You caught me! And as you can see, that Apex I hit almost sent me flyin... :rofl2:

Also once the S2K's vtak kicked in bro... it was over. (ahh srsly he drove well)

Impossibru!!!

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-M...99IMG_0099.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Q...8/_2956935.jpg

Edit: I just called the owner of the pictured Mustang and he too confirmed he was only touring the 'Ring at 10 mph. The maximum possible speed for a Mustang on anything but a flat surface. :tup:

You guys are right. Cars with a solid axle will perform as well on a track as a car with IRS. Look, I can post pics of a vehicle exiting a corner as well. Unfortunately, it doesn't show how fast it's going, or how slow it is in relation to the cars around it.

http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/...ps371155aa.jpg

Bottom line, with all things being equal: power, torque, weight, engine layout, and weight, a car with IRS will put power to the ground more efficiently than a car with a solid rear axle. There's really no denying it.

No one is denying it. But you guys are making it sound like it's impossible for a SRA car to perform when it's been proven time and time again that they can. Even when those with experience say that their setups are very settled, it's still impossible because it's a solid axle, and well, if you guys say it can't, then it can't!

And like it has been mentioned many times before, for an IRS setup to be better than a well sorted SRA, the geometry has to be right. There are more mediocre independent rear suspension setups out there than there are good ones.

fixed it! :tup:

Also Id like to mention that in my pic... i said... i planted the throttle... soooo theres a pic + first hand information... :p

You're still lying. Angelo says you can't do it, so you can't.

You may not have issues, but it is still the inferior rear suspension set up.

Wrong.

This:

http://www.stancenation.com/wp-conte...3/IMG_9403.jpg

(Also note, this is not even that aggressive on stance, there is far worse.)

Will never put down power as efficiently as this:

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...98612351_n.jpg

Which will never put down power as efficiently as this:

http://arizonafoothillsmagazine.com/...ona-valley.jpg

or this:

http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-cont...s-302-0031.jpg



How effectively a vehicle puts power down depends entirely on the setup and what that setup is designed to do. It really is that simple.

Just FYI, the 240sx is an IRS setup.

So let's do a quick mind exercise. Take that first 240sx, lean the rears out even more and make the stance super crazy, then build it so that has the same paper stats as a 5.0. Line them up, put them down a strip and then around a track. Who is going to win?

According to you, the 240sx will win....because IRS. To anyone with a pair of eyes, the 5.0 will destroy it.

Also wrong, see above.... :shakes head:

You're wrong, Spikuh. Solid axles can't turn and 370Zs don't have to slow down for corners because IRS.

I drove flat out to work this morning. It was awesome.

So basicly what you all are saying is the OP should drive both cars extensively before making a decision?

Got ya

But he needs to take great care to only drive the Boss on flat surfaces with no turns, and to NOT slow down for turns in his NISMO as that is how both cars work.

Did you miss the point where I said with ALL things being equal? Equal means the same doesn't it? So why bring a 240SX and a 5.0 Mustang? Are they the same?

All things are pretty equal in the Continental Tire series and the Mustangs, M3s, Camaros, etc. all seem to go back and forth as far as who wins each race.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-cont...11-626x382.jpg

http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-cont...14-626x382.jpg

http://d3pczhwof661ii.cloudfront.net.../Barber200.jpg

He is watching this thread laughing his a** off at what he started. He probably knew this would happen from the beginning!

Normally I would go back and scale down the image, but this thread is so f*cked it doesn't matter.

Some of us yes, but not all of us. For example some fanbois and myself made no such claim. Can we argue now? :stirthepot: :tup:



But for the OP, if he is still around, if I had the option between a NISMO and a Boss....I would definitely have to get the McLaren P1. :tup:

Really though, its kind of a toss up, but I feel like I would lean towards the Boss a bit more just because of the better aftermarket and the better clutch/tranny.

That last picture is pretty telling. You can see the porsches and 370z are about to lap all of the Mustangs.

Grand Am plays LOTS of games with weight, weight positions, throttle bodies, brakes, and other things to make the cars be fairly equal on the track. Soon as one team gets a clear advantage they make them add weight, restrict airflow, limit tire size...yadayada....Thats why the Continental series race is a crash fest...they get all bunched up and the only way to get position is to barge your way in or bump the next guy off the line. Its pretty fun to watch in person actually.

Isn't there only one Z in that series and they are new to it? lol

pls don't interrupt my joking:roflpuke2:

OMG you are choosing to be really dumb... This is just baffling... READ SON!!!! READ!!!! FOR THE LOVE OF YOUR MOTHER AND I, L2READ!!!!! Both what you wrote and what I wrote.

