Avoiding the bashing!

tommyguns · 06-07-2012, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Apoc370z

Ok dad!

It's all good B! I think what hit me the most was the DAD part of it, althougth I am a dad and my two kids are my life, I'm the coolest 52 year old you'll EVER meet, I PROMISE YOU THAT!

Apoc370z · 06-07-2012, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tommyguns

It's all good B! I think what hit me the most was the DAD part of it, althougth I am a dad and my two kids are my life, I'm the coolest 52 year old you'll EVER meet, I PROMISE YOU THAT!

I wont doubt that at all

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-07-2012, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tommyguns

This is just a little advice to all our wonderful sponsor/dealers that sell their goods here. Sometimes what may seem obvious to you the designers of some of the coolest aftermarket parts available on the market, is just not that obvious to the purchaser!
If you take the time to make these things then why can't you take the time to write up and include directions, all this drama could be avoided. Now just again I read another thread were the OP was killing said part for fitment issues, when after all the bashing, the dealer comes in and explains that the OP was not installing it properly, after which he explained how it should be done and problem solved, all that wasted time and drama. What he explained was not that obvious but made perfect sence and said part looked perfect.
Now I say this from experience, I've purchased many items for my car and have installed them myself, that includes the Type III wing and just the other day a Spec ME lip. I won't go into the specifics of just those two items, but after writing up my install for the ME lip, the seller/designer comes on to give me props for the write up, which I thank him for, but if you have the chance to read it there is no chance in the world a customer should have to know this beforehand or would know this. I'm a risk taker so I'm prepared to do what is necessary to install my part (remember the "original nismo intake install"). I mean come on, there was nine holes in the deck of the hatch after removing the sport spoiler and not one was even used for what would have been a great matching point for a TEMPLATE to drill the new holes!
So this is not about just one item, but for some reason it's the norm around here to not be supplied with instructions our even post the install procedure. Knowing not to use tape was a choice of mine and it turns out you shouldn't use tape for this install

, or having to remove the bumper to achieve the best fitment are things that should be told up front at point of purchase and not after giving props to the purchaser that took the time to do your said job.
Now please notice how I'm choosing my words, I'm not trying to offend anyone, I'm also a business owner and know firsthand how hard it is to stay in business, so please do not take offence to this, please just use it as advice and avoid the DRAMA.
Kindest regards,
Thomas Pomatico

You make valid points... repped.

tommyguns · 06-07-2012, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

You make valid points... repped.

Thank you so much. I'm not trying to be a d!ck I'm just saying thats all.

twinturbonet · 06-07-2012, 01:49 PM

I'm sure some of these business owners that sell these products don't know how to install their own products! Lol. J/k, but who knows really. Valid points though.

Pauly · 06-07-2012, 01:56 PM

repped

PapoZalsa · 06-07-2012, 02:19 PM

The OP has valid points. Must parts are hit or miss when you are installing them without instructions, and even with instructions is hard to understand.

In my field I do every assembly by the technical manual, however most of these guys that write the instructions have never installed, assembled or mounted that item.

I thanks those that take thier valuable time to do DIY for other.

MattP725 · 06-07-2012, 02:38 PM

How about in addition, the people that aren't mechanically inclined (aka those members that don't own a floor jack but want to install their HFCs in the garage) stop blaming the manufacturers for their failure.

If you don't know what you are doing, you should be seeking a professional installer.

It is like trying to cut your own hair and blaming the scissors.

tommyguns · 06-07-2012, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MattP725

How about in addition, the people that aren't mechanically inclined (aka those members that don't own a floor jack but want to install their HFCs in the garage) stop blaming the manufacturers for their failure.

If you don't know what you are doing, you should be seeking a professional installer.

It is like trying to cut your own hair and blaming the scissors.

But I will say this, a lot of guys could have saved a bunch of cash doing this themselves and a lot would have if they had instructions. I'm not trying to push my point I'm just having a conversation at this point, so please don't anyone be offended by my statements. My stuff's installed and she's about to have her Fairlady badge installed (right after this next Scotch). So if you need to flame me use the badging instead of this, I think this OP is very important!

twinturbonet · 06-07-2012, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MattP725

How about in addition, the people that aren't mechanically inclined (aka those members that don't own a floor jack but want to install their HFCs in the garage) stop blaming the manufacturers for their failure.

If you don't know what you are doing, you should be seeking a professional installer.

