370z vs BRZ.......

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-16-2012, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Footloose301

I've seen a couple different designs with the BRZ and I don't mind it. It's somewhat light-weight, and with different tail lights and some lowering springs it'll look decent, but it really needs a turbo charged engine with about 270HP to keep with the 370Z given it's weight.

As a consumer you'll have to weigh each pro and con and figure what really suits you best. If you'll looking for something with a $25k price point then the BRZ will have a full warranty, until you mod it, and the Z will be out of a warranty for the most part. Besides, I always like to be the first person to fart in my car so I would lean towards the BRZ.

You know the aftermarket will be huge with those cars and I'm guessing it'll be larger than the Z aftermarket. Some companies like Cobb even gave up on us. The BRZ is priced for the younger generation and I bet parts will be cheaper too.

I am very happy with my 370Z and I would never trade it for a BRZ but so many people are trashing the car already. Competition is healthy, come on people. Hopefully these Scion TC's will stop being produced because they're taking over. I see 3 on every corner.

Dsport test drove the FR-S and nearly crashed it. In a side article they said subaru already has a 270hp engine ready to go but they haven't said ye or ne on that powerplant. Dsport speculated if in fact they do bring it out? It will be in two years or so???

alcheng · 01-16-2012, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Dsport test drove the FR-S and nearly crashed it. In a side article they said subaru already has a 270hp engine ready to go. But they haven't. Said ye or ne on that powerplant. Dsport speculated if in fact they do bring it out? It will be in two years or so???

Even with the 270hp, it's still not quite enough to fall into the 300+ 'standard' nowadays, unless, the chassis is extremely well tuned.

I am wondering, if Toyota/Subaru want to make a sports couple, why couldn't they do it 'properly', I mean at least with more horses that can compete with the V6 coupes out there, since there is not too many choices in that category.

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-16-2012, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by alcheng

Even with the 270hp, it's still not quite enough to fall into the 300+ 'standard' nowadays, unless, the chassis is extremely well tuned.

I am wondering, if Toyota/Subaru want to make a sports couple, why couldn't they do it 'properly', I mean at least with more horses that can compete with the V6 coupes out there, since there is not too many choices in that category.

Well again, kinda comparing apples to oranges. The Z is approx a 3300lb vehicle. At its barest, 3232Lbs.
The subaru BRZ is at 2700 approx lbs. Which probably puts the Z and turbo brz in the same hp to weight ratio. Not to mention FI is a much more valid modifier.

I mean I'm not even going to pass any judgement till the turbo is on a track and competing. The BRZ seems like a pretty good pkg for what it is.

370Zsteve · 01-16-2012, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Well again, kinda comparing apples to oranges. The Z is approx a 3300lb vehicle. At its barest, 3232Lbs.
The subaru BRZ is at 2700 approx lbs. Which probably puts the Z and turbo brz in the same hp to weight ratio. Not to mention FI is a much more valid modifier.

I mean I'm not even going to pass any judgement till the turbo is on a track and competing. The BRZ seems like a pretty good pkg for what it is.

2700 lbs curb weight and 270hp is a nice package. And when gasoline hits $5-$6 gal it's gonna be a sweet spot.

alcheng · 01-16-2012, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

2700 lbs curb weight and 270hp is a nice package. And when gasoline hits $5-$6 gal it's gonna be a sweet spot.

Will the 270hp BRZ still weight at 2700lb? With higher horsepower, weight from the add-on such as turbo, bigger brakes, bigger wheels, chassis reinforcement and here and there.... It will NOT add 600lbs, but it will add some weight for sure, also, turbo wont deliver its true power until it kicks-in.

By the time the 270hp BRZ hit the road, there might be a 400z running around the street.

Red__Zed · 01-16-2012, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Dsport test drove the FR-S and nearly crashed it. In a side article they said subaru already has a 270hp engine ready to go but they haven't said ye or ne on that powerplant. Dsport speculated if in fact they do bring it out? It will be in two years or so???

Stopped reading at "dsport"

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-16-2012, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Stopped reading at "dsport"

Don't really care but thanks.

Red__Zed · 01-16-2012, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Don't really care but thanks.

When you say "dsport says", car guys read "some guy pulled out of his a$$"

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-16-2012, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

When you say "dsport says", car guys read "some guy pulled out of his a$$"

In this case it doesn't really matter. Its a preliminary review of a car that's not out yet and its a vague source of info that does give some kind of useful info. What mattered to me is that they had knowledge of subie having builtn the turbo engine for this car and a mild possibility of one coming out in the future. That's all I care about. Not so much anything else. So I still don't get your point? D sport sucks. We know. But if I'm in the supermarket and a FR_S is on the cover. I'm going to open it and read what they claim to know. Just cuz.

Shamu · 01-16-2012, 08:55 PM

Can I have some fries with those McStruts?

BRZ and FT86 are "Sporty Spice" of cars. