First time pulled over in the Z

DLSTR · 02-16-2014, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Super Werty

Well it happened tonight after only 6 months of owning the Z.

I was driving home at 7pm minding my own business, driving like a sane person and going the speed limit. Traffic is about a 6 out of 10, so not too crazy.

I make a turn onto a 3 lane road and suddenly some jerk in a truck is behind me with his brights on. So I hit the blinker and changed lanes. He matches my lane change and gets closer...real close! Like right on my bumper. Now Im practically being blinded.

So I changed back to my original lane and he matches again....I changed lanes 5 times in 3 miles and this jerk is right on me. I was actually starting to get worried this person was actually going to follow me home.

Then he turns on his red and blue lights....

I pulled over immediately and he walks up to my window and asks for my license. I handed it to him and said "you know I was changing lanes because your brights were on and I was being blinded" by the way he was driving a Chevy Tahoe and my Z is lowered.

He says "yea but you cant change lanes that quickly"

I said "sir, again you were blinding me and following me"

He says nothing and asks for my registration and insurance...walks back to truck.

As he is taking my info a huge car accident happens about 200 yards behind us. He walks up gives me a warning and say "if we catch you changing lanes like that again we will give you a ticket. Doesnt matter if you use your indicators or not"

I said "ok" and he speeds off to go back to the crash behind us.

lol. Im glad I didnt get any ticket but what total BS reason to pull someone over. Im going the speed limit, using indicators, and changing lanes normally..what else do you want?! 90% of people on the road cant even do that, and he singles me out. end rant

He would lose in court.Did you get his badge number and talk to the District Attorney?? Id like to see what is codified in your state about lane changing. No judge would let a ticket stand if you are not speeding and simply change lanes. If thats all the officer has he has NO CASE. He basically forced you to avoid him at speed. He never early on, showed he was law enforcement. Harrassment plain and simple. I bet you will find him on the same road again. Id get his badge and file a complaint. I wouldnt at all be surprised he has other complaints. People are creatures of habit. He is no different. Law enforcement gets my full respect but if this is true he needs some serious retraining. NO excuse.

1325 · 02-16-2014, 07:50 AM

Well you've all seem as if you've been exposed to the bad apples which in turn, make the rest look just as bad. I can give insight as to why some (including myself) follow closely for brief (or extended) amount of time especially during night time when it's that much harder to see license plate numbers. 0's look like Q's, D's look like 0's, etc. If I don't have probable cause, I don't have it and I move on. No way I'd ever make something up to jeopardize public trust.

As far as changing lanes fast, every state/country is different so I can't speak for all of them, but the way I see it is that if you're doing no harm, I don't foresee an issue. Definitely don't recommended on busy roads, though. Just be careful on the roadways because it doesn't have to be you driving recklessly, but the inattentive, distracted momo beside you.

Leadfoot · 02-19-2014, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR

He would lose in court.Did you get his badge number and talk to the District Attorney?? Id like to see what is codified in your state about lane changing. No judge would let a ticket stand if you are not speeding and simply change lanes. If thats all the officer has he has NO CASE. He basically forced you to avoid him at speed. He never early on, showed he was law enforcement. Harrassment plain and simple. I bet you will find him on the same road again. Id get his badge and file a complaint. I wouldnt at all be surprised he has other complaints. People are creatures of habit. He is no different. Law enforcement gets my full respect but if this is true he needs some serious retraining. NO excuse.

What scares me about court is when the judge sees what type of vehicle the forum member was driving and automatically assumes the officer was right due to the fact the vehicle is a high performance sports car. That is what i will probably have to deal with in my trial for speeding.

Got_Z · 02-19-2014, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR

He would lose in court.Did you get his badge number and talk to the District Attorney?? Id like to see what is codified in your state about lane changing. No judge would let a ticket stand if you are not speeding and simply change lanes. If thats all the officer has he has NO CASE. He basically forced you to avoid him at speed. He never early on, showed he was law enforcement. Harrassment plain and simple. I bet you will find him on the same road again. Id get his badge and file a complaint. I wouldnt at all be surprised he has other complaints. People are creatures of habit. He is no different. Law enforcement gets my full respect but if this is true he needs some serious retraining. NO excuse.

Doesn't matter if he would lose or win in court. Cops aren't concerned with the end result. They just have to meet their quotas. I once received a ticket for going 63 on a 60. Got dismissed immediately in court.

-M-

1325 · 02-19-2014, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Got_Z

Doesn't matter if he would lose or win in court. Cops aren't concerned with the end result. They just have to meet their quotas. I once received a ticket for going 63 on a 60. Got dismissed immediately in court.

-M-

Common misconception. Not for nothing, but quotas are illegal. Besides, whether one citation or a hundred are issued in a month, the paycheck is still the same.

Z1NONLY · 02-20-2014, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 1325

Common misconception. Not for nothing, but quotas are illegal. Besides, whether one citation or a hundred are issued in a month, the paycheck is still the same.

It's illegal when they get caught, yes...

L.A. approves $6-million settlement over alleged traffic ticket quotas
L.A. approves $6-million settlement over alleged traffic ticket quotas - Los Angeles Times

Stossel: Alabama Cop Fired For Recording His Sgt. Ordering Ticket Quota "The Police State" 8/15/2013 - YouTube

But there are ways to keep people in line:
Cop Fired for Speaking Out Against Ticket and Arrest Quotas
Cop Fired for Speaking Out Against Ticket and Arrest Quotas - Reason.com

Do police have quotas

New York Post reported Monday that two city police sergeants have testified they were ordered to meet a quota.
NYC cops reportedly confirm ticket quotas - US news | NBC News

They can call them "performance standards" or whatever, and tie them to overtime and promotions, so they can effect pay and skirt the legality issues.