You want all things equal, EXCEPT THE SUSPENSION. Look at your sentence structure son. You stop the series when you used and. In all honesty, there should probably be a semi-colon where you start saying "a car....herp derp". On top of that, SRA and IRS and NOT equal. Not in any sense of the word so why are you trying to make them equal? If they WERE equal, and everything else is equal then guess what.....

THEY WILL PERFORM THE SAME BECAUSE ITS ALL EQUAL!!!!!

IRS would NOT outperform SRA in the scenario you think you are saying because by being equal, they inherently are equally capable.

So anyway, back to what I was saying and the point I made which is:

You can't really boil this down much more. However, since you don't understand this sentence then read that quote over and over and over until something finally clicks....or, just look at the pictures and the handful of words I typed. They tell a story...kind of like a picture book. The same story that is boiled down into the quote above.

Please..... take a look, it's in a book,

http://img.geocaching.com/cache/4fc6...e71e4f3437.jpg

(That last part is to sung like Oprah)

EDIT: Had fun, I'm out. Need food and to do a bit of work. :D

Sorry..................:tiphat:

Grand Am is a horrible example of which platform is faster.

As mentioned before, they play huge games with weight, restrictors, RPM limits, tires, so on and so on. I mean ****, you have the exact same cars in more than one class... that should tell you something.

Fact is, there has only ever been one Z at a time in Grand Am (Don't think AM and Doran overlapped anyway) and partly because of that, a Z has never won. I don't think one has even podiumed.

All it takes is one turn of bad luck and an entire platform is out of the running for the race (or entire weekend). Add to that Nissan being fickle about sponsoring races for the teams and, well... yeah.

Anyway point is, Grand Am is an awful example of which platform is faster, no matter what you're comparing.

But but....equal....things....equal and....IRSSRAIRSSRAUSAUSAUSA :usa:

But when all things are equal... :rofl2:

This thread... :usa:

:)

Only racing series that are really "equalish" without being literally spec chassis are things like V8 Supercars, Trans Am, DTM and maybe a handful of others around the world.

Everything else, someone's gettin the short end of the stick for one reason or another.

Really guys? You all are going to continue to argue that a live axle is equally as good as an IRS? Really?

Saying a better setup of a live axle is better than a crappy setup of an IRS is the dumbest comparison ever. Why? Cause it is pointless. That's like saying my running Yugo made of cardboard and spit is better than that brand new Toyota Camry missing all four of its wheels.

The bottom line is that IRS is, and always will be better than a live axle setup from an engineering and mechanical standpoint. You can type in all caps, post pretty pictures, and line charts all you want, it won't ever change that fact.

The idea that a rotating mass connected by a big thick piece of metal spanning the width of a vehicle to another rotating mass, with no flex or play between the two, moving at high speeds over an uneven and ever changing surface, is equally as good as an independently controlled...

Know what? All you live axle supporters calling the rest fanbois is the ultimate fanboism. Why? Because physics and engineering says so.

Just let it go. Each has its merits and each can be both good or bad depending on what you're doing and how you've set it up. Neither is a magic bullet.

Who the hell are you even arguing with? No one ever said IRS wasn't a better system. The whole point of the discussion was to dispel the notion that just because the Mustang uses a solid axle doesn't mean it CAN'T handle, which many assume.

Meanwhile, you're over here thinking we're trying to say it's a great system that everyone should use. :icon17:

C'mon, man!

So many people in this thread have missed the mark. It was only ever about ONE thing and it has been blown into an epic mess thanks to a few that can't quite get what the discussion is about.

Oh well, it's all good for a lark.

I was under the impression that a live axle was preferable for drag racing.

Good work gents. I'm going to head out to pick up my lunch. As I drive a 370Z, I will refrain from using the brakes per scope22. They are unnecessary on this car as it is equipped with IRS.

And rock crawling

And being cheap, compact and efficient.

In a year, no one will give a fvckk cuz mustang won't have SRA/LA. It will have IRS. Then you guys will be arguing if Fords new IRS system is up to snuff compared to other performance cars IRS systems? Or will it be 2014 vs 2015 Mustang? Which has the better suspension??? lol. I'll take a front row seat for that one.

:icon18:

And the drag racers will bitch and moan about the IRS, and swap in a solid axle like they did with the cobras. The rest of us will rejoice that ford finally saw the light.