Neither do I and I love the iron beam up front too! That is in my Jeep though...............


And I like to hard park at Starbucks too. Make my mornings ...... well real!

We can hard park together ;)

I has one of those too! :tiphat:

Only if you turn in your NASA card.

The beauty of the internet is that we can have varying opinions. In my defense the newest Ford Product I've owned was 2007. The Ford had lot's of problems from the factory. When it comes to Nissans I owned a bunch without a single problem. Many, many Z's, Pathfinders, Altimas and Maximas.
Just change the oil, do the maintenance and drive. My wife will never give up her Maxima. It's a great car! Again no issues from the factory. Not even a ding or nick in the paint on delivery. Same went for my 350Z and 370Z. Not a nick, ding or flaw in the paint. GM - Blah. I had to have them re-spray the car the first week of ownership. Bought that at night. Paint drips, light paint, panel miss alignment. Yuck.... But, it's all sorted now.

I hope that Ford has come that far. Like I said, I was a Ford brat. I was fortunate enough to have a new Ford car every year for 20+ years. Always some defect from the factory. Generally, fit and finish related. I don't see that it changed with my friends car either. The dash went wacky on him early on. Every Ford I know of has some problem from the factory. The exception may have been my 1986 Ford Taurus. I can not recall anything wrong with it from the factory. My friend's 2012 Mustang is going to be lemon lawed due to the engine light going on and engine miss-fires anything over 5Krpm and Ford can not figure it out.

The paint on my Nissan's has always been good. I claybar them and wax them regularly to make them perfect. Here is a picture of my 1984 AE with factory paint:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y25...E/DSC01828.jpg

and my '86 Turbo paint:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y25...Picture002.jpg

On the other hand:

The paint on my '99 Sable and '87 Mustang Turbo faded and clearcoat bubbled after 10 years.

To each his own and I'm OK with that.

Just saw your newest edit.

My issue lies 100% in the fact that you are making things up and 0% is about "mustang vs X"

Post the article you keep referencing and I will have zero issue with your claims:tup:

Why don't you go on the Camaro forum WITH YOUR FLOW CHARTS and have the appropriate discussion you're looking for with your DIRECT COMPETITOR...
Instead of trolling your v8 car against a v6.




We're NOT a FVCKIN MUSCLE CAR FORUM.

I'm not talking Mustang vs Z here, I'm talking about the fact that you've completely fabricated an article.


I'll sweeten the deal. Find the article by the end of today, I'll paypal you $750 and never post on the forum again, deal?






I really hope the article includes support for this line:

I didn't make shyt up. What would be the motivation behind that Red? Fvckin really???? Like i said. What i said still was mostly positive so why make it up???

What cuz i said LA has a large advantage on SOME tracks but IRS overall is a better suspension???? Get over yourself.

Once you actually get on the track is when you realize that none of this sh1t even matters. It's more about driver experience/skill than anything else. You could give the same car to 10 different drivers on a track and get 10 wildly different times.

I am talking about this article. Please post it.

You're a smart guy, quit deflecting the topic. There's $750 and a lifetime ban in play here...offer good through the end of the day.

Randy said pretty much what i'm saying about IRS in general. With that, i was just making a point about your type of debating.

Get lost douche.

+ infinity... :bowrofl:

Mustang Grip: Street vs Track
By b1adesofcha0s

Track grip = 0.95 g
Street grip = 0.87 g

The End

There's the article, I can haz $750 now? :p

So do you admit this article doesn't exist? You fabricated a story to support your claims?

Funny how Unknown 370 is always so angry....Thanks for quoting him, otherwise I cannot read his posts.....

And the namecalling ? Anger and not very composed....

Why do you think he is on my Ignore list ? And maybe if he keeps up the namecalling, we won't have to worry about him when the administrator removes him ...:tiphat:

I'll agree with you on that. I do not understand the musle car comparisons either.

If I want straight line power I go for the Mustang, Firebird, Camaro or Vette. Especially if I'm going to gut it. Who cares about the interior then?

If I want tossability I'll go with the Z. The Vette with magnetic ride is close but, it is so much bigger that it's not as nimble as the Z or transitions as well in my opinion. However, I have not had both at the same road course ever.
The competition mode on the Vette might make a difference on the track. However, on the street I'll take the Z every time for ease of use, getting around and parking situations. Those big doors on American Muscle suck.

Unless you guys have been under a rock for the past 3-4 years... you would realize that GM and Ford are pushing their muscle cars into the sports car realm.

Thus the comparison... because aside from whatever image you may have in your head... they are infact comparable in a multitude of ways...

