Nismo or boss ?

jcosta79 · 05-29-2013, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

That's because you had the old people shocks.

I had the whole old people car. Most Vette owners don't drive their cars past 60.

And NEVER in the rain.

m4a1mustang · 05-29-2013, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jcosta79

I had the whole old people car. Most Vette owners don't drive their cars past 60.

And NEVER in the rain.

Did it have extra big fonts and a holder for your Jitterbug?

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-29-2013, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Pretty sure some here said SRA can't handle in general.

Anyways, it's the Z guys that get butthurt whenever the 5.0 is mentioned.

I just think this forum has had enough 5.0 comparos it can handle. They are different cars for different people. A small crew of mustang lovers seem to keep that flame going. The sad part it's the Z owners on there own forum being defensive against 5.0 lovers.

There's a mustang forum for that shyt. Besides, up until the sports car dry up of 96. Not many would have ever made this comparo. It was only because of the only two affordable $25,000 cars that existed with a lot of power between 2002-2008 were the mustang and Z. The cars were totally different and still are. But when those are your only two affordable powerful choices, they are force comparo'd. Now it's a price comparo of which is better. I just laugh how mustang lovers here don't entertain other muscle cars to compare themselves in the other vehicles section. It has to be the Z. I guess there's more security in making that comparo when the Z has a 100hp deficit that will keep it out of the loop in some situations.

In reality, it's a comparo of which one will suit your needs. Not which one is better... Somehow some of you blur the lines of philosophy to make weak points. Somehow some of you think flow charts, graphs and eloquent word play will prove a point that doesn't even need to be proven IN A Z FORUM

The discussions always start the same way. A NEWBIE makes a thread identical to this one comparing Z's and mustangs. Z owners show their bias toward the Z. And the usual suspects make the same thread they been making since they traded for a mustang or those who are just hating there Z purchase supporting the mustang crew entertaining the same thoughts.

If passion reigns that high for the mustang, then that passion should be shared with those equally passionate. At the mustang forum.

You say it's us Z owners that get upset??? You really need to read this thread carefully.

Spikuh · 05-29-2013, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I can't recall anyone saying the mustang cant handle cuz it's an LA/SRA???? All i remember most saying is IRS is a superior design. From there it seemed "some" mustang fanboys got titty hurt. I can't remember who in this thread anyone saying the ford can't handle cuz of SRA?

Insecurity reigns supreme in this forum.

It is the blanket statement that IRS > SRA that is problem. But there are also some statements that say "mustang can't handle because SRA".

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Originally Posted by /Angelo350Z/

I've ran my 350Z on the Nurburgring more than a hundred times. Honestly, there's no way a car with a solid axle will be as quick as something with independent rear suspension, same weight, similar suspension modifications, and driver skill. Still, I wanted to know what m4a1mustang had to say about the Mustang. I never drove a car with a solid axle on the Nordschleife, but I have on the Autobahn. Honestly, it's really not the same. The elevation changes and entry speed on the Nurburgring will definitely cause a problem for a stock Mustang, or any other car with a stick axle. Not all race tracks are flat.

Here is an example of where you are wrong.

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Originally Posted by DLSTR

Well said. Test drivers make the Mustang's look much better than they are. Applies to any street car of course. That being said the suspension and lack of quality overall keep me out of US performance cars. I had 2 Corvette's and a Z28 earlier in life. Rattle traps and lack of quality. No thanks. Performance sure. Life and driving are much more than that.

Uneven pavement at speed in a turn will bring a Mustang to life in a bad way catching many out!

Another example.

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Originally Posted by Mecinoid

I'll agree with you on that. I do not understand the musle car comparisons either.

If I want straight line power I go for the Mustang, Firebird, Camaro or Vette. Especially if I'm going to gut it. Who cares about the interior then?

If I want tossability I'll go with the Z. The Vette with magnetic ride is close but, it is so much bigger that it's not as nimble as the Z or transitions as well in my opinion. However, I have not had both at the same road course ever.
The competition mode on the Vette might make a difference on the track. However, on the street I'll take the Z every time for ease of use, getting around and parking situations. Those big doors on American Muscle suck.

This indirectly implies it based on his previous posts in the thread. But mostly, it is just a blanket statement about American vehicles in general so YMMV.

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Originally Posted by scope22

it only doesn't matter on the track, try to take a corner on a bumpy street and see what happens...

And here.

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Originally Posted by scope22

maybe cuse you know better, ie slow down through curves ect...i've driven T/As for many years and and i bought a Z because I was tired of slowing down before each turn

Here too.

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Originally Posted by Caustic

Or just go for a car with with an IRS suspension which everyone in this thread has already admitted is the superior solution.

+1

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Originally Posted by /Angelo350Z/

Perhaps on a flat track where the differences are negligible. Try racing on a track with a lot of elevation changes and you'll definitely feel the difference (the Nordschleife, especially the Karussell corner comes to mind).

And I think I will stop here. Someone on Page 4 for me.

m4a1mustang · 05-29-2013, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I just think this forum has had enough 5.0 comparos it can handle. They are different cars for different people. A small crew of mustang lovers seem to keep that flame going. The sad part it's the Z owners on there own forum being defensive against 5.0 lovers.

