I want to trade 2010 nismo for a zl1 camaro

speedfreek · 06-05-2012, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Don't be jealous of my superior grass grip skillz!

Roads?!?! Who needs roads...

Or thought you were in a WRX for a split second and wanted to test out that AWD haha.

m4a1mustang · 06-05-2012, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by speedfreek

Roads?!?! Who needs roads...

Or thought you were in a WRX for a split second and wanted to test out that AWD haha.

Fire · 06-05-2012, 11:23 AM

m4 was testing the pucker factor of his 'stang. I think it took some industrial cleaner to get the recaro's clean.

sonic370 · 06-05-2012, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

You can definitely get banned over there for not kissing ***. Most of the time your threads just get locked instantly and you get threatening PMs from mods and members!

They really live in a different world over there... it's intense.

I think it's called penis envy........

Lemers · 06-05-2012, 11:36 AM

Or propaganda

370z4Steve · 06-05-2012, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemers

It weighs more
It has less HP
It has a gas guzzler tax

The only thing 2 that the Zl1 has over the GT500 is its magnetic suspension and IRS.

Still on a track it's weight is a huge disadvantage in the curves where ZL1 fans say it will crush the GT500.

I'm not sold on that.

However a 2013 GT500 Mustang with comparable options which means it needs the SVT performance and the Track Pack will cost more than a base ZL1 which has all the goodies to begin with...about $5-6K more that and well have fun finding a Ford dealer that will sell one @ MSRP or without a markup of at least $10K

BTW I love both cars ....

It will be interesting to see an road course comparo's between the (2) but i dont think the difference will be that great either...

DCNISMO · 06-05-2012, 06:51 PM

I bet insurance on a ZL1 or Shelby will be pretty high regardless of age. High insurance rates also helped kill muscle cars back in the day. Plus once a few get wadded up rates will go up, and they will get crashed. Both are great cars though for the dollar amount.

cossie1600 · 06-05-2012, 08:20 PM

Have you looked at the rates for the 350? It's not that much better.....

Lemers · 06-05-2012, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 370z4Steve

However a 2013 GT500 Mustang with comparable options which means it needs the SVT performance and the Track Pack will cost more than a base ZL1 which has all the goodies to begin with...about $5-6K more that and well have fun finding a Ford dealer that will sell one @ MSRP or without a markup of at least $10K

BTW I love both cars ....

It will be interesting to see an road course comparo's between the (2) but i dont think the difference will be that great either...

No they are both 55k starting and I'd still like to see both in base configuration go against each other. Now the 5 to 6K that you are talking about are the performance pack $3500 and the track pack $2000. The PP is the suspension and the TP is the coolers.

At $55k the GT500 is still a faster car.

And the ZL1 buyer has to pay guzzler tax of $1300 for MT and $2600 for AT. And go to the pump more often.

Fire · 06-05-2012, 10:11 PM

Lemers when you pay $60,000 for a car neither the gas guzzler tax nor gas mileage is a factor. Sounds like you need both additions on the GT500 to track it. The only options on the ZL1 are appearance. So I would say that the base GT500 is a drag car and you need the $5500 for road racing. You don't need any options on the ZL1 to do either. Chevy has already said that the power train is still under factory warranty while you track the car, is Ford that willing to back it's product? Just cause you mentioned the options I went to the Ford site. To build a GT500 like my ZL1 is optioned is $63,500 for the GT500 and $58,000 for the ZL1. I can buy an underdrive sfi rated crank pulley and tuner to make over 650 hp and still add a cold air intake for under $60,000. BTW I do have atleast $2,000 earmarked for just these mods, plus another $1,000 for some body mods.

Lemers · 06-05-2012, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire

Lemers when you pay $60,000 for a car neither the gas guzzler tax nor gas mileage is a factor. Sounds like you need both additions on the GT500 to track it. The only options on the ZL1 are appearance. So I would say that the base GT500 is a drag car and you need the $5500 for road racing. You don't need any options on the ZL1 to do either. Chevy has already said that the power train is still under factory warranty while you track the car, is Ford that willing to back it's product?

