Next Gen Z will likely have smaller engine.

theDreamer · 04-12-2012, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooster89

This just in. Nissan and Ford have reached an agreement. Expect a 500z with 420hp.

trollololol

I hear they even went with this new tech called a solid rear axle or something, suppose to be the next big thing.

Rooster89 · 04-12-2012, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

I hear they even went with this new tech called a solid rear axle or something, suppose to be the next big thing.

Carlos Gnosi said in a press release that was super secret, but since your buddy rooster was there, you get to hear too-"The new solid rear axle technology, we have internally dubbed 'Coyote' will increase handling capabilities to unheard of levels in a sub 100k car"

Remember where you heard it first

Dark Sarcasm · 04-12-2012, 02:26 PM

why are american sports cars getting bigger engines and foreign sports cars are getting smaller engines?

Rooster89 · 04-12-2012, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Sarcasm

why are american sports cars getting bigger engines and foreign sports cars are getting smaller engines?

...i was hoping there was punchline line to this

zguynate · 04-13-2012, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Sarcasm

why are american sports cars getting bigger engines and foreign sports cars are getting smaller engines?

Not exactly true. Supposedly the 2014 Mustang will be a smaller boosted motor in an all around smaller car.

2014 Ford Mustang to Become a "World Car", Lighter and Smaller with an IRS? (The Torque Report)

Also Dodge is supposed to be getting rid of the Challenger and replacing it with a smaller lighter "sports" car. EPA regulations are getting real tight in the next few years so I think the American car companies are pushing out the biggest motors they can before that happens.

m4a1mustang · 04-13-2012, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by dragonbreath

Not exactly true. Supposedly the 2014 Mustang will be a smaller boosted motor in an all around smaller car.

2014 Ford Mustang to Become a "World Car", Lighter and Smaller with an IRS? (The Torque Report)

Also Dodge is supposed to be getting rid of the Challenger and replacing it with a smaller lighter "sports" car. EPA regulations are getting real tight in the next few years so I think the American car companies are pushing out the biggest motors they can before that happens.

Ford is focused on weight reduction on all new platforms. The 2014 Mustang is said to be at minimum 250 lbs lighter than the current platform (meaning 3,350 maximum weight) while using a more efficient direct-injected 5.0 V8 in the GT model and a turbo I-4 in the base model. The V8 will probably be a North American option while the smaller engine would be in the European car, most likely.

GM obviously has a different approach with their cars. They still like to throw power at a chassis and call it a day. Granted they are equipping their cars with world class suspensions these days, they need to work on cutting down the weight.

Back to the Z... I often wonder if Nissan will increase the performance of the Z to compete with the V8 cars while they develop a smaller sports car to compete with the likes of the FRS/BRZ. Or will they just downsize the Z to compete with the lower performance tier? Who knows. It will be interesting to see how it develops over the next couple years.

ZMan8 · 04-13-2012, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Ford is focused on weight reduction on all new platforms. The 2014 Mustang is said to be at minimum 250 lbs lighter than the current platform (meaning 3,350 maximum weight) while using a more efficient direct-injected 5.0 V8 in the GT model and a turbo I-4 in the base model. The V8 will probably be a North American option while the smaller engine would be in the European car, most likely.

GM obviously has a different approach with their cars. They still like to throw power at a chassis and call it a day. Granted they are equipping their cars with world class suspensions these days, they need to work on cutting down the weight.

Back to the Z... I often wonder if Nissan will increase the performance of the Z to compete with the V8 cars while they develop a smaller sports car to compete with the likes of the FRS/BRZ. Or will they just downsize the Z to compete with the lower performance tier? Who knows. It will be interesting to see how it develops over the next couple years.

I am hoping nissan just releases a silvia/240sx to compete with the frs and keeps making the Z competitive with 5.0, porsche, bmw z4, etc. I would like for them to put a TT 3.0 in the next z that puts out 400+ hp from the factory and is easily upgraded. (Maybe im having wishful thinking)
Then make a 250 hp small, light sports coupe (240sx) to compete with FR-S and others in that range.

