Steering lock problem solved (for real)

gotchu99 · 03-17-2013, 10:25 PM

What are they replacing it with? The new Z's don't have a lock. Another lock that will jam? No thanks. I cut the brown wire as soon as Fritz figured it out for us. When I get that letter, in the garbage it goes. I just hope the people who got screwed and paid out of pocket will get refunded.

forza370z · 03-17-2013, 10:42 PM

OP, could you just put this DIY video in your first post so that people don't have to read through till page 11(I guess) to find the first pic of where the fuse is located? I spent sometime myself search through this board but none of them has clear step by step DIY instructions(with pix or videos) on how to pull the fuse. This thread would be much helpful if you could include this video in your first post. Thanks!

MR.nismo · 03-20-2013, 07:29 AM

This video made it so easy, even a man like me could do it. I could be a caveman once in a while.

Before the video I was looking at the wrong box for a moment. Luckyly I knew I was looking at the wrong box. Thank you Mr. Forza370z for the video clip.

forza370z · 03-20-2013, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MR.nismo

This video made it so easy, even a man like me could do it. I could be a caveman once in a while.

Before the video I was looking at the wrong box for a moment. Luckyly I knew I was looking at the wrong box. Thank you Mr. Forza370z for the video clip.

Hey no problem buddy. I am glad the video helps.

Even though I know we've won the war and Nissan just issued a recall on SLU. But like somebody else had mentioned, who knows if the new unit will fail again or not. So pulling the fuse is still an option for us. Again, if OP would put up this video into his first post it would be much helpful in a long run for the z community.

Vampirex · 04-02-2013, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

First, Rev D is the last revision, and the same one that is being used for replacement in this recall. Even if you were in the US, I don't believe you would be on the recall list; I have an early 2011 with Rev D, and I am not. Even so, I maintain this is a half-a$$ed recall because there are people who already had their ESCL (commonly referred to as SLU) replaced with a Rev D model which failed as well. I have already pulled my fuse and have no reason to put it back in. If I were in the recall, I would put my fuse back in, take it to the dealer for replacement, and then pull the fuse again, and all just so Nissan has to pay for it.

So there is no fix for this trouble for us in Europe.

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Originally Posted by JARblue

Second, I would absolutely familiarize yourself with the laws and or insurance policies relating to the steering lock in your region (France) before you mess with anything yourself. For example, would pulling the fuse be a violation of law? Or could it perhaps void your insurance coverage in some scenario?

Here in France it is not as clear as that. For a car to be recordable, it has to be homologated (European or French). Once the homologation done succesfully by the manufacturer, the car and especially all that is required by law, is described and detailed in a reference ”reception record”. With every car, a “certificate of conformity” is delivered, describing the car synthetically and referencing to the reception record. The CoC (Certficat of Conformity) is necessary to record and get a license plate. Everything that is described in the “reception record” cannot be suppressed or modified. Removing a fuse to alter behavior of something is forbiden.
So it is highly improbable that a policeman ask you on a road side if your lock steering is working. But the insurance coverage is given on the CoC basis, so if a sinister arises, of course for small amount of money they don’t check a lot, But if the sinister involves expensive indemnities or repairs, they try to not pay and if the car is not strictly conform, they say “This is not the car we had covered”. We know several cases like that and the procedures are long and expensive.

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Originally Posted by JARblue

Third, you may call or visit a dealership and see what ESCL Revision the 2013 models have (or even the 2014s when they start showing up). Is it the same or different from yours? I was under the impression that late 2011 models and later did not have an ESCL at all (in North America, at least).

You are right, it is the easier, but the 370z is not a popular car like in USA and since 2013 this car is affected by a 6000€ (about 7700$) eco-tax, it became very difficult to sale, because this an increase of the price (same tax for Camaro, Charger…). So dealers sale only on order, and don't stock these cars.
BR.
PS I hope my explanation is clear in English as even in French it is not easy to explain.

eaddams1201 · 04-02-2013, 08:12 PM

My car won't even go into ACC mode, got any suggestions?

forza370z · 04-02-2013, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by eaddams1201

My car won't even go into ACC mode, got any suggestions?

