Why should i cave on something thats not even part of this thread. He brought it in here.

I have more of a vested interest in this forum not turning into the Z33 forums. I like it as a good resource for factual information, rather than an information free-for-all where folks feel comfortable making things up.

I'd drop it if it was just about who is "right" and who is "wrong." I've passed on a number of nonfactual claims in here because they aren't coming from a false place of authority.

Well then, the saga will continue ... unsubscribing because your filling up my email with this stuff.

SO YOU BRING UP A 2 YEAR OLD POST NOT FROM THIS THREAD THAT I DID NOT REFERENCE, YOU LIE THERE...
to bring up a mustang comment you feel is false on a Z forum. Shouldn't potential mustang owners look for truth in the Mustang forums. Shouldn't you be in a mustang forum helping your mustang brothers instead of trolling on a Z forum. You are not the information savior of this forum. We have plenty of guys that know just as much as you and throw it out there in a much more constructive fashion.

More important than a informed Z forum is a united Z forum, before we share information, we share love for our cars first. Some of us don't get along. We add guys to the iggy list etc... But what brings us together first is our love for our cars. Not how inferior our cars to mustang.

I'm done

Still grasping at straws to draw attention away from the fact that you are caught in a lie?


Nobody here is talking about "370Z inferiority..." well...except for you. I'm correcting blatant falsehoods, like:


Is a well-sorted one superior? Absolutely. Is a poorly sorted one better? Absolutely not. Is a particular multi-link better than a particular SRA? It's pretty hard to say, and depends a lot on your use case.

This is probably pretty difficult for you to grasp, when you make claims about the existence of an article that compares "street grip" to "track grip," as if there was some sort of standard that could be used to evaluate a variety of road surfaces broadly. Are we talking about the battle-scarred roads of NJ, or SD...or Florida? Or California's concrete highways?

And are we comparing to Laguna Seca or VIR? The Ring? Not only is such a study infeasible, unrealistic, and completely lacking in value...it would never be bothered with on such a specific car, as you claim.


But sure, you can chalk this up to some "mustang vs Z" thing, when the guys at the center of it don't own Mustangs and haven't for a while. I have no hose in this race (pun obviously intended), and you are welcome to continue to spread your misinformation as much as you please...but please at least qualify it as your opinion rather than verified fact.

So you're mad at my current comment and brought up a 2 year old post to kinda give you some validity... Listen to Randy's comments on LA vs IRS on the camaro and mustang comparo. AND WATCH EACH SYSTEM IN ACTION. The proof is in the vid.

LA has it's advantages in some applications though. I'm not going to discuss that though with you because you don't deserve the respect of having a dicussion with.

Done with troll iggy list updated.

Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired.


Either that or you're attempting a rather bold strawman. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you've failed to read, rather than claim you're being malicious. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by...well...nevermind.


Anyways, I will provide my post again here for your scrutiny. Can you dig out the pile of insults, because I sure can't find them.

You're putting words in my mouth that aren't there. I'd choose a well-sorted IRS over an SRA 9 time out of 10, and I've never said any different. (I will keep my solid axles for wheelin' tho)

Good man! Spoken like some that likes them there rocks!

There are far more dynamics at play as to why the consumer would purchase said car, then simply seat/hp/cylinder count. I would bet that the massive percentage of people who buy both cars aren't even aware of what is under the hood... or trunk...

There are far more dynamics at play as to why an enthusiast would also purchase said car. Not to burst any bubbles... but the 370z's main competition is the Genesis coupe, Mustang GT, and Camaro SS.

Price is not everything, you are correct, but you also may want to consider brand imaging, weight distribution, power to weight ratio, braking performance, suspension configuration, quality of materials used, cost of ownership, and overall performance under constant use.

I somehow doubt the Porsche will have the heat soak issues the 370z does... I'll also consider a Z the next time I'm shopping for an NSX...

Can a Mustang GT hang with a V8 M3? yes...

Do majority of people who own an M3 think of owning a Ford Mustang? lol probably not...



EDIT: also please note at no point am I attempting to discredit the 370z... its a great platform, offers impressive bang for the buck in the area it was designed to contend. I just think people should be aware, the 370z is a 370z... not a Porsche. They are more costly for a reason.


EDIT:
*Flame suit on!* :icon17:

why stop at just one very expensive car hobby? Might as well do a couple :roflpuke2:

I would wager to say a Mustang GT Track Pack would offer all of this...