Dark Sarcasm · 04-12-2012, 02:45 PM

its not a riddle, beemers did away with V8s, BRZ is 2.0, now this Nissan article. Caddys and Camaros get 7.1 liters, 650 hp GT500s, new Viper.....

brucelidat · 04-12-2012, 03:12 PM

America is all about bigger is better. And America is about Muscle so we have bigger and bigger engines with more HP. (and also bigger fatter people)

sfearl1 · 04-12-2012, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat

America is all about bigger is better. And America is about Muscle so we have bigger and bigger engines with more HP. (and also bigger fatter people)

lol1234 · 04-13-2012, 11:07 AM

pretty sure the new vette is supposed to get a smaller engine

5.5L DI or so I've read (rumor!!)

m4a1mustang · 04-13-2012, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by lol1234

pretty sure the new vette is supposed to get a smaller engine

5.5L DI or so I've read (rumor!!)

I've heard that too for some time now. I am looking forward to seeing the new Vette, especially after seeing what SRT has done with the Viper.

vo2max99 · 04-21-2012, 08:49 PM

Because Americans typically value straight line acceleration above all else unfortunately. Many don't understand that test track #'s don't even begin to scratch the surface when it comes to how fun / rewarding a car is to drive.

It's easy to sell numbers because people understand numbers but it's harder to put into context and thus sell the truly important aspects of a car that make it great. So what happens is that people wrongly / ignorantly assert the quicker / faster car is somehow by default the superior car.

For example, the MX-5 is world renown for being one of the best cars to drive on the planet regardless of price. Most Americans are for whatever reason more concerned with 0-60 times, etc so they'll skip the MX-5 for something which is quicker but not nearly as fun / rewarding to drive. Also many are really concerned with "image" in how other people will perceive them. Yes it's sad but unfortunately true.

As far as making the Z better there are many things they could do. The problem however is in convincing people slower doesn't mean worse. Because as I stated people still ignorantly assert quicker / faster is somehow by default superior.

With that said a good start would be to dish that huge 3.7l V6 which is basically maxed out for something lighter, more refined, etc. Maybe a 3.0L N/A 6 which produces around 300hp. This could help in achieving a closer to 50/50 weight distribution as well. They could also look for ways to shade weight here and there.

The brakes would perform better with brake cooling ducts. Recaro seats such as the ones in the EVO X would be nice. Other than that they could fine tune the suspension for better feedback and improve outward visibility. The car could be made superior without turning out to be faster.

The value of a car should be measured by how it feels from behind the wheel not its numbers so this idea that Nissan would have to build a lower powered version of the Z to compete with the BRZ / FR-S doesn't make much sense.

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SPOHN · 04-21-2012, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by vo2max99

Because Americans typically value straight line acceleration above all else unfortunately. Many don't understand that test track #'s don't even begin to scratch the service when it comes to how fun / rewarding a car is to drive.

It's easy to sell numbers because people understand numbers but it's harder to put into context and thus sell the truly important aspects of a car that make it great. So what happens is that people wrongly / ignorantly assert the quicker / faster car is somehow by default the superior car.

For example, the MX-5 is world renown for being one of the best cars to drive on the planet regardless of price. Most Americans are for whatever reason more concerned with 0-60 times, etc so they'll skip the MX-5 for something which is quicker but not nearly as fun / rewarding to drive. Also many are really concerned with "image" in how other people will perceive them. Yes it's sad but unfortunately true.

As far as making the Z better there are many things they could do. The problem however is in convincing people slower doesn't mean worse. Because as I stated people still ignorantly assert quicker / faster is somehow by default superior.

With that said a good start would be to dish that huge 3.7l V6 which is basically maxed out for something lighter, more refined, etc. Maybe a 3.0L N/A 6 which produces around 300hp. This could help in achieving a closer to 50/50 weight distribution as well. They could also look for ways to shade weight here and there.

The brakes would perform better which brake cooling ducts. Recaro seats such as the ones in the EVO X would be nice. Other than that they could fine tune the suspension for better feedback and improve outward visibility. The car could be made superior without turning out to be faster.

