Mistubishi EVO vs 370Z

bboypuertoroc · 08-03-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by shabarivas

In an average drivers hands - the X / other evos will give you more confidence to push the car harder - with a RWD car... you will have to build that confidence over time and learning... by your logic... a twin clutch is way worse than a SRM system correct? Honestly - I can revmatch all day long and heel toe till the cows come home... but there is a certain awesome feeling you get when the car does it so amazingly well that you feel it would be stupid to try and be as good as the computer can. However - this does not stop me from turning off my SRM for spirited runs where I feel I need to stay sharp for when I want to drive other cars.. but its much less of a "auto-drive" feature than the AWD systems seen in the Evos / STis

This so-called auto-drive feature is non-existent.

Ryan@Forged · 08-03-2009, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shabarivas

In an average drivers hands - the X / other evos will give you more confidence to push the car harder - with a RWD car... you will have to build that confidence over time and learning... by your logic... a twin clutch is way worse than a SRM system correct? Honestly - I can revmatch all day long and heel toe till the cows come home... but there is a certain awesome feeling you get when the car does it so amazingly well that you feel it would be stupid to try and be as good as the computer can. However - this does not stop me from turning off my SRM for spirited runs where I feel I need to stay sharp for when I want to drive other cars.. but its much less of a "auto-drive" feature than the AWD systems seen in the Evos / STis

I think you are misinterpreting what I am trying to say. By my logic, no twin clutch is not worse than SRM. What I am trying to say is these aids take the driving skill out of the hands of the driver. They are great advancements in technology and I have no doubt that they work better than any human is capable of. I am not saying they are bad features in any way. At the same time I am not questioning your driving skills one bit. My point being that they do in fact lessen the amount of skill it takes to drive these cars. This discussion will never reach an agreement because it is that of opinion. You believe the AWD system is more of an auto drive while I believe auto rev match is more of an auto drive. Are either of us wrong? I don't think so, it's just opinion.

With that being said I still think the Evo's handle better than the 370z whether it be by electronic advancement, AWD, or by the drivers having more confidence in them.

shabarivas · 08-03-2009, 04:13 PM

So by that logic... how is a twin clutch not taking the "skill" out of driving ie - shifting? Are you serious? If SRM is taking skill away then so does a twin clutch... I agree that they are progressing towards making driving "easier" - whatever that means haha... but in an AWD car - which was unheard of until recent years - you get all 4 wheels on the ground w/ power... which is also a "technological advance" if you remember that it used to be JUST FWD and RWD.... so could we say that AWD takes skill away from driving? absolutely not... just like that SRM and dual clutches are just the way things are headed... its evolution... (no pun intended

) ... and it will be widely accepted once it proves itself ... just like AWD did.. just like dual clutches are doing now...

If you are saying it takes more skill to drive an evo at the limit than it does to drive a Z at its limit.. then you are lying to yourself... with all that said.. I do miss my X

Ryan@Forged · 08-03-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by shabarivas

So by that logic... how is a twin clutch not taking the "skill" out of driving ie - shifting? Are you serious? If SRM is taking skill away then so does a twin clutch... I agree that they are progressing towards making driving "easier" - whatever that means haha... but in an AWD car - which was unheard of until recent years - you get all 4 wheels on the ground w/ power... which is also a "technological advance" if you remember that it used to be JUST FWD and RWD.... so could we say that AWD takes skill away from driving? absolutely not... just like that SRM and dual clutches are just the way things are headed... its evolution... (no pun intended

) ... and it will be widely accepted once it proves itself ... just like AWD did.. just like dual clutches are doing now...

If you are saying it takes more skill to drive an evo at the limit than it does to drive a Z at its limit.. then you are lying to yourself... with all that said.. I do miss my X

a twin clutch IS taking skill out of driving, I did not say it didn't. That was actually part of my previous point. I don't think one is worse than the other, they are equal in my mind. Wow, I am really not getting through to you. Nowhere did I say an Evo takes more skill to drive at the limit, all I said is that the Evo does not drive itself. I am a firm believer that RWD is more challenging to drive than AWD.

shabarivas · 08-03-2009, 04:58 PM

Ha ha - That you did not imply

... no worries tho... we dont think any less of you for having an EVO ... they are amazing cars in their own right... where else do you find something that you can throw 10k into and go Lambo hunting with

...