You're one friend... is just that... one. My friend just so happens to be a Ford service manager... and he loves the things. Does this counter you're statement equally?

:iagree: but I feel the Z offers more feedback at the steering wheel and the Z's seating position aids in the car feeling much more engaging. Mustang steering wheel feels muted in corners and missing the feeling of connection to the road.

The mustang is faster in every way and can essentially do the same job. But the z feels better doing it.

it only doesn't matter on the track, try to take a corner on a bumpy street and see what happens...

it grips pretty well, to be honest

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e3...101/179828.jpg

The Dragon doesn't have many turns on it.


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it sure doesn't feel like it when you are moving slowly behind a Harley:tup:

maybe cuse you know better, ie slow down through curves ect...i've driven T/As for many years and and i bought a Z because I was tired of slowing down before each turn

You should test drive one, or even better ride along with someone on a curvy road. You might be surprised. I know I was when m4a1 took me for a ride in his.

You coulda just got a nice coilover setup w/ some chassis stiffening... :tup:

Or just go for a car with with an IRS suspension which everyone in this thread has already admitted is the superior solution.

+1

All I can say is he has been a loyal Mustang fan for years. I have been too. I just do not think the interior quality is there. Let me mention that I also test drove a Mach 1 before I bought my 350Z. Then when I was considering the Mustang yet again prior to the purchase of the 370Z; my stopped me from going to Ford by saying "One of my friends is having issues with her Mustang and Mustangs were for kids in High School. Vettes and Z's are for those of us that are not trying to relive our past." I think she got that right. I always have loved Mustangs and imo right now they just are not as well built or good looking inside and out. That is subjective I know but, I do have a lot of quality control experience to back it up. Just look at the dash. It's awful... :roflpuke2:

Don't get me wrong ... I'd still like to own a Boss Mustang someday but, I'm not thinking it's a better built vehicle and I'd buy a extended warrantee for sure.

Wow... Nismo or boss ?? Chill out everybody! Now the question is where is the OP???:rofl2:

I've taken plenty of bumpy corners on the street in my Zs and my Mustang. The rear end of the Mustang only gets upset on a road bumpy enough to upset the Z as well.

But obviously my experience doesn't count so I will defer to you. You're right, the Mustang can't corner on anything but a flat surface. :rolleyes:

Doesn't mean you can't make the other setup work. And like Red mentioned earlier, you can't just pick any IRS unit and automatically be better. There are plenty of mediocre to god-awful setups out there.

Long gone I imagine... This thread went sort of sideways. It's been fun though. That's what we're here for in my opinion of course. :ughdance:

Everyone knows Mustangs can't turn. They're kind of like Derek Zoolander, except they can't turn left or right.

:iagree:

Tell me about it. My Z hops sideways on bumps while making a left turn. It takes awhile for it to regain consciousness to get it moving. At the same time VDC was killing power in the middle of the turn. O_o

Tomorrow I'm going to try not slowing down for any turns.

I've never driven a nismo is it that more thrilling compared to base 3.7 with fast Intentions exhaust In a straight line?

no

So is having a mid mount engine... does that mean anything to the average driver? no.

I have zero issue with my live axle on/off the track...

really? :rolleyes:

NASA Pony Car Racing
Not adult enough i guess...

If you like a specific interior... or you like a car because you like it... no issues...

But srsly?

Perhaps on a flat track where the differences are negligible. Try racing on a track with a lot of elevation changes and you'll definitely feel the difference (the Nordschleife, especially the Karussell corner comes to mind).

Funny you mentioned that... ;)

I was at Shenandoah Circuit two weeks ago... at Summit Point. I usually have the throttle planted through their Karussell. It's actually one of the points on the track where I can catch higher HP cars... Also there are plenty of changes in elevation...

So I would have to disagree...
http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/y...MG_5751_v2.jpg

How did it feel exiting through the corner? Did it take a while for the rear to settle? Anyway, great comeback with a pic of your car and a karussell :tiphat:.

oh noes! watch out... ur gonna crash! :stirthepot::p

The rear stayed well planted... never had issues with the throttle diving in or exiting... Lots of confidence in that and probubly one of my favorite areas.

EDIT: oh and that BOSS eventually passed me. lolz

You are such a liar. You and that Boss are obviously going 10 mph in that picture because live axles can't handle anything but flat surfaces.