Nismo or boss ?

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-28-2013, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecinoid

Your not going to be happy until the guy caves are you?

It's not worth it ... I'd let it go.

Why should i cave on something thats not even part of this thread. He brought it in here.

Red__Zed · 05-28-2013, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecinoid

Your not going to be happy until the guy caves are you?

It's not worth it ... I'd let it go.

I have more of a vested interest in this forum not turning into the Z33 forums. I like it as a good resource for factual information, rather than an information free-for-all where folks feel comfortable making things up.

I'd drop it if it was just about who is "right" and who is "wrong." I've passed on a number of nonfactual claims in here because they aren't coming from a false place of authority.

Mecinoid · 05-28-2013, 03:53 PM

Well then, the saga will continue ... unsubscribing because your filling up my email with this stuff.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-28-2013, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I have more of a vested interest in this forum not turning into the Z33 forums. I like it as a good resource for factual information, rather than an information free-for-all where folks feel comfortable making things up.

I'd drop it if it was just about who is "right" and who is "wrong." I've passed on a number of nonfactual claims in here because they aren't coming from a false place of authority.

SO YOU BRING UP A 2 YEAR OLD POST NOT FROM THIS THREAD THAT I DID NOT REFERENCE, YOU LIE THERE...
to bring up a mustang comment you feel is false on a Z forum. Shouldn't potential mustang owners look for truth in the Mustang forums. Shouldn't you be in a mustang forum helping your mustang brothers instead of trolling on a Z forum. You are not the information savior of this forum. We have plenty of guys that know just as much as you and throw it out there in a much more constructive fashion.

More important than a informed Z forum is a united Z forum, before we share information, we share love for our cars first. Some of us don't get along. We add guys to the iggy list etc... But what brings us together first is our love for our cars. Not how inferior our cars to mustang.

I'm done

Red__Zed · 05-28-2013, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

SO YOU BRING UP A 2 YEAR OLD POST NOT FROM THIS THREAD THAT I DID NOT REFERENCE, YOU LIE THERE...
to bring up a mustang comment you feel is false on a Z forum. Shouldn't potential mustang owners look for truth in the Mustang forums. Shouldn't you be in a mustang forum helping your mustang brothers instead of trolling on a Z forum. You are not the information savior of this forum. We have plenty of guys that know just as much as you and throw it out there in a much more constructive fashion.

More important than a informed Z forum is a united Z forum, before we share information, we share love for our cars first. Some of us don't get along. We add guys to the iggy list etc... But what brings us together first is our love for our cars. Not how inferior our cars to mustang.

I'm done

Still grasping at straws to draw attention away from the fact that you are caught in a lie?

Nobody here is talking about "370Z inferiority..." well...except for you. I'm correcting blatant falsehoods, like:

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Live Axle does have certain LARGE advantages on SOME tracks. But IRS is the superior street suspension hands down. Which is where most you slouches stay driving... That's why most above average street vehicles have IRS. Any 30k-60k sports car will need mods to the IRS to make it ideal. End of story. No 5 figure car is perfect. Many 6 figure cars aren't perfect.

Is a well-sorted one superior? Absolutely. Is a poorly sorted one better? Absolutely not. Is a particular multi-link better than a particular SRA? It's pretty hard to say, and depends a lot on your use case.

This is probably pretty difficult for you to grasp, when you make claims about the existence of an article that compares "street grip" to "track grip," as if there was some sort of standard that could be used to evaluate a variety of road surfaces broadly. Are we talking about the battle-scarred roads of NJ, or SD...or Florida? Or California's concrete highways?

And are we comparing to Laguna Seca or VIR? The Ring? Not only is such a study infeasible, unrealistic, and completely lacking in value...it would never be bothered with on such a specific car, as you claim.

But sure, you can chalk this up to some "mustang vs Z" thing, when the guys at the center of it don't own Mustangs and haven't for a while. I have no hose in this race (pun obviously intended), and you are welcome to continue to spread your misinformation as much as you please...but please at least qualify it as your opinion rather than verified fact.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-28-2013, 04:47 PM

So you're mad at my current comment and brought up a 2 year old post to kinda give you some validity... Listen to Randy's comments on LA vs IRS on the camaro and mustang comparo. AND WATCH EACH SYSTEM IN ACTION. The proof is in the vid.

LA has it's advantages in some applications though. I'm not going to discuss that though with you because you don't deserve the respect of having a dicussion with.

Done with troll iggy list updated.

Red__Zed · 05-28-2013, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

So you're mad at my current comment and brought up a 2 year old post to kinda give you some validity... Listen to Randy's comments on LA vs IRS on the camaro and mustang comparo. AND WATCH EACH SYSTEM IN ACTION. The proof is in the vid.

LA has it's advantages in some applications though. I'm not going to discuss that though with you because you don't deserve the respect of having a dicussion with.

Done with troll iggy list updated.

Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired.

