with a $50k Z if the power/handling/looks are inline. It's a niche car so it'll get exponentially more expensive as the performance increases. If it were sold in masses like the Corvette, it'd be a different story. I would personally buy one if it's a great out of the box package vs going turbo on an NA engine + supporting mods. The end result would cost about the same too. I don't understand what this obsession with $30k is. Yes, the Z was originally introduced as a budget friendly sports car, but that same reasoning will prevent the Z from evolving.

Also keep in mind Nissan's financial troubles when the 300zx was discontinued. They were on the verge of bankruptcy. Yes it was pricey for it's time, but it was also ahead of it's time and gave many cars a run for their money. This is what I think Nissan needs to return the Z to. Not a cost cutting $30k sports car. If Honda brings the S2000 back and Toyota the FT-1, this Z35 will fit right in. I would love to see the return of competitive Japanese sports cars.

Firebase99 08-15-2014 03:48 PM

If that's really the starting price for the most powerful version, and I'm in the market to spend $55k, not that I couldn't but at that price I'd rather be in a C7, Alfa 4C. The thing better be DAZZLING!!

Firebase99 08-15-2014 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by b15 (Post 2932353)
Seems like hybrid drive trains are the future of sports cars. Great concept for instant torque, but I'd like to see how they hold up to some hard driving first.

Also given the Z's following and the massive amount of money members spend to go FI, I don't see an issue with a $50k Z if the power/handling/looks are inline. It's a niche car so it'll get exponentially more expensive as the performance increases. If it were sold in masses like the Corvette, it'd be a different story. I would personally buy one if it's a great out of the box package vs going turbo on an NA engine + supporting mods. The end result would cost about the same too. I don't understand what this obsession with $30k is. Yes, the Z was originally introduced as a budget friendly sports car, but that same reasoning will prevent the Z from evolving.

Also keep in mind Nissan's financial troubles when the 300zx was discontinued. They were on the verge of bankruptcy. Yes it was pricey for it's time, but it was also ahead of it's time and gave many cars a run for their money. This is what I think Nissan needs to return the Z to. Not a cost cutting $30k sports car. If Honda brings the S2000 back and Toyota the FT-1, this Z35 will fit right in. I would love to see the return of competitive Japanese sports cars.

When 300 debuted it gave a 911 a good run, the 350 did the same with against the Boxster, hell, the 350 smoked a base Boxster, the 370 went toe to toe with the cayman S, if they do make magic at that price point it better have a 911 S on the ropes.

watson853 08-15-2014 03:58 PM

Couldn't agree with you more b15. I'm all for a more capable more expensive Z but the power numbers this guy wrote about not even coming close to 400hp is a deal breaker at the 50-60k range. To many more capable and proven options.

Tick64 08-15-2014 04:08 PM

A 2018 premiere (if accurate) is pretty far away. I'll hold off on getting too bent out of shape on the numbers until Nissan releases some concrete info closer to the release date. I'm hoping it will be impressive.

b15 08-15-2014 04:19 PM

Agreed. I think with the recent Nismo refresh, the Z34 will be around for at least another two years.

Firebase99 08-15-2014 04:50 PM

Well you know what? My handle on the Genesis forum is "GettingOld", yep mid 30's. I sold a '13 370 6mt sport for a '14 3.8 Grand Touring 8 speed auto. I realized after owning the Z for like 10 months it wasn't all about speed for me. At this current point in life. I wanted all the bells and whistles, leather, tech, comfort and power for less than $35k. If I chose I could have bought an M4, money wasn't an issue (within upper middle class reality with a wife and no kids). Between saving, lifestyle and doing other things than buying cars, I sold it for for the 3.8 GT. Going to Greece, going on a cruise, looking at a new house, that's where my other money is going. What I'm saying is I LOVE my 3.8 right now, rumors like the Z swell about this model too. I dunno if I'll get in a new Z for $50k plus considering what Hyundai offers now, not to mention what they'll be offering in four years. Priorities and bang for buck...I'm getting old.

watson853 08-15-2014 05:01 PM

I never here much about the 3.8GT how is the 8 speed auto on it. Does it feel as fast as your old Z.

Firebase99 08-15-2014 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by watson853 (Post 2932450)
I never here much about the 3.8GT how is the 8 speed auto on it. Does it feel as fast as your old Z.

Well it's a lot more relaxed, more comfortable, all the tech, baseball leather, stitching, moonroof, nav, everything. It's definitely a GT, it's NOT A sports car, in any version IMO. It's way too heavy. It's definitely slower off the line. Not by too much, it's in the mid 5 to 60 and 13.8 quarter. Handling...no comparison, Z destroys it in the curves. It's not BAD, not like a feckin Lincoln but it's no Z. Though at speed, with the 8 speed auto in Sport mode, say 35+ mph, it's definitely faster than my 6 speed z. It suits me in the high traffic at 530 am driving to work. On the highway it's a great machine, passing power is amazing!!

I'm not *****ing you at speed it's QUICK. I nail it as often as possible, gear down with the paddle and hold the feck on!! I need better tires cuz the all season will put you in a wall when you put the hammer down at that speed. Need a lot of room. But fun as all hell.


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