The so then you are paying about $57k for the base ZL1 even more is you want the auto and the GT500 is $57.5K with only the PP or $60k with both. So $3000 isn't a factor?

Fire · 06-05-2012, 10:43 PM

Nope $58,000 is with the MT, sunroof, stripe package and suede interior package.

Lemers · 06-05-2012, 10:51 PM

Plus 1300 for the gas guzzler makes it $59.3k

Fire · 06-05-2012, 10:52 PM

Very slightly rounded numbers are as follows for the GT500: Base $54,000, SVT Perf. package $3,500, SVT Track pack. $3,000, glass roof $2,000, 19/20inch alum wheels free, total $63,500.

Fire · 06-05-2012, 10:53 PM

My final price for my car is $58,000. That is with dest. charge, gas guzzler and anything else.

06-05-2012, 11:23 AM	#318 (permalink)
Fire A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: WNY Posts: 4,117 Drives: 12 ZL1 6mt black Rep Power: 42	m4 was testing the pucker factor of his 'stang. I think it took some industrial cleaner to get the recaro's clean. __________________ 2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1 6MT coupe Back N' Black. 680hp

06-05-2012, 11:36 AM	#320 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 52	Or propaganda __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

06-05-2012, 10:11 PM	#325 (permalink)
Fire A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: WNY Posts: 4,117 Drives: 12 ZL1 6mt black Rep Power: 42	Lemers when you pay $60,000 for a car neither the gas guzzler tax nor gas mileage is a factor. Sounds like you need both additions on the GT500 to track it. The only options on the ZL1 are appearance. So I would say that the base GT500 is a drag car and you need the $5500 for road racing. You don't need any options on the ZL1 to do either. Chevy has already said that the power train is still under factory warranty while you track the car, is Ford that willing to back it's product? Just cause you mentioned the options I went to the Ford site. To build a GT500 like my ZL1 is optioned is $63,500 for the GT500 and $58,000 for the ZL1. I can buy an underdrive sfi rated crank pulley and tuner to make over 650 hp and still add a cold air intake for under $60,000. BTW I do have atleast $2,000 earmarked for just these mods, plus another $1,000 for some body mods. __________________ 2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1 6MT coupe Back N' Black. 680hp Last edited by Fire; 06-05-2012 at 10:39 PM.

06-05-2012, 10:43 PM	#327 (permalink)
Fire A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: WNY Posts: 4,117 Drives: 12 ZL1 6mt black Rep Power: 42	Nope $58,000 is with the MT, sunroof, stripe package and suede interior package. __________________ 2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1 6MT coupe Back N' Black. 680hp

06-05-2012, 10:51 PM	#328 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 52	Plus 1300 for the gas guzzler makes it $59.3k __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

06-05-2012, 06:51 PM	#322 (permalink)
DCNISMO Track Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: washington dc Posts: 995 Drives: Nismo Z Rep Power: 178	I bet insurance on a ZL1 or Shelby will be pretty high regardless of age. High insurance rates also helped kill muscle cars back in the day. Plus once a few get wadded up rates will go up, and they will get crashed. Both are great cars though for the dollar amount.

06-05-2012, 08:20 PM	#323 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 29	Have you looked at the rates for the 350? It's not that much better.....

06-05-2012, 10:52 PM	#329 (permalink)
Fire A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: WNY Posts: 4,117 Drives: 12 ZL1 6mt black Rep Power: 42	Very slightly rounded numbers are as follows for the GT500: Base $54,000, SVT Perf. package $3,500, SVT Track pack. $3,000, glass roof $2,000, 19/20inch alum wheels free, total $63,500. __________________ 2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1 6MT coupe Back N' Black. 680hp

06-05-2012, 10:53 PM	#330 (permalink)
Fire A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: WNY Posts: 4,117 Drives: 12 ZL1 6mt black Rep Power: 42	My final price for my car is $58,000. That is with dest. charge, gas guzzler and anything else. __________________ 2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1 6MT coupe Back N' Black. 680hp

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