Either that or you're attempting a rather bold strawman. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you've failed to read, rather than claim you're being malicious. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by...well...nevermind.

Anyways, I will provide my post again here for your scrutiny. Can you dig out the pile of insults, because I sure can't find them.

You're putting words in my mouth that aren't there. I'd choose a well-sorted IRS over an SRA 9 time out of 10, and I've never said any different. (I will keep my solid axles for wheelin' tho)

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

The type of bump that is big enough to upset the wheel on the other end of the stick will also wreak havoc on an IRS system.

For recreational use, the biggest downer is the lack of rear camber. You have to do all you dialing in via the front wheels, and the rear is basically a fixed quantity.

Your claim about the average joe being faster in the m3 is interesting.

2011 BMW M3 Coupe vs. 2011 Ford Mustang GT Comparison - Motor Trend

Drivers 2011 BMW M3 2011 Mustang GT
JOE 92.07 sec 91.52 sec
PRO 87.67 sec 87.76 sec

The major benefits to independent rear isn't so much isolation as it is adjustability. It's not an inherent property of a multi-link system either--it requires quite a bit of time to get right, and most commercial vehicles never get it finished...the A curve should look familiar to any serious 370z drivers

The IRS is a much better system--it offers less unsprung weight and a wide range of adjustability that race teams are able to take advantage of. The mustang will do well when it gets one, but to pretend the car isn't capable because of it is laughable.

Tazicon · 05-28-2013, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

(I will keep my solid axles for wheelin' tho)

Good man! Spoken like some that likes them there rocks!

StangerGT · 05-28-2013, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR

6cyl, comparable power and 2 seats. I guess you missed that. Throw in a TTS or TT-RS. By the way the German testers with a TT-RS vs the 370Z preferred the Z. Go figure. Price is not everything.

There are far more dynamics at play as to why the consumer would purchase said car, then simply seat/hp/cylinder count. I would bet that the massive percentage of people who buy both cars aren't even aware of what is under the hood... or trunk...

There are far more dynamics at play as to why an enthusiast would also purchase said car. Not to burst any bubbles... but the 370z's main competition is the Genesis coupe, Mustang GT, and Camaro SS.

Price is not everything, you are correct, but you also may want to consider brand imaging, weight distribution, power to weight ratio, braking performance, suspension configuration, quality of materials used, cost of ownership, and overall performance under constant use.

I somehow doubt the Porsche will have the heat soak issues the 370z does... I'll also consider a Z the next time I'm shopping for an NSX...

Can a Mustang GT hang with a V8 M3? yes...

Do majority of people who own an M3 think of owning a Ford Mustang? lol probably not...

EDIT: also please note at no point am I attempting to discredit the 370z... its a great platform, offers impressive bang for the buck in the area it was designed to contend. I just think people should be aware, the 370z is a 370z... not a Porsche. They are more costly for a reason.

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*Flame suit on!*

Red__Zed · 05-28-2013, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Tazicon

Good man! Spoken like some that likes them there rocks!

why stop at just one very expensive car hobby? Might as well do a couple

StangerGT · 05-28-2013, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecinoid

This is true but, I do not think the majority of Z owners are looking at the Muscle Car / Straight Line solely. The are looking for a more balanced package> Such as: Great handling, good interior, good fuel economy, reliability with good looks.

In my head, I still view the Mustang as a sporty muscle car not a sports car.
Especially, after my recent experience. My friend is so upset and I have had it with Ford service.

I would wager to say a Mustang GT Track Pack would offer all of this...

You're one friend... is just that... one. My friend just so happens to be a Ford service manager... and he loves the things. Does this counter you're statement equally?

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-28-2013, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by StangerGT

I would wager to say a Mustang GT Track Pack would offer all of this...

but I feel the Z offers more feedback at the steering wheel and the Z's seating position aids in the car feeling much more engaging. Mustang steering wheel feels muted in corners and missing the feeling of connection to the road.

The mustang is faster in every way and can essentially do the same job. But the z feels better doing it.

scope22 · 05-28-2013, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Nope. But everyone should know by now that doesn't matter.

it only doesn't matter on the track, try to take a corner on a bumpy street and see what happens...

Red__Zed · 05-28-2013, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by scope22

it only doesn't matter on the track, try to take a corner on a bumpy street and see what happens...

it grips pretty well, to be honest

shadoquad · 05-28-2013, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

it grips pretty well, to be honest

The Dragon doesn't have many turns on it.

:|

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UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14857	So you're mad at my current comment and brought up a 2 year old post to kinda give you some validity... Listen to Randy's comments on LA vs IRS on the camaro and mustang comparo. AND WATCH EACH SYSTEM IN ACTION. The proof is in the vid. LA has it's advantages in some applications though. I'm not going to discuss that though with you because you don't deserve the respect of having a dicussion with. Done with troll iggy list updated. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980 Last edited by UNKNOWN_370; 05-28-2013 at 04:50 PM.

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