370z vs BRZ.......

Shamu · 01-17-2012, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Maybe if you tell all the guys in evos how bad macpherson struts are, they will stop beating you.

I imagine the suspension borrows heavily from the Subaru BOK surrounding struts....I have high expectations.

Give Sporty Spice Aluminum multilink strut suspension, AWD, and 400 hp and it might be in the ball game. Lol! Haven't had a Subaru even in ball park against the Z. Beat a 2500 lb 400 hp XP STi on regular basis. And he has done tons of suspension work. He should have my poorly prepared SP car no problem. Haven't had a stock Evo event come close to beating my Z this past season. It's the SP EVOs that have huge HP advantage that beat my car currently. My Z is still making close to stock HP. And national level EVO out on big track is equalized with my car due to poor high speed dynamics brought on by limited strut suspension.

People are fooling themselves if they think this car is anything special. It all spice and where's the beef? Sure with $20k in suspension work you might have something that holds tires where they need to be, can't wait to see all ridiculous TRD suspension braces for the Toyota. The car is a loser. It's too bad as I had higher hopes.

But I would expect a Mustang guy to think any independent suspension is earth shattering.

Lol!

Being one of first guys to develop Totyota Echo in the US I have plenty of experience running light cars with crappy suspensions. They are tons of fun just like this 150 HP 1800 lb Echo race car. http://www.streetfire.net/video/150-...cho_120833.htm. But still BRZ isn't a serious sports car. It's going to be a short term hit for all toyota and Subaru people who haven't driven a nicely balanced rear wheel car.

But sorry the BRZ/ft86 in current state are losers as enthusiast Sports cars. just watch it at SCCA Solo competition, it won't come close to class leading Miatas. they will likely need to drop it to less competive lclass with Scion TC and other sissy low powered FWD cars. It will do well there.

Alchemy · 01-18-2012, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Shamu

Give Sporty Spice Aluminum multilink strut suspension, AWD, and 400 hp and it might be in the ball game. Lol! Haven't had a Subaru even in ball park. Beat a 2500 lb 400 hp XP STi on regular basis. And he has done tons of suspension work. He should have my poorly prepared SP car no problem. Haven't had a stock Evo event come close to beating my Z this past season. It's the SP EVOs that have huge HP advantage that beat my car currently. My Z is still making close to stock HP. And national level EVO out on big track is equalized with my car due to poor high speed dynamics brought on by limited strut suspension.

People are fooling themselves if they think this car is anything special. It all spice no meat.

But I would expect a Mustang guy to think any independent suspension is earth shattering. Lol!

Oh snap, Im outta here before this gets ugly....

Rooster89 · 01-18-2012, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Shamu

Give Sporty Spice Aluminum multilink strut suspension, AWD, and 400 hp and it might be in the ball game. Lol! Haven't had a Subaru even in ball park against the Z. Beat a 2500 lb 400 hp XP STi on regular basis. And he has done tons of suspension work. He should have my poorly prepared SP car no problem. Haven't had a stock Evo event come close to beating my Z this past season. It's the SP EVOs that have huge HP advantage that beat my car currently. My Z is still making close to stock HP. And national level EVO out on big track is equalized with my car due to poor high speed dynamics brought on by limited strut suspension.

People are fooling themselves if they think this car is anything special. It all spice and where's the beef? Sure with $20k in suspension work you might have something that holds tires where they need to be, can't wait to see all ridiculous TRD suspension braces for the Toyota. The car is a loser. It's too bad as I had higher hopes.

But I would expect a Mustang guy to think any independent suspension is earth shattering. Lol!

Please lets leave the mustangs out of this

Masa · 01-18-2012, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Shamu

Give Sporty Spice Aluminum multilink strut suspension, AWD, and 400 hp and it might be in the ball game. Lol! Haven't had a Subaru even in ball park against the Z. Beat a 2500 lb 400 hp XP STi on regular basis. And he has done tons of suspension work. He should have my poorly prepared SP car no problem. Haven't had a stock Evo event come close to beating my Z this past season. It's the SP EVOs that have huge HP advantage that beat my car currently. My Z is still making close to stock HP. And national level EVO out on big track is equalized with my car due to poor high speed dynamics brought on by limited strut suspension.

People are fooling themselves if they think this car is anything special. It all spice and where's the beef? Sure with $20k in suspension work you might have something that holds tires where they need to be, can't wait to see all ridiculous TRD suspension braces for the Toyota. The car is a loser. It's too bad as I had higher hopes.

But I would expect a Mustang guy to think any independent suspension is earth shattering. Lol!

You do realize the new Mustang is faster than the Z around a track right? Solid rear axle and all...

Oh yeah... IBTL.

