Avoiding the bashing!

twinturbonet · 06-07-2012, 01:49 PM

I'm sure some of these business owners that sell these products don't know how to install their own products! Lol. J/k, but who knows really. Valid points though.

Pauly · 06-07-2012, 01:56 PM

repped

Apoc370z · 06-07-2012, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdog1250

What was the point of your post then, for comedy? Cause it sure wasn't funny, just annoying.

OP was trying to provide valuable feedback for the Sponsors which in turn helps the customers and saves everyone time, money and hassle.

Sorry sir, i didnt know i am not suppose to joke around in the forums. I swear to god i will never do it again!

Apoc370z · 06-07-2012, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdog1250

A smart and successful business owner should want to please his customers, and providing proper instructions doesn't seem like a stretch... especially when it saves EVERYONE time and frustration.

It is true that successful business owners should provide excellent customer service and do everything they can to solve the customer's problems.

But nothing can be done if the customer decides to bash on the vendors without seeking for a solution first. All dramas can be settled via pm, that is why i said it is not so much the vendor's problem if people choose to discuss the issue in the open. Vendors were never given a chance to explain in the frst place.

PapoZalsa · 06-07-2012, 02:19 PM

The OP has valid points. Must parts are hit or miss when you are installing them without instructions, and even with instructions is hard to understand.

In my field I do every assembly by the technical manual, however most of these guys that write the instructions have never installed, assembled or mounted that item.

I thanks those that take thier valuable time to do DIY for other.

MattP725 · 06-07-2012, 02:38 PM

How about in addition, the people that aren't mechanically inclined (aka those members that don't own a floor jack but want to install their HFCs in the garage) stop blaming the manufacturers for their failure.

If you don't know what you are doing, you should be seeking a professional installer.

It is like trying to cut your own hair and blaming the scissors.

tommyguns · 06-07-2012, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Apoc370z

Ok dad!

It's all good B! I think what hit me the most was the DAD part of it, althougth I am a dad and my two kids are my life, I'm the coolest 52 year old you'll EVER meet, I PROMISE YOU THAT!

tommyguns · 06-07-2012, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MattP725

How about in addition, the people that aren't mechanically inclined (aka those members that don't own a floor jack but want to install their HFCs in the garage) stop blaming the manufacturers for their failure.

If you don't know what you are doing, you should be seeking a professional installer.

It is like trying to cut your own hair and blaming the scissors.

But I will say this, a lot of guys could have saved a bunch of cash doing this themselves and a lot would have if they had instructions. I'm not trying to push my point I'm just having a conversation at this point, so please don't anyone be offended by my statements. My stuff's installed and she's about to have her Fairlady badge installed (right after this next Scotch). So if you need to flame me use the badging instead of this, I think this OP is very important!

Apoc370z · 06-07-2012, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tommyguns

It's all good B! I think what hit me the most was the DAD part of it, althougth I am a dad and my two kids are my life, I'm the coolest 52 year old you'll EVER meet, I PROMISE YOU THAT!

I wont doubt that at all

anthonyy · 06-07-2012, 03:32 PM

This is a very valid post, thanks Tom.

370Z Purist · 06-07-2012, 03:41 PM

Valid post, yes, but instructions for what kinds of parts? Exhausts that are purported to have near OEM or OEM fitment are pretty much self explanatory; take off your old exhaust, repeat in reverse order for new components.

Also, maybe you should buy more Stillen! They're the only aftermarket house that thoroughly explains DIY installation (or even, giving the instructions to the installer) completely for almost every part they sell.

twinturbonet · 06-07-2012, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MattP725

How about in addition, the people that aren't mechanically inclined (aka those members that don't own a floor jack but want to install their HFCs in the garage) stop blaming the manufacturers for their failure.

If you don't know what you are doing, you should be seeking a professional installer.

It is like trying to cut your own hair and blaming the scissors.

tommyguns · 06-07-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Z Purist

Valid post, yes, but instructions for what kinds of parts? Exhausts that are purported to have near OEM or OEM fitment are pretty much self explanatory; take off your old exhaust, repeat in reverse order for new components.

Also, maybe you should buy more Stillen! They're the only aftermarket house that thoroughly explains DIY installation (or even, giving the instructions to the installer) completely for almost every part they sell.

Thats a very valid point and dealers should take note of that, some will go in another direction due to the fact that there is no clear cut set of instructions. Keep in mind that replacing is one thing but modding is another.

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-07-2012, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 6MT

Valid pionts. But there seems to be quite a few on these forums that seem to want everything for nothing or very little. (speaking from experience).

I didn't get where he is stating that something should be had for nothing. It sounds like he's saying, products should come with more instructional use info and more basic representation. I

But I know what you're saying too... but the flipside to that is there's some sponsors are selling a hot bowl of steam with a big cup of nothing for $300. Let's keep it real. We see an equal amount of both.

PapoZalsa · 06-07-2012, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Z Purist

Valid post, yes, but instructions for what kinds of parts? Exhausts that are purported to have near OEM or OEM fitment are pretty much self explanatory; take off your old exhaust, repeat in reverse order for new components.

Also, maybe you should buy more Stillen! They're the only aftermarket house that thoroughly explains DIY installation (or even, giving the instructions to the installer) completely for almost every part they sell.

Looks like you are a Stillen fan boy!

06-07-2012, 01:49 PM	#16 (permalink)
twinturbonet Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Miami, FL Age: 42 Posts: 335 Drives: 11' Z #024 - SFZCC Rep Power: 14	I'm sure some of these business owners that sell these products don't know how to install their own products! Lol. J/k, but who knows really. Valid points though. __________________

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PapoZalsa A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Not in Sunny Florida Posts: 6,358 Drives: 16 Nismo w/Tech Pack Rep Power: 4500	The OP has valid points. Must parts are hit or miss when you are installing them without instructions, and even with instructions is hard to understand. In my field I do every assembly by the technical manual, however most of these guys that write the instructions have never installed, assembled or mounted that item. I thanks those that take thier valuable time to do DIY for other. __________________ 2009 370Z MB Base w/Sport Package 6MT Modshack's Custom Air Intakes /3M Clear Bra/ Illuminated Kick Plates / F. I CBE w/12" resonators / EVO-R Front Lip / Rear Hatch Wing / Tein S-Tech Springs /Ilegal Tint in the Rep. of VA/4x20mm Z1 Spacers/ Vinyl Roof/Liquid Carbon Designs Last edited by PapoZalsa; 06-07-2012 at 07:00 PM.

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370Z Purist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Zion, Illinois Posts: 1,873 Drives: '09 370Z-T BS M6 Rep Power: 20	Valid post, yes, but instructions for what kinds of parts? Exhausts that are purported to have near OEM or OEM fitment are pretty much self explanatory; take off your old exhaust, repeat in reverse order for new components. Also, maybe you should buy more Stillen! They're the only aftermarket house that thoroughly explains DIY installation (or even, giving the instructions to the installer) completely for almost every part they sell. __________________ -Phil "Since one of my brake light bulbs just went out, the forum told me that my piston rings are about to blow."

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MattP725 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Toms River, NJ Posts: 1,904 Drives: 2010 40th Rep Power: 18	How about in addition, the people that aren't mechanically inclined (aka those members that don't own a floor jack but want to install their HFCs in the garage) stop blaming the manufacturers for their failure. If you don't know what you are doing, you should be seeking a professional installer. It is like trying to cut your own hair and blaming the scissors.

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anthonyy A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Los Gatos, CA Posts: 1,027 Drives: Lexus CT Rep Power: 17	This is a very valid post, thanks Tom.