I was scared that I was actually seeing someone dying here. Whew!

Should be fun, I can't wait! :p

Word from FoMoCo has been that they're offering a SRA as an option anyway.

A friend of mine did some track testing of the new chassis some months ago and they had both flavors.

He's a NASCAR development driver, so you can guess which version he preferred...

I hope it's a no cost option??? lol. Imagine paying for an inferior suspension? :stirthepot:

Those discussions are already ongoing. It's a big point of concern that the next-gen Mustang will have crappy IRS.

The old Cobra's IRS was pretty crappy.

Yep, and I'd take the 2012 solid axle over the old Cobra's IRS for most applications, apparently contrary to many folks here.

Yeeeeeah...

That old IRS would take wheel hop to a.. whole... 'notha... level...

Was that gen designed around a solid axle and changed to an IRS? I can see problems popping up if thats the case.

I successfully picked up my lunch.

Marshmallow bushings!

Yes.

Primary issue was the marshmallow bushings. Wheel hop city.

That and a geometry that didn't really support lowering without creating a massive bump-steer issue.

The bottom line, which everyone here seems to totally fail at understanding... is...

It. Doesn't. Matter.

Unless everyone here is a race car driver, most aren't capable skill wise to push either car to its controlable limit.

That is what most of the SRA people are saying... SRA's aren't a big deal... and if it is factoring into your forumla on what you plan on buying, you have either maximised the potiential of one in favor of using the other, or you have no idea what you are buying.

The only car that will be of of equal comparison to a 370z is if you stuff a live axle into a 370z...

Don't you tempt me!

haha jk.

I guess if it doesn't matter, every sports car in the world should have a live rear axle. And they should all rock climb.

There you go again.

YUP! I went and said it!

Rock climbing for all!

I'll agree that the rock crawling comment was pushing it a bit, but drag racing is an activity many people enjoy with sports cars. In that arena, the live axle still outperforms the IRS. I don't think anyone was saying anything close to the hyperbole you just posted. I prefer an IRS, but I can admit that there's at least one form of motorsports that is dominated by live axle vehicles.

I saw a stock rental Corolla and an old stock GTI at the HDPE event... they were mopping the floor with everyone...

Now tell me thats because they packed an IRS... or had a sports car... or had gobbs of power... or awesome wheels/tires... or maybe a great suspension?

nope... all driver mod.

No one is saying an IRS is inferior... but lets shift the convo... front vs mid vs rear mount engine... i think a porsche can win because the engine is out back... therefor, all sports cars should have the motor aft of the driver.

If not its old and crappy and no one wants it...













oh and the corvette also runs leaf springs... anyone wanna say something about that? :stirthepot:

Oh ****, not the Vette thing again. They're composite transverse leaf springs. Not the ones under your pappy's F100. :p

And the proper place for a motor is behind the driver ahead of the rear axle.

WRONG. They are LEAF springs and are directly off a WAGON which was built from the leaves on a tree. Get your facts straight in this thread, man.

and wait until you hear where that pushrod motor came from

But the Enzo doesn't use them... so they must be not sports car... :stirthepot:

Hell they lifted the Ford GT's engine right out of a pickup truck... based on the laws of sports car... it must be slow.

The problem I had is the consistent insistence that a live axle is just as good as an IRS to make a car perform well at a track. And then when that couldn't be argued, the insistence it doesn't matter. Of course it matters. That is why car manufactures spend time and money to develop these systems. That's why the cars in most track racing have it. But the live axle guys have dug their feet in because they can't deal with the fact that their cars are using inferior tech. The Mustang, one of the most recognizable marques around the world, has made forays into IRS (bad or otherwise) just for this very reason. And I'm the one that should let it go? Ford sure isn't, their next gen will offer IRS.

If you start putting other factors in there like good/bad setups, other applications, of course it muddies the whole argument, and avoids the original point.

A properly designed IRS is better than a properly designed solid axle. The Mustang still handles very well with a solid rear. Is it ideal? No. Will it be perfectly fine for the 99.9% of us who don't make our living behind the wheel. Of course. The solid rear isn't the reason I didn't buy a 5.0. It's the interior.

You're still missing the point. All this discussion has ever been about is to dispel the notion that the Mustang CAN'T handle because it is equipped with a live axle, when time and time again it has proved it CAN.

No one is trying to argue that the live axle is just as good or better than the IRS. All we're doing is shooting down the uninformed that assume that just because a car has an SRA means it can't handle, and that just because a car has IRS it can (and doesn't need brakes, apparently.)

We have in fact AGREED with you that IRS is a superior design (when done correctly, of course), but for whatever reason you choose to ignore this.

"IRS is the superior design."

"I know."

"How dare you say SRA is better! IRS is superior!"

"I know."

"WHAT?!?!! How dare you disagree with me!!!"

:icon14:

acronym soup

I'm going to grill up some burgers tonight. A1 steak sauce, worcestershire, garlic and onion powder, and a bit of cayenne pepper for some pop. They grill up real nice.

I will be grilling on my infrared which has three independent burners, which I hear are better than one solid non adjustable burner.

I can't recall anyone saying the mustang cant handle cuz it's an LA/SRA???? All i remember most saying is IRS is a superior design. From there it seemed "some" mustang fanboys got titty hurt. I can't remember who in this thread anyone saying the ford can't handle cuz of SRA?

Insecurity reigns supreme in this forum.

There is no silver bullet. There are plenty of cars out there with various suspension setups and drivetrain configurations. Hell there are many configurations of a single type of drivetrain... They all do well and they all beat one another.

People put far to much weight into giving a **** about SRA vs IRS...

When most of the people here (myself included) couldnt push either to its potential.








Now is there any other technology that we would like to argue about, which most have no experiance pushing, as justification to say that one car is better then the other?

Pretty sure some here said SRA can't handle in general.

Anyways, it's the Z guys that get butthurt whenever the 5.0 is mentioned.

blasphemy!!!

OP must be so proud.

I will bite my tounge, but the second i mention Porsche people here got their panties in a wad...

You want me to list off the issues i have with my mustang? its long...

Would I sell it for a Z? no.

Are Z's good cars? absolutely.

What a nice way to kill a slow day at work :p

This think, if it wasn't for this thread we'd all be working right now. :eek:

IRS is a superior framework that allows for superior designs...it doesn't guarantee them.

Also I will race my car against my same car with a Carbon Fiber hood/trunk/other bits. I will then come to the conclusion, that the only way to go is with the weight savings... otherwise its not a proper sports car...

I will then start a thread to which I will argue how its better, even tho most people cannot understand the amount of skill it would take to even see the fruits of it.