Alchemy · 01-18-2012, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Masa

You do realize the new Mustang is faster than the Z around a track right? Solid rear axle and all...

Oh yeah... IBTL.

Hey Masa, rather than using a sketch of your likeness as a profile photo why dont you use a REAL pic???

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Masa · 01-18-2012, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Alchemy

Hey Masa, rather than using a sketch of your likeness as a profile photo why dont you use a REAL pic???

OMG do you have cameras in my house???? Stalker!!

Alchemy · 01-18-2012, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Masa

OMG do you have cameras in my house???? Stalker!!

Pharmacist · 01-18-2012, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Masa

You do realize the new Mustang is faster than the Z around a track right? Solid rear axle and all...

as it should, with 2 more cylinders, 1.3 more litres, and 80 more hp. Compare the z against the v6 mustang which has about the same straight line performance, and the z is faster.

Masa · 01-18-2012, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

as it should, with 2 more cylinders, 1.3 more litres, and 80 more hp. Compare the z against the v6 mustang which has about the same straight line performance, and the z is faster.

You're right and you don't even really have to compare it to the current V6 and V8 offerings of the Mustang which are updates. The Z has yet to be updated and it has been out since 08' and when compared to the V6 and V8 Mustangs of that time it soundly beats them.

I just love it when people get all defensive and butt hurt when the Z doesn't come out on top. There will always be someone faster so why stress?

Rooster89 · 01-18-2012, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Masa

There will always be someone faster so why stress?

This is probably the most important point in this thread. Z is faster than leaf and the Aventador is faster than the Z.

8cyl>6cyl>4cyl etc. makes sense.

edub370 · 01-18-2012, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Rooster89

This is probably the most important point in this thread. Z is faster than leaf and the Aventador is faster than the Z.

8cyl>6cyl>4cyl etc. makes sense.

aventador is dumb because... i..... can't....

NISSAN IS BETTER ARRRGHGJNLOMPJMOHINI!!!!!!

Red__Zed · 01-18-2012, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

as it should, with 2 more cylinders, 1.3 more litres, and 80 more hp. Compare the z against the v6 mustang which has about the same straight line performance, and the z is faster.

Depends where you run.

The z walks away in a straight line from the current v6.

m4a1mustang · 01-18-2012, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Depends where you run.

The z walks away in a straight line from the current v6.

Basically anywhere that speeds might exceed 118 mph.

Red__Zed · 01-18-2012, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Basically anywhere that speeds might exceed 118 mph.

Boom, driveshaft everywhere

Red__Zed · 01-18-2012, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Shamu

Give Sporty Spice Aluminum multilink strut suspension, AWD, and 400 hp and it might be in the ball game. Lol! Haven't had a Subaru even in ball park against the Z. Beat a 2500 lb 400 hp XP STi on regular basis. And he has done tons of suspension work. He should have my poorly prepared SP car no problem. Haven't had a stock Evo event come close to beating my Z this past season. It's the SP EVOs that have huge HP advantage that beat my car currently. My Z is still making close to stock HP. And national level EVO out on big track is equalized with my car due to poor high speed dynamics brought on by limited strut suspension.

People are fooling themselves if they think this car is anything special. It all spice and where's the beef? Sure with $20k in suspension work you might have something that holds tires where they need to be, can't wait to see all ridiculous TRD suspension braces for the Toyota. The car is a loser. It's too bad as I had higher hopes.

But I would expect a Mustang guy to think any independent suspension is earth shattering.

Lol!

Being one of first guys to develop Totyota Echo in the US I have plenty of experience running light cars with crappy suspensions. They are tons of fun just like this 150 HP 1800 lb Echo race car. 150+ HP TOYOTA ECHO - Car Videos on StreetFire. But still BRZ isn't a serious sports car. It's going to be a short term hit for all toyota and Subaru people who haven't driven a nicely balanced rear wheel car.

But sorry the BRZ/ft86 in current state are losers as enthusiast Sports cars. just watch it at SCCA Solo competition, it won't come close to class leading Miatas. they will likely need to drop it to less competive lclass with Scion TC and other sissy low powered FWD cars. It will do well there.

Sounds like you're still bitter that ProSolo D stock wrx's run tied with C-stock z's in run time with a 40mm tire deficit. I'd be mad too.

And on the mustang front (don't know why you feel that is relevant), how'd b stock nismos run against the f stock grouping this year?

Have you taken the time to call BMW yet? I'm sure they would love to know they've been using an epically poor suspension layout, and I'm honestly surprised no one has told them yet. No wonder their cars don't have any success in racing series.

Realistically, of course there are trade offs, but there's literally no reason to bitch about the layout. Subaru does it well, and I highly doubt the car will be notably held back.