NO I do not... BUT why are you entering an over 2 year old post to this thread? What is your point other than douchebaggery???? i didnt rehash that shyt you did

I always thought that the Corvette was classified as a sports car and not a muscle car. I certainly don't think of the Corvette when I think of muscle cars.

And no offense to all you Z guys... but if I were to cross shop a Cayman... it wouldnt be with a 370z... look at the price point in that market...

However, some times they won't let you go to the track or beat up on their car during a test drive. So, a test drive on the street gives me little information about how the car will really perform.

because you referenced it again as a source.

You can get rid of me forever with a quick 5 minute Google search--I don't see why you wouldn't

This coming from the guy defending an unrelated drag racing position based on an autobahn comment that was deleted anyway.

Also the same guy that the first 6 months of his time on the forum began most his posts with his wealth and financial situation.

:bs:

ROTGL - Yeah it's even more fun when we egg them on. :bowrofl:

no i didnt.... The first time i saw that since i wrote it was when you quoted it AN HOUR AGO. Either you're buggin out or your computer is doing things on its own. You went diggin' for that shyt, not me.

I think you're just trying to discredit me based on my comments on IRS right now.

I couldnt find it then. I cant find it now. The article was in a mag anyway.

It is so easy when your target is a very angry person...:tup:

I'll up it to $1000 so you can buy a scanner and scan the article into the computer

6cyl, comparable power and 2 seats. I guess you missed that. Throw in a TTS or TT-RS. By the way the German testers with a TT-RS vs the 370Z preferred the Z. Go figure. Price is not everything.

This is true but, I do not think the majority of Z owners are looking at the Muscle Car / Straight Line solely. The are looking for a more balanced package> Such as: Great handling, good interior, good fuel economy, reliability with good looks.

In my head, I still view the Mustang as a sporty muscle car not a sports car.
Especially, after my recent experience. My friend is so upset and I have had it with Ford service.

did the OP get that camaro like I said?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2336263) I'll up it to $1000 so you can buy a scanner and scan the article into the computer

Quote:
Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370
Live Axle does have certain LARGE advantages on SOME tracks. But IRS is the superior street suspension hands down. Which is where most you slouches stay driving... That's why most above average street vehicles have IRS. Any 30k-60k sports car will need mods to the IRS to make it ideal. End of story. No 5 figure car is perfect. Many 6 figure cars aren't perfect.
Are these still the right skid pad number for "street" vs "track" grip?

Quote:
Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370
The funniest part to me is when the OP says. A Z outhandle a mustang? Really? Its like he can't elaborate because he's never driven a Z. And if he has? Not hard or extensively enough to really make a comparison. NOW. Though the mustang is greatly improved. The mustang G's are .95g which is great for a car of that size. But that G, is a track recorded grip level. On the street, that same exact brembo'ed and suspensioned Z drops to .87g which again, .87g on the street is great. But the lowest out sport models get on the street is middle 90's. Our cars still corner way better. Our steering feel is way better. Turn in feels way more precise and and flatter. As good as the stang is its just not up to snuff in handling. But it does kick *** compared to its muscle bredrin.


These are your quotes that started this. Look at the top post, then look at the history u brought. The first post is today... The second you dig up from years ago... How does it relate? What are you proving?

You classically brought the convo back to mustang.

It is and has been called America's Best Sports Car. However it does have the guts in it to be called a muscle car by a lot of folks. Check out American Muscle Car Series Season 3 1968-2001 Corvette. I think it still holds true for Vette's after that as well. :tiphat:

Nope, Caustic did. I wasn't even involved in the thread at that point.

I can't read the way you have the post quoted, suffice to say it does cover your "street vs track" grip claim.

Agree with you on the price point. However, not many 2 seat sport cars in that Cayman price class to choose from, thus the 370Z fits in that car class category at a much cheaper price and is cross shopped.

Back on topic, tough call OP. Before buying my Z, went to the Ford dealerships here to see if I could test drive a Boss. Unfortunately none were ever available so I test drove the GT on two different occasions. I know it's not the same car, but the GT is an excellent car and felt faster than the Z. However, for some reason it just didn't make me feel connected to the road like the Z did.

While my Z is not a Nismo, I'm sure the Nismo probably would have better feel and the Boss would be faster. So it comes down to whichever feels more like you, don't think you can go wrong either way. Good luck.

Your not going to be happy until the guy caves are you? :owned:

It's not worth it ... I'd let it go.

I think this is a very fair assessment. Thanks for bringing it home Brah. :ugh2: