Thinking about selling the Z

3.7 ZPA

The Z is TOO grippy? What do you think an Evo or STi are going to be? I like both cars, but if someone were to ask for a straight up trade for my Z? Hell no. I like the Z for everything that it is...however, if you're bored I say go for an STi or Evo. A GSX will probably be more trouble than it's worth.

luigi90210

THIS
i test drove a juke today and it was fun, a bit too high for my taste but nothing some coilovers couldnt fix
i only wish it came in a manual AWD, the CVT is nice, but i love driving manual too much lol

interior is something i dont really care about, but after reading about ringland issues with the new WRX/STi, subaru is officially off my list and in my experience my old DSM was reliable, just have to keep up with maintenance thats all plus the EVO(except the EVO X) uses the same engine as the turbo eclipse does(4G63T FTW)


the Z is only fun when being taken to high speeds around curvy roads or on a track, if i went to the track often i wouldnt be complaining but i dont and honestly i want a car thats a fun street car
just driving my brothers turbo eclipse(my old DSM) is a blast around town and im not sure why it is like that but its just more fun then driving the Z around

i would never straight up trade my Z for an Evo, i would sell it and use the money to buy an Evo(seeing as Evo 9s are about 18K used)
i use to own a DSM so i know what it entails but if taken care of properly, they can be just as reliable as nissans can

UNKNOWN_370

Evo's are fun too. Dude keep the Z though. Pay it off or see what the Z35 brings. Or pay it off then add a juke.

Chuck33079

90% of the time Subaru ringland failures are caused by people slapping an intake and/or exhaust on the car without tuning for it. If you're ok with 325-350 whp, go with the Subaru. It'll run forever with a good tune. If you plan on going bigger, get the Evo or plan on building a motor.

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luigi90210

i hear that a tune can prevent ringland failures but i have read cases about it happening to 100% stock cars and how subaru went to great lengths to research the owners interests(the one story that stood out to me the most was that subaru denied a warranty claim for ringland failures on a 100% stock car all because the owner liked to watch the rallycross X Games event and he "might" have over reved it to cause the failure) plus the only way to avoid ringland failures is to go aftermarket and if you do that, your warranty is as good as gone

not that Mitsubishi's warranty is any better but i would rather have a lack of warranty then having warranty but being denied a claim all because the manufacture things you "might" have done something


@KenChan
my definition of good money probably isnt the same as your definition of good money, im making good money for a 19 year old(about 3k/month) and right now most of that money is being dumped into insurance($2500/6 months) for my car, car payments(about $600) and rent(about $1200)
the rest goes into eating, gas, and other misc items
i dont really have any extra money to spend so another car payment isnt out of the question if i get a turbo 4banger, i can buy outright but im not going to buy a honda or some other cheap beater car/rice rocket(which is all i can really afford to buy outright) and on top of it have insurance go up on me...

please dont say what i can and cant afford without knowing my financial situation first, its kind of rude...

@everyone else, i appreciate your opinions on the matter, i know this is a Z forum so i expect everyone to be bias towards the Z(heck i am bias sometimes as well) but i also want some real opinions on the matter
thanks

MMC Racing

You are making the classic younger person mistake of car hopping. Even if you hop to a cheaper car, you won't be happy and hop again. You are making peanuts for living in the San Diego area, so take some advice and think really hard about the financial impact of your decisions.

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luigi90210

maybe i misunderstood kenchan advice but what i picked up from it was keep my Z and buy another car because i make good money

well i do have that fear that when i switch cars im going to regret switching but i dont know if i like the way another performance car would feel

i think there will always be a deep longing for the car(like i do miss my eclipse but because its now my brothers car i can still drive it occasionally) and i will always miss it no matter what car it is

financially speaking, my car payments would go down if i got a cheaper car, i dont know about insurance but it honestly cant be any higher then it is now unless i got a more expensive car

UNKNOWN_370

Don't be offended by Ken's advice... Cuz it's the same advice I gave you and it's good advice. Pay off the Z bruh... Then buy a turbocharged car to play with. I realized the Z was NOT the best mod investment after purchase. I thought $18k budget for turbocharging the car was good. I was wrong. It's like a $35k budget to do it right. It disappointed me. I don't like doing half a job so i am going to do with the Z what Ken said, Make it mine with personalization and getting the best out of suspension mods etc... Power mods will be minimal.
Now i'm upset about Z modding cost, but being upset and not liking my Z are 2 different things. Basically I'm saying. I know how you feel. I rent camaro's and vettes alot. They have way more power and fill a void the Z can't give me. But the Z fills a void those cars can't give me too... In other words. no car under $80k will be close to perfect. But you can have a couple cars in your life that can fit different roles in your driving mood. Pay off the Z. Keep it. Then buy a STi, Evo, or even a Juke Nismo. Buy what YOU like. We don't pay your bills so our opinion only holds so much weight..
People will throw all types of philosophies on you. I can give you my philosophy on BRZ's that many won't agree with. Opinions are like azzholes. In the end the decision is yours.

GL

edub370

Don't u think that's kinda sad that the ecu parameters in that car are so narrow, and the ecu is so unadaptable to the SLIGHTEST afr change that it causes catastrophic engine failure??

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Red__Zed

Par for the course on a turbo car if you run it hard.

Messing with the air tract on an FI car is much different than something NA.


The only reason you hear about these issues on subarus more than other cars is the types of people that own them and how they drive.

edub370

I have a 1998 Volvo s70 t5. It runs 9.5psi factory. Ran 13psi with boost controller and without afr correction. Currently runs 18psi tuned, on the stock motor, as strong as it ever did. It's my dd, and currently has 170k miles on it. I know about afr on turbo cars. Subaru owners ARE NOT prone to cry to their manufacturer more about there cars more than any other car owners (i am also a member of kc subaru). That engine has had that problem since 02 and Subaru refuses to address the problem. Its not the owners, or the "air tract" on afr cars

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Red__Zed

Since 2002? That's news to me.


Cast pistons are gonna create issues when you take a factory lean turbo car and lean it out more. It's pretty straightforward.

And when a large proportion of your buyers are joining the car, you're really going to see issues.