Just the same way you think that an SRM / twin clutch is taking the skill out of driving... I believe that an AWD also takes the skill out of driving lol... this is more opinion than fact... but the fact that one is easier to drive begs the question... you are coming through loud and clear... its just that your opinions seem hard to infer info from...

Ryan@Forged · 08-03-2009, 05:04 PM

Ha ha

I'm a bit outnumbered so I have to stand my ground sometimes

I have a GTR too if it helps my case (have to own at least 1 Nissan

)

Ya, a lot of times I have so much going on over here I don't get to get my entire though out. Half my posts are jumbled up thoughts after thinking about a ton of other stuff.

I think a standard AWD system is different, not easier to drive, but that is an entire different discussion that we won't get into right now

shabarivas · 08-03-2009, 05:48 PM

Agreed - lets just say - both have their advantages and disadvantages... I am all for the Evos tearing it up in time attacks and autoX

I tend to get into my debates as well ... but I intend no harm by my comments ... all in the name of friendly discussion / debate

Ryan@Forged · 08-03-2009, 08:37 PM

agreed

It's all in good fun and makes for a good discussion. I am waiting to see the 370z's hit the T/A scene more.

KingDavid · 08-04-2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan@Forged

On paper yes, you could do it that way. However I have found that while those tests are directly reflected to a cars handling they do not tell everything. I have always preferred track testing to see how a car performs.

Ahhh...Similar to power and weight numbers vs. what they actually put down at a 1/4 mile. Gotcha. Thanks. -_-

gtaylor370 · 08-05-2009, 06:11 PM

haha yeah. i wanted an M3 till I saw the 370Z. I can't wait to see the look on all the M3 drivers faces when they get beat by a Nissan Z. lol

gatorfast · 08-05-2009, 06:23 PM

^ better start modding if you want to beat m3's

DuReichstSoGu · 08-05-2009, 06:35 PM

Evo killer?

Maybe with some driving skills you can possibly be a evo killer yet my friend.

Don't be deceived by those family sedans, they are notoriously fast and driven by hormone driven youngster fast coffins they are, evos...

shabarivas · 08-05-2009, 06:43 PM

What are you ... fukin Yoda? lol... you could beat M3s just not the new ones...

Scott@FontanaNissan · 08-05-2009, 08:09 PM

Wow...this is still going on???

Here's my .02 -- learn to drive what you have...you'd be surprised what types of cars you can beat...and it doesn't always necessarily mean that your car is faster either...most of the time you were just the faster driver.

Everytime I go to the track, I beat cars that I really shouldn't...but its the nut behind the wheel that should be tightened first!!!

As the saying goes, straights are for fast cars...and corners are for fast drivers!!!

Rogue Z · 08-05-2009, 09:44 PM

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wow...this is still going on???

Here's my .02 -- learn to drive what you have...you'd be surprised what types of cars you can beat...and it doesn't always necessarily mean that your car is faster either...most of the time you were just the faster driver.

Everytime i go to the track, i beat cars that i really shouldn't...but its the nut behind the wheel that should be tightened first!!!

As the saying goes, straights are for fast cars...and corners are for fast drivers!!!

preach.....

08-05-2009, 08:09 PM	#134 (permalink)
Scott@FontanaNissan Supporting Nissan Dealer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Fontucky, CA Posts: 857 Drives: 91 Sentra GTi-R Rep Power: 25	Wow...this is still going on??? Here's my .02 -- learn to drive what you have...you'd be surprised what types of cars you can beat...and it doesn't always necessarily mean that your car is faster either...most of the time you were just the faster driver. Everytime I go to the track, I beat cars that I really shouldn't...but its the nut behind the wheel that should be tightened first!!! As the saying goes, straights are for fast cars...and corners are for fast drivers!!! __________________ Scott VanderHeide - Motorsports Director - Fontana Nissan/NissanRaceShop www.nissanraceshop.com www.youtube.com/scottvanderheide