ABC15 Exclusive Investigation: Do DPS officers have to meet traffic ticket and arrest quotas? - Story

We asked DPS about what appears to be quotas set out in the memo.

Arizona DPS Spokesperson Officer Tim Case insists they are not quotas.

"We don't have quotas here," Case said.

Officer Case calls the requirements performance standards and says that it's just a way the department has to make sure officers are doing their jobs.

http://www.copssoundoff.com/is-there...vity-standards

The Emperor has no clothes.

Leadfoot · 02-20-2014, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z1NONLY

It's illegal when they get caught, yes...

L.A. approves $6-million settlement over alleged traffic ticket quotas
L.A. approves $6-million settlement over alleged traffic ticket quotas - Los Angeles Times

Stossel: Alabama Cop Fired For Recording His Sgt. Ordering Ticket Quota "The Police State" 8/15/2013 - YouTube

But there are ways to keep people in line:
Cop Fired for Speaking Out Against Ticket and Arrest Quotas
Cop Fired for Speaking Out Against Ticket and Arrest Quotas - Reason.com

Do police have quotas

New York Post reported Monday that two city police sergeants have testified they were ordered to meet a quota.
NYC cops reportedly confirm ticket quotas - US news | NBC News

They can call them "performance standards" or whatever, and tie them to overtime and promotions, so they can effect pay and skirt the legality issues.

ABC15 Exclusive Investigation: Do DPS officers have to meet traffic ticket and arrest quotas? - Story

We asked DPS about what appears to be quotas set out in the memo.

Arizona DPS Spokesperson Officer Tim Case insists they are not quotas.

"We don't have quotas here," Case said.

Officer Case calls the requirements performance standards and says that it's just a way the department has to make sure officers are doing their jobs.

Is there a difference between Quotas and "Productivity Standards?"

The Emperor has no clothes.

Thank You!

Wonka2581 · 02-20-2014, 08:02 PM

It does not matter how many times you change lanes. its all in the matter of how you change lanes. I.E. speed, cutting off other vehicles, useing your blinker. I was an *** and was looking for a reason to pull you over. D**** like that give me and other fellow good cops a bad name...

Infidel · 02-20-2014, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Wonka2581

It does not matter how many times you change lanes. its all in the matter of how you change lanes. I.E. speed, cutting off other vehicles, useing your blinker. I was an *** and was looking for a reason to pull you over. D**** like that give me and other fellow good cops a bad name...

Since there is a huge amount of people that have some king of warrant on them LE will pull over a car when there is a "violation" to check for warrants and then let you go when you're cleared with a warning...kinda like fishing. Every day I become more and more libertarian and would find it difficult to do anything but drive around in circles if I went to the road. Legalized extortion isn't something I can do for a living and go home at night and sleep. Don't get me wrong...there is a need for LE but taking food off of their tables for not having a seat belt on is theft and is a violation of your oath. My

Haboob · 02-21-2014, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Wonka2581

It does not matter how many times you change lanes. its all in the matter of how you change lanes. I.E. speed, cutting off other vehicles, useing your blinker. I was an *** and was looking for a reason to pull you over. D**** like that give me and other fellow good cops a bad name...

If you change lanes often, regardless of how you change them, it's construed as "aggressive driving".

I got pulled over for it a long time ago in my SRT. Wasn't speeding, wasn't whipping into the next lane, just kind of going through traffic that was going slower than the posted limit.

MCSO said that it's considered aggressive driving and he could cite me for it, but he was on his way home (have gotten the "on the way home" let-off several times

) and to tone it down.

Infidel · 02-20-2014, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 1325

Common misconception. Not for nothing, but quotas are illegal. Besides, whether one citation or a hundred are issued in a month, the paycheck is still the same.

They may be illegal but are an unwritten rule. My friend went to the road and eventually got on a motorcycle. He told me he has to write 50 tickets a week or they will pull him off the bike. It's about revenue folks, there are quotas...believe it. Maybe not every department but most big cities. The economy sucks and tax revenue is down, gotta pay the bills somehow.

02-16-2014, 07:50 AM	#2 (permalink)
1325 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 287 Drives: 10 370Z BLK 6M Rep Power: 16	Well you've all seem as if you've been exposed to the bad apples which in turn, make the rest look just as bad. I can give insight as to why some (including myself) follow closely for brief (or extended) amount of time especially during night time when it's that much harder to see license plate numbers. 0's look like Q's, D's look like 0's, etc. If I don't have probable cause, I don't have it and I move on. No way I'd ever make something up to jeopardize public trust. As far as changing lanes fast, every state/country is different so I can't speak for all of them, but the way I see it is that if you're doing no harm, I don't foresee an issue. Definitely don't recommended on busy roads, though. Just be careful on the roadways because it doesn't have to be you driving recklessly, but the inattentive, distracted momo beside you. TheGreatOne, Dart, Leadfoot and 1 others like this.

02-20-2014, 08:02 PM	#8 (permalink)
Wonka2581 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 3,083 Drives: MY WIFE CRAZY.... Rep Power: 2613	It does not matter how many times you change lanes. its all in the matter of how you change lanes. I.E. speed, cutting off other vehicles, useing your blinker. I was an * and was looking for a reason to pull you over. D** like that give me and other fellow good cops a bad name... Footloose301 likes this. __________________ "I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat""Winston Churchill"

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