It is like trying to cut your own hair and blaming the scissors.

anthonyy · 06-07-2012, 03:32 PM

This is a very valid post, thanks Tom.

370Z Purist · 06-07-2012, 03:41 PM

Valid post, yes, but instructions for what kinds of parts? Exhausts that are purported to have near OEM or OEM fitment are pretty much self explanatory; take off your old exhaust, repeat in reverse order for new components.

Also, maybe you should buy more Stillen! They're the only aftermarket house that thoroughly explains DIY installation (or even, giving the instructions to the installer) completely for almost every part they sell.

tommyguns · 06-07-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Z Purist

Valid post, yes, but instructions for what kinds of parts? Exhausts that are purported to have near OEM or OEM fitment are pretty much self explanatory; take off your old exhaust, repeat in reverse order for new components.

Also, maybe you should buy more Stillen! They're the only aftermarket house that thoroughly explains DIY installation (or even, giving the instructions to the installer) completely for almost every part they sell.

Thats a very valid point and dealers should take note of that, some will go in another direction due to the fact that there is no clear cut set of instructions. Keep in mind that replacing is one thing but modding is another.

PapoZalsa · 06-07-2012, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Z Purist

Valid post, yes, but instructions for what kinds of parts? Exhausts that are purported to have near OEM or OEM fitment are pretty much self explanatory; take off your old exhaust, repeat in reverse order for new components.

Also, maybe you should buy more Stillen! They're the only aftermarket house that thoroughly explains DIY installation (or even, giving the instructions to the installer) completely for almost every part they sell.

Looks like you are a Stillen fan boy!

370Z Purist · 06-07-2012, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PapoZalsa

Looks like you are a Stillen fan boy!

I'm just a fan of their DIYs. Wish more companies would do the same. I'm still bone stock, lol.

Trying to change it, but vendors here can be slow with PMs occasionally.

06-07-2012, 01:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
twinturbonet Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Miami, FL Age: 43 Posts: 335 Drives: 11' Z #024 - SFZCC Rep Power: 15	I'm sure some of these business owners that sell these products don't know how to install their own products! Lol. J/k, but who knows really. Valid points though. __________________

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Pauly Track Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Lafayette, La Posts: 645 Drives: and parks Rep Power: 16	repped __________________ Gun Metallic 2012 370 Z 7AT

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PapoZalsa A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Not in Sunny Florida Posts: 6,358 Drives: 16 Nismo w/Tech Pack Rep Power: 4501	The OP has valid points. Must parts are hit or miss when you are installing them without instructions, and even with instructions is hard to understand. In my field I do every assembly by the technical manual, however most of these guys that write the instructions have never installed, assembled or mounted that item. I thanks those that take thier valuable time to do DIY for other. __________________ 2009 370Z MB Base w/Sport Package 6MT Modshack's Custom Air Intakes /3M Clear Bra/ Illuminated Kick Plates / F. I CBE w/12" resonators / EVO-R Front Lip / Rear Hatch Wing / Tein S-Tech Springs /Ilegal Tint in the Rep. of VA/4x20mm Z1 Spacers/ Vinyl Roof/Liquid Carbon Designs Last edited by PapoZalsa; 06-07-2012 at 07:00 PM.

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370Z Purist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Zion, Illinois Posts: 1,873 Drives: '09 370Z-T BS M6 Rep Power: 20	Valid post, yes, but instructions for what kinds of parts? Exhausts that are purported to have near OEM or OEM fitment are pretty much self explanatory; take off your old exhaust, repeat in reverse order for new components. Also, maybe you should buy more Stillen! They're the only aftermarket house that thoroughly explains DIY installation (or even, giving the instructions to the installer) completely for almost every part they sell. __________________ -Phil "Since one of my brake light bulbs just went out, the forum told me that my piston rings are about to blow."

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06-07-2012, 02:38 PM	#8 (permalink)
MattP725 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Toms River, NJ Posts: 1,904 Drives: 2010 40th Rep Power: 18	How about in addition, the people that aren't mechanically inclined (aka those members that don't own a floor jack but want to install their HFCs in the garage) stop blaming the manufacturers for their failure. If you don't know what you are doing, you should be seeking a professional installer. It is like trying to cut your own hair and blaming the scissors.

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anthonyy A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Los Gatos, CA Posts: 1,027 Drives: Lexus CT Rep Power: 18	This is a very valid post, thanks Tom.

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