Bad sales new for z's

Tribalpinoy91 · 05-16-2013, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ubs234

I don't know what is wrong with a lot of people. The Nissan 370z outperforms 90% of cars in it's class. Stock for stock it looks way sportier and sexier than the STI, EVO, GTI, Mustang, Honda s2k, Rx-8, Rx-7, frs, brz. Yeah FRS, BRZ, and Mustang GT also look good, but don't have that special aggressiveness that the 370z offers. Also it is faster in a straight line than aolmost every car in it's class stock for stock. It handles better than most cars besides the FRS and BRZ. Also with the Z you get a great interior which you can't get with the STI or EVO. I can keep going. Z is quality for the price it sells at. The reason other cars are cheaper is because they don't come well equipped from the factory. Z already has nice exterior, interior, and great performance. Even with a few aftermarket mods to produce some more power and better handling it is a track beast. It can also drift and AWD cars can't.

Faster than every car in its class in a straight line stock to stock?hmm lets see here in the affordable sports car category, (which the z is in btw) compare 2012 models across the board new including the z. mustang v6 camaro v6 are faster in a straight line if not the same.

"Check yo'self before you wreck yoself"

SS_Firehawk · 05-16-2013, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribalpinoy91

Faster than every car in its class in a straight line stock to stock?hmm lets see here in the affordable sports car category, (which the z is in btw) compare 2012 models across the board new including the z. mustang v6 camaro v6 are faster in a straight line if not the same.

"Check yo'self before you wreck yoself"

Look young buc, you must be out of your mind if you think a V6 Mustang or Camaro is in the same league. Everything new that is faster cost as much as the Z or more. +/-$1,000. Straight line speed doesn't stop at the 1/4 either. But say it does. It barely breaks 14's, traps 100 flat and weighs 3500 lbs. The Camaro's V6, even considering the LFX engine is no faster than the Mustang. To make matters worse for the Mustang it stops going faster at 115mph.

Z's generally run mid to low 13's and trap 103-105mph, automatics a tick or two faster. The Z stops faster, corners harder, and weighs 300-400lbs less. They are not in the same league as you say. A couple members have broken the 13 barrier with a stock Z, but they are freaks of nature and are omitted from my argument.

Tribalpinoy91 · 05-16-2013, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

Look young buc, you must be out of your mind if you think a V6 Mustang or Camaro is in the same league. Everything new that is faster cost as much as the Z or more. +/-$1,000. Straight line speed doesn't stop at the 1/4 either. But say it does. It barely breaks 14's, traps 100 flat and weighs 3500 lbs. The Camaro's V6, even considering the LFX engine is no faster than the Mustang. To make matters worse for the Mustang it stops going faster at 115mph.

Z's generally run mid to low 13's and trap 103-105mph, automatics a tick or two faster. The Z stops faster, corners harder, and weighs 300-400lbs less. They are not in the same league as you say. A couple members have broken the 13 barrier with a stock Z, but they are freaks of nature and are omitted from my argument.

Ok "old man" you are missing that they are in the "affordable sports cars"

Bucketlist2012 · 05-16-2013, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribalpinoy91

Ok "old man" you are missing that they are in the "affordable sports cars"

No I think you miss his point...Your words were that the V6 Mustangs and V6 Camaros were faster...They are not....It will take a V8 Camaro or Mustang to run with the 370Z in the 1/4 mile and even then, they may lose to the 370Z..

SS_Firehawk · 05-16-2013, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribalpinoy91

Ok "old man" you are missing that they are in the "affordable sports cars"

I think you may be stretching the term "sports car" with those two.

Sports car - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sports car - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Sports car | Define Sports car at Dictionary.com
Sportscar - definition of Sportscar by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
Ford Mustang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (for kicks search sports car in there. It says sports-car-like... once)
Chevrolet Camaro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nissan 370Z - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nissan Z-car - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe you will understand the difference.

Bucketlist2012 · 05-16-2013, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

I think you may be stretching the term "sports car" with those two.

Sports car - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sports car - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Sports car | Define Sports car at Dictionary.com
Sportscar - definition of Sportscar by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
Ford Mustang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (for kicks search sports car in there. It says sports-car-like... once)
Chevrolet Camaro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nissan 370Z - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nissan Z-car - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe you will understand the difference.

True, the Mustang and the Camaro's are "Sport Coupes"...Not sports cars...

ubs234 · 05-17-2013, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribalpinoy91

Faster than every car in its class in a straight line stock to stock?hmm lets see here in the affordable sports car category, (which the z is in btw) compare 2012 models across the board new including the z. mustang v6 camaro v6 are faster in a straight line if not the same.

"Check yo'self before you wreck yoself"

I hope your joking young blood. Even the 2013 V6 Mustangs are slower than 370z stock vs stock in straight line. The 2010 Mustang GT was slower than 370z. Idk what your talking about.

faya · 05-16-2013, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by My_third_Z

This. I was walking to my car in a parking lot yesterday and saw a young guy (~20) looking at my car. When I opened the door he said, "Hey man, nice car!". Had I been driving a car that sells 10 times as well, there's no way that conversation happens because I'm just one of 1000s on the road. I'll take my slow, heavy Z, any day over the Mustang or Camaro.

I am with you man! Well said. I am happy with my baby as well.. All the driver of the cars mentioned, stares and breaks their neck on me.. Priceless!

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk- faya baby!

wstar · 05-16-2013, 10:45 PM

I generally agree, but... 400 lbs for 80 hp isn't all that bad a deal. That's still 5:1 you're tacking on, which is well under the total ratio of any of the cars in question. In acceleration terms, they have more than enough power advantage to take on the weight. It's a little more borderline when you throw in handling effects from the increased weight, but *still*, they're basically competitive with us.

I think the Z's better, but I define that in terms of how good it feels driving the car. It's reactive, it holds the road well, its weight distribution and suspension geometry and whatever else goes into all that just *feels nice*. And because it's a little underpowered, it's not as twitchy at the limit either. Driving a Camaro at the limit is a whole lot more work and worry. Someday 5-10 years down the road of my track experiences, I might be a good enough driver that I *want* an overpowered, twitchy car because it's faster in my hands and I know how to handle it. Right now, no way. And most consumers on the road: no way either.

blackcherry20 · 05-17-2013, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by wstar

I generally agree, but... 400 lbs for 80 hp isn't all that bad a deal. That's still 5:1 you're tacking on, which is well under the total ratio of any of the cars in question. In acceleration terms, they have more than enough power advantage to take on the weight. It's a little more borderline when you throw in handling effects from the increased weight, but *still*, they're basically competitive with us.

I think the Z's better, but I define that in terms of how good it feels driving the car. It's reactive, it holds the road well, its weight distribution and suspension geometry and whatever else goes into all that just *feels nice*. And because it's a little underpowered, it's not as twitchy at the limit either. Driving a Camaro at the limit is a whole lot more work and worry. Someday 5-10 years down the road of my track experiences, I might be a good enough driver that I *want* an overpowered, twitchy car because it's faster in my hands and I know how to handle it. Right now, no way. And most consumers on the road: no way either.

and you didnt even mention the best part IMHO:
image.jpg it looks dang sexy at the starting line

Nailzs · 05-17-2013, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by blackcherry20

it looks dang sexy at the starting line

NO! NO! NO! It looks sexy ANY time!

blackcherry20 · 05-17-2013, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Nailzs

NO! NO! NO! It looks sexy ANY time!

true dat

IDZRVIT · 05-17-2013, 08:03 AM

Now that a lot of 'sport coupes' have +400HP power plants, the Z needs to up its HP and get back in the game.

ElVee · 05-17-2013, 08:10 AM

When you sell 50-100k units of a muscle car a year, and have trims in several segments (V6, V8, GT500...), you do end up with more revisions and releases, strategically staggered. The Z shouldn't get updated *that* often for a car that sells closer to 10k a year.

When it came out, it did have the killer feature everyone talked about: SynchroRev. Just keep in mind that was 4 years ago, and how many new cars copy it now?

It's strange talking up the Z on a Z forum.

If I wanted another car, I'd have gotten another car. Considering the cost, I don't think anyone has "settled" for a Z or had no other options.

edub370 · 05-17-2013, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ubs234

FRS and BRZ are sexy and have nice interiors, but lack so much power.

dafuq?

have u sat in one of those things?? we looked at one for my gf and she wouldn't even take it for a test drive after we sat in it. her words were.." disgusting and cheap". those cars do many things well, but having a nice interior isn't one of them.

but... to be fair, we should prolly stay away from that "true definition of a sports car" game. going by the 2 seats only rule, a 911 turbo, gtr, and m3 aren't "sports cars" lol. played this game with an m3 owner at work here the other day

05-16-2013, 10:45 PM	#9 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3595	I generally agree, but... 400 lbs for 80 hp isn't all that bad a deal. That's still 5:1 you're tacking on, which is well under the total ratio of any of the cars in question. In acceleration terms, they have more than enough power advantage to take on the weight. It's a little more borderline when you throw in handling effects from the increased weight, but still, they're basically competitive with us. I think the Z's better, but I define that in terms of how good it feels driving the car. It's reactive, it holds the road well, its weight distribution and suspension geometry and whatever else goes into all that just feels nice. And because it's a little underpowered, it's not as twitchy at the limit either. Driving a Camaro at the limit is a whole lot more work and worry. Someday 5-10 years down the road of my track experiences, I might be a good enough driver that I want an overpowered, twitchy car because it's faster in my hands and I know how to handle it. Right now, no way. And most consumers on the road: no way either. ubs234 likes this. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

05-17-2013, 08:03 AM	#13 (permalink)
IDZRVIT A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Halifax Posts: 1,659 Drives: '13 CTS-V, '76 Vette Rep Power: 28	Now that a lot of 'sport coupes' have +400HP power plants, the Z needs to up its HP and get back in the game. __________________ "America.... still builds rockets!" Vette: 355 cid, 400 rwhp '13 CTS-V Coupe: 6.2L LSA, 556HP

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ElVee Track Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Iowa Posts: 750 Drives: 13 370z 7at t+s grey Rep Power: 17	When you sell 50-100k units of a muscle car a year, and have trims in several segments (V6, V8, GT500...), you do end up with more revisions and releases, strategically staggered. The Z shouldn't get updated that often for a car that sells closer to 10k a year. When it came out, it did have the killer feature everyone talked about: SynchroRev. Just keep in mind that was 4 years ago, and how many new cars copy it now? It's strange talking up the Z on a Z forum. If I wanted another car, I'd have gotten another car. Considering the cost, I don't think anyone has "settled" for a Z or had no other options.