Why are reviewers so hard on the z?

Red__Zed · 09-06-2012, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I've pulled up that stat and true delta stats which are us directly. Somehow they are not valid to the reverse fanboys. Only corporate funded consumer reports has all the correct answers.

I know you've seen my discussion about the statistical irrelevance of true delta.

Self reported, small sample size statistics are inherently flawed and essentially useless.

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-06-2012, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I know you've seen my discussion about the statistical irrelevance of true delta.

Self reported, small sample size statistics are inherently flawed and essentially useless.

actually i havn't but i know i fill out all true delta reports every 3 months in full detail when necessary. Send me a link to that report.

Red__Zed · 09-06-2012, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

actually i havn't but i know i fill out all true delta reports every 3 months in full detail when necessary. Send me a link to that report.

All the info you need is here:

Sampling bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sample size determination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cmike2780 · 09-06-2012, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

"Cmike's Car Column For Noobs"

Yup!

Cmike's List of Used Cars to Avoid:

No.1 The Smart Fortwo...bacause...come on..

No.2 The Toyota Prius...ditto

No.3 The Scion iQ...ditto

No.4 The VW New Beetle...ditto

...and last but not least,

No.5 The 5.0 Mustang, because those bastards made it faster than the Z!

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-06-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Yup!

Cmike's List of Used Cars to Avoid:

No.1 The Smart Fortwo...bacause...come on..

No.2 The Toyota Prius...ditto

No.3 The Scion iQ...ditto

No.4 The VW New Beetle...ditto

...and last but not least,

No.5 The 5.0 Mustang, because those bastards made it faster than the Z!

Hilarious!!!

b1adesofcha0s · 09-06-2012, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Yup!

Cmike's List of Used Cars to Avoid:

No.1 The Smart Fortwo...bacause...come on..

No.2 The Toyota Prius...ditto

No.3 The Scion iQ...ditto

No.4 The VW New Beetle...ditto

...and last but not least,

No.5 The 5.0 Mustang, because those bastards made it faster than the Z!

shadoquad · 09-06-2012, 11:18 AM

NissanGuy23 · 09-06-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jcosta79

If you guys think journalists are tough on the 370Z, you should be glad you don't own a Corvette.

Ouch.

Not so sure about this one, corvettes are treated as gods by car mags am i missing something? The vette is the mags all time fav car, always on the cover, always in vids they upload like "vette smokes XYZ", always 1st place in every test agaist Ford GT, Viper, Murcielago, ect.

jcosta79 · 09-07-2012, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by NissanGuy23

Not so sure about this one, corvettes are treated as gods by car mags am i missing something? The vette is the mags all time fav car, always on the cover, always in vids they upload like "vette smokes XYZ", always 1st place in every test agaist Ford GT, Viper, Murcielago, ect.

That's the most infuriating part! It smokes EVERYTHING in its price class in terms of performance (unless you're comparing ZR1 to GTR - and even then the ZR1 holds it's own) and yet they still pick the twice as expensive Porsche as the one they would buy because it has a better interior.

With that said, the seats on the Corvette are HORRENDOUS! Even if you throw down $120K for a fully loaded ZR1, you get the same seats I had in my $44K base model.

But I wouldn't pay twice as much for less performance just for a better interior.

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-07-2012, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by NissanGuy23

Not so sure about this one, corvettes are treated as gods by car mags am i missing something? The vette is the mags all time fav car, always on the cover, always in vids they upload like "vette smokes XYZ", always 1st place in every test agaist Ford GT, Viper, Murcielago, ect.

The vette has a split fan base between it being the most overrated and most underrated car. I've read a lot of vette hate, believe it or not. Mainly because its built chintzy, cheap interior, bad transmissions, isn't fun to drive on regular roads, and cost $15k over it's value by opinion.
Others applaud its ultra light weight for its features, record breaking grip, acceleration in its price range. Record breaking top speed of 190mph and incredible track times on a base vette, considering it a value buy.

There is definitely a love/hate by reviewers and fans alike.

shadoquad · 09-07-2012, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

The vette has a split fan base between it being the most overrated and most underrated car. I've read a lot of vette hate, believe it or not. Mainly because its built chintzy, cheap interior, bad transmissions, isn't fun to drive on regular roads, and cost $15k over it's value by opinion.
Others applaud its ultra light weight for its features, record breaking grip, acceleration in its price range. Record breaking top speed of 190mph and incredible track times on a base vette, considering it a value buy.

There is definitely a love/hate by reviewers and fans alike.

They put a premium on performance over luxury. I agree, this will draw fans and haters alike.

dmhenderson · 09-07-2012, 08:47 AM

There will _always_ be haters. If you love the car, love the car. End of discussion.

*Fake Edit: If there are saab/volvo fanclubs, then we have a right to exist vOv

edub370 · 09-07-2012, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by dmhenderson

There will _always_ be haters. If you love the car, love the car. End of discussion.

*Fake Edit: If there are saab/volvo fanclubs, then we have a right to exist vOv

HELL yea! I'm a volvo fanboy! and tbh there are some CRAAAAZY volvo builds. i keep mine to bolt on parts. 18psi and 300+ lb. ft of torque FTW! 165,000 on the stock clutch still

s70 t5m. one of 391 ever imported to north america (for reference, about 600 458 italias were brought into the country last year)

...we are among u......

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-12-2012, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by edub370

HELL yea! I'm a volvo fanboy! and tbh there are some CRAAAAZY volvo builds. i keep mine to bolt on parts. 18psi and 300+ lb. ft of torque FTW! 165,000 on the stock clutch still

s70 t5m. one of 391 ever imported to north america (for reference, about 600 458 italias were brought into the country last year)

...we are among u......

Volvo's are dope... You gotta be a serious car guy to understand volvo's worth in the enthusiast world. These were some of the best cars ever built.

I'm a fan though i don't own.

sheps58 · 09-12-2012, 05:58 AM

Porsche Boxsters and Caymans should be on the list IMS failures.
Two years and no problems.

09-07-2012, 08:47 AM	#12 (permalink)
dmhenderson A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,930 Drives: AWD TT 370z Rep Power: 28	There will _always_ be haters. If you love the car, love the car. End of discussion. *Fake Edit: If there are saab/volvo fanclubs, then we have a right to exist vOv __________________

09-12-2012, 05:58 AM	#15 (permalink)
sheps58 Base Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Connecticut Posts: 102 Drives: 2010 370Z 6MT & 2004 Rep Power: 16	No problems here Porsche Boxsters and Caymans should be on the list IMS failures. Two years and no problems.

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