Tow your car to the Nissan dealership and tell them no ACC.

JARblue · 04-30-2013, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Vampirex

So there is no fix for this trouble for us in Europe.

Here in France it is not as clear as that. For a car to be recordable, it has to be homologated (European or French). Once the homologation done succesfully by the manufacturer, the car and especially all that is required by law, is described and detailed in a reference ”reception record”. With every car, a “certificate of conformity” is delivered, describing the car synthetically and referencing to the reception record. The CoC (Certficat of Conformity) is necessary to record and get a license plate. Everything that is described in the “reception record” cannot be suppressed or modified. Removing a fuse to alter behavior of something is forbiden.
So it is highly improbable that a policeman ask you on a road side if your lock steering is working. But the insurance coverage is given on the CoC basis, so if a sinister arises, of course for small amount of money they don’t check a lot, But if the sinister involves expensive indemnities or repairs, they try to not pay and if the car is not strictly conform, they say “This is not the car we had covered”. We know several cases like that and the procedures are long and expensive.

You are right, it is the easier, but the 370z is not a popular car like in USA and since 2013 this car is affected by a 6000€ (about 7700$) eco-tax, it became very difficult to sale, because this an increase of the price (same tax for Camaro, Charger…). So dealers sale only on order, and don't stock these cars.
BR.
PS I hope my explanation is clear in English as even in French it is not easy to explain.

Painfully clear, my friend. Well spoken

You make extremely good points about the risk factors of pulling the fuse, and you're absolutely right it wouldn't make sense for you to try to sell your Z. Plus, it occurs to me that if it's required by law, the EU model will have the ESCL regardless of what the US model has.

Fritz has posted what I think is the best solution for you (harness or switch for the brown wire). Theoretically, modifying the brown wire still sounds like it could be construed as unlawful. And again, the largest risk factor is the vehicle being involved in a large insurance claim (you used the word sinister, which isn't quite accurate, but seven years of Latin in school helps my translation skills

). It's ridiculous that the ESCL would have anything to with any claim other than a stolen vehicle, but that's how it works.

03-17-2013, 10:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
forza370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: 403 Forbidden Posts: 2,512 Drives: 2009 NISMO 370Z Rep Power: 19	OP, could you just put this DIY video in your first post so that people don't have to read through till page 11(I guess) to find the first pic of where the fuse is located? I spent sometime myself search through this board but none of them has clear step by step DIY instructions(with pix or videos) on how to pull the fuse. This thread would be much helpful if you could include this video in your first post. Thanks! BG370z and mag_black like this.

03-20-2013, 07:29 AM	#3 (permalink)
MR.nismo Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hackensack, NJ Age: 51 Posts: 373 Drives: 2014 Nismo Gun Metal Rep Power: 14	Is so easy even a ........ This video made it so easy, even a man like me could do it. I could be a caveman once in a while. Before the video I was looking at the wrong box for a moment. Luckyly I knew I was looking at the wrong box. Thank you Mr. Forza370z for the video clip. __________________ Sarcasm and Orgasm are about the same thing. One is good....the other is better.

04-02-2013, 08:12 PM	#6 (permalink)
eaddams1201 Base Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Lexington Posts: 1 Drives: 09 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 13	No ACC My car won't even go into ACC mode, got any suggestions?

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03-17-2013, 10:25 PM	#1 (permalink)
gotchu99 Base Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: ny Posts: 86 Drives: '09 370z black mt, Rep Power: 15	What are they replacing it with? The new Z's don't have a lock. Another lock that will jam? No thanks. I cut the brown wire as soon as Fritz figured it out for us. When I get that letter, in the garbage it goes. I just hope the people who got screwed and paid out of pocket will get refunded.