The value of a car should be measured by how it feels from behind the wheel not its numbers so this idea that Nissan would have to build a lower powered version of the Z to compete with the BRZ / FR-S doesn't make much sense.

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Wells said

daisuke149 · 05-25-2012, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by vo2max99

Because Americans typically value straight line acceleration above all else unfortunately. Many don't understand that test track #'s don't even begin to scratch the surface when it comes to how fun / rewarding a car is to drive.

It's easy to sell numbers because people understand numbers but it's harder to put into context and thus sell the truly important aspects of a car that make it great. So what happens is that people wrongly / ignorantly assert the quicker / faster car is somehow by default the superior car.

For example, the MX-5 is world renown for being one of the best cars to drive on the planet regardless of price. Most Americans are for whatever reason more concerned with 0-60 times, etc so they'll skip the MX-5 for something which is quicker but not nearly as fun / rewarding to drive. Also many are really concerned with "image" in how other people will perceive them. Yes it's sad but unfortunately true.

As far as making the Z better there are many things they could do. The problem however is in convincing people slower doesn't mean worse. Because as I stated people still ignorantly assert quicker / faster is somehow by default superior.

With that said a good start would be to dish that huge 3.7l V6 which is basically maxed out for something lighter, more refined, etc. Maybe a 3.0L N/A 6 which produces around 300hp. This could help in achieving a closer to 50/50 weight distribution as well. They could also look for ways to shade weight here and there.

The brakes would perform better with brake cooling ducts. Recaro seats such as the ones in the EVO X would be nice. Other than that they could fine tune the suspension for better feedback and improve outward visibility. The car could be made superior without turning out to be faster.

The value of a car should be measured by how it feels from behind the wheel not its numbers so this idea that Nissan would have to build a lower powered version of the Z to compete with the BRZ / FR-S doesn't make much sense.

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to a degree you are right. but.. not all driving is like that.

you NEED a good mix of what you said above and good power..

the mx-5 to me is extremely effing boring unless i decide to run around a parking lot.. for most real roads... its not really.

and most driving is done on real roads.. not in super tight twisties in the mountain.. or super small tracks.

The current z has a great blend of this already tbh. if they could get more power, retain the handling and feedback or improve it.. thats the way they need to go. improve both.

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vo2max99 Base Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 120 Drives: 08MS3-BM-6MT Rep Power: 15	Because Americans typically value straight line acceleration above all else unfortunately. Many don't understand that test track #'s don't even begin to scratch the surface when it comes to how fun / rewarding a car is to drive. It's easy to sell numbers because people understand numbers but it's harder to put into context and thus sell the truly important aspects of a car that make it great. So what happens is that people wrongly / ignorantly assert the quicker / faster car is somehow by default the superior car. For example, the MX-5 is world renown for being one of the best cars to drive on the planet regardless of price. Most Americans are for whatever reason more concerned with 0-60 times, etc so they'll skip the MX-5 for something which is quicker but not nearly as fun / rewarding to drive. Also many are really concerned with "image" in how other people will perceive them. Yes it's sad but unfortunately true. As far as making the Z better there are many things they could do. The problem however is in convincing people slower doesn't mean worse. Because as I stated people still ignorantly assert quicker / faster is somehow by default superior. With that said a good start would be to dish that huge 3.7l V6 which is basically maxed out for something lighter, more refined, etc. Maybe a 3.0L N/A 6 which produces around 300hp. This could help in achieving a closer to 50/50 weight distribution as well. They could also look for ways to shade weight here and there. The brakes would perform better with brake cooling ducts. Recaro seats such as the ones in the EVO X would be nice. Other than that they could fine tune the suspension for better feedback and improve outward visibility. The car could be made superior without turning out to be faster. The value of a car should be measured by how it feels from behind the wheel not its numbers so this idea that Nissan would have to build a lower powered version of the Z to compete with the BRZ / FR-S doesn't make much sense. --- I am here: http://tapatalk.com/map.php?rma3fk Last edited by vo2max99; 04-22-2012 at 05:12 AM.

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