There's a mustang forum for that shyt. Besides, up until there sports car dry up of 96. Not many would have ever made this comparo. It was only because of the only two affordable $25,000 cars that existed with a lot of power between 2002-2008 were the mustang and Z. The cars were totally different and still are. But when those are your only two affordable powerful choices, they are force comparo'd. Now it's a price comparo of which is better. I just laugh how mustang lovers here don't entertain other muscle cars to compare themselves in the other vehicles section. It has to be the Z. I guess there's more security in making that comparo when the Z has a 100hp deficit that will keep it out of the loop in some situations.

In reality, it's a comparo of which one will suit your needs. Not which one is better... Somehow some of you blur the lines of philosophy to make weak points. Somehow some of you think flow charts, graphs and eloquent word play will prove a point that doesn't even need to be proven IN A Z FORUM

The discussions always start the same way. A NEWBIE makes a thread identical to this one comparing Z's and mustangs. Z owners show their bias toward the Z. And the usual suspects make the same thread they been making since they traded for a mustang or those who are just hating there Z purchase supporting the mustang crew entertaining the same thoughts.

If passion reigns that high for the mustang, then that passion should be shared with those equally passionate. At the mustang forum.

You say it's us Z owners that get upset??? You really need to read this thread carefully.

The only time I ever say anything is when I see misinformation being spread. I did the same thing on the Mustang boards if someone made some stupid comment about a Z.

If you take offense to someone disagreeing with misinformation... oh well.

Spikuh · 05-29-2013, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

IRS is a superior framework that allows for superior designs...it doesn't guarantee them.

This x very large number.

chrischhorn · 05-29-2013, 12:25 PM

is the OP enjoying his BOSS yet?........

m4a1mustang · 05-29-2013, 12:29 PM

This is usually how these threads go down:

1. OP asks Z vs. Mustang?

2. Some Z owner bashes Mustang, say something factually incorrect

3. Said Z owner gets called out and corrected

4. Butthurt ensues

Now, I'm TRYING to make it better by hosting a BBQ with wine coolers but nooooo, some people want to keep the butthurt flowing.

StangerGT · 05-29-2013, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I just think this forum has had enough 5.0 comparos it can handle. They are different cars for different people. A small crew of mustang lovers seem to keep that flame going. The sad part it's the Z owners on there own forum being defensive against 5.0 lovers.

There's a mustang forum for that shyt. Besides, up until the sports car dry up of 96. Not many would have ever made this comparo. It was only because of the only two affordable $25,000 cars that existed with a lot of power between 2002-2008 were the mustang and Z. The cars were totally different and still are. But when those are your only two affordable powerful choices, they are force comparo'd. Now it's a price comparo of which is better. I just laugh how mustang lovers here don't entertain other muscle cars to compare themselves in the other vehicles section. It has to be the Z. I guess there's more security in making that comparo when the Z has a 100hp deficit that will keep it out of the loop in some situations.

In reality, it's a comparo of which one will suit your needs. Not which one is better... Somehow some of you blur the lines of philosophy to make weak points. Somehow some of you think flow charts, graphs and eloquent word play will prove a point that doesn't even need to be proven IN A Z FORUM

The discussions always start the same way. A NEWBIE makes a thread identical to this one comparing Z's and mustangs. Z owners show their bias toward the Z. And the usual suspects make the same thread they been making since they traded for a mustang or those who are just hating there Z purchase supporting the mustang crew entertaining the same thoughts.

If passion reigns that high for the mustang, then that passion should be shared with those equally passionate. At the mustang forum.

You say it's us Z owners that get upset??? You really need to read this thread carefully.

The passion you speak of... is for an informed conversation... The "mustang" guys who you speak of, are simply trying to get people to understand that your argument is a non-issue.

IF there was no "other side" on this forum, it would just fall to the depths of misinformation, and bais. Which would just feed into others learning the misinformation, and spreading it.

I would wager to guess that the people here who are arguing with you, are not "mustang" guys... but people who have experiance at driving outside of the streets. They are attempting to help you.

The idea that the Mustang is just a muscle car that is being compared? maybe its because its evolving past the muscle car image, and that hasnt caught up to you yet. Maybe you see a bunch of 5.0 posts here because its actually become better in that department, and they can both play in the sandbox together.

Red__Zed · 05-29-2013, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

This is usually how these threads go down:

1. OP asks Z vs. Mustang?

2. Some Z owner bashes Mustang, say something factually incorrect

3. Said Z owner gets called out and corrected

4. Butthurt ensues

5. Steve makes ghey joke

6. Nobody comes to Steve's BBQ
.

ftfy

m4a1mustang · 05-29-2013, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

ftfy

JohnYu · 05-29-2013, 12:31 PM

Haha , I think I am going to keep the nismo , but my driving skill Is terrible ..

m4a1mustang · 05-29-2013, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnYu

Haha , I think I am going to keep the nismo , but my driving skill Is terrible ..

Just remember, no brakes. Don't ever use your brakes. You have IRS. It will save you.

Red__Zed · 05-29-2013, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

step 7: Steve buys a new car after being left alone briefly

m4a1mustang · 05-29-2013, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

step 7: Steve buys a new car after being left alone briefly

There is some truth to this.

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	This is usually how these threads go down: 1. OP asks Z vs. Mustang? 2. Some Z owner bashes Mustang, say something factually incorrect 3. Said Z owner gets called out and corrected 4. Butthurt ensues Now, I'm TRYING to make it better by hosting a BBQ with wine coolers but nooooo, some people want to keep the butthurt flowing. Spikuh, b1adesofcha0s and StangerGT like this. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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