08-03-2009, 04:13 PM	#123 (permalink)
shabarivas A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,188 Drives: 370z MB 6mt Rep Power: 914	So by that logic... how is a twin clutch not taking the "skill" out of driving ie - shifting? Are you serious? If SRM is taking skill away then so does a twin clutch... I agree that they are progressing towards making driving "easier" - whatever that means haha... but in an AWD car - which was unheard of until recent years - you get all 4 wheels on the ground w/ power... which is also a "technological advance" if you remember that it used to be JUST FWD and RWD.... so could we say that AWD takes skill away from driving? absolutely not... just like that SRM and dual clutches are just the way things are headed... its evolution... (no pun intended ) ... and it will be widely accepted once it proves itself ... just like AWD did.. just like dual clutches are doing now... If you are saying it takes more skill to drive an evo at the limit than it does to drive a Z at its limit.. then you are lying to yourself... with all that said.. I do miss my X

08-03-2009, 04:58 PM	#125 (permalink)
shabarivas A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,188 Drives: 370z MB 6mt Rep Power: 914	Ha ha - That you did not imply ... no worries tho... we dont think any less of you for having an EVO ... they are amazing cars in their own right... where else do you find something that you can throw 10k into and go Lambo hunting with ... Just the same way you think that an SRM / twin clutch is taking the skill out of driving... I believe that an AWD also takes the skill out of driving lol... this is more opinion than fact... but the fact that one is easier to drive begs the question... you are coming through loud and clear... its just that your opinions seem hard to infer info from...

08-03-2009, 05:04 PM	#126 (permalink)
Ryan@Forged The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Marietta/Kennesaw, GA Posts: 1,527 Drives: Evo 8/Evo 9 MR/GTR Rep Power: 0	Ha ha I'm a bit outnumbered so I have to stand my ground sometimes I have a GTR too if it helps my case (have to own at least 1 Nissan ) Ya, a lot of times I have so much going on over here I don't get to get my entire though out. Half my posts are jumbled up thoughts after thinking about a ton of other stuff. I think a standard AWD system is different, not easier to drive, but that is an entire different discussion that we won't get into right now

08-03-2009, 05:48 PM	#127 (permalink)
shabarivas A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,188 Drives: 370z MB 6mt Rep Power: 914	Agreed - lets just say - both have their advantages and disadvantages... I am all for the Evos tearing it up in time attacks and autoX I tend to get into my debates as well ... but I intend no harm by my comments ... all in the name of friendly discussion / debate

08-03-2009, 08:37 PM	#128 (permalink)
Ryan@Forged The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Marietta/Kennesaw, GA Posts: 1,527 Drives: Evo 8/Evo 9 MR/GTR Rep Power: 0	agreed It's all in good fun and makes for a good discussion. I am waiting to see the 370z's hit the T/A scene more.

08-05-2009, 06:11 PM	#130 (permalink)
gtaylor370 Base Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 8 Drives: 02 Ford F250 7.3 M6 Rep Power: 15	haha yeah. i wanted an M3 till I saw the 370Z. I can't wait to see the look on all the M3 drivers faces when they get beat by a Nissan Z. lol

08-05-2009, 06:23 PM	#131 (permalink)
gatorfast Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: SoFla Posts: 120 Drives: Z4 M Coupe Rep Power: 289	^ better start modding if you want to beat m3's

08-05-2009, 06:35 PM	#132 (permalink)
DuReichstSoGu Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: socal Posts: 25 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 15	Evo killer? Maybe with some driving skills you can possibly be a evo killer yet my friend. Don't be deceived by those family sedans, they are notoriously fast and driven by hormone driven youngster fast coffins they are, evos...

08-05-2009, 06:43 PM	#133 (permalink)
shabarivas A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,188 Drives: 370z MB 6mt Rep Power: 914	What are you ... fukin Yoda? lol... you could beat M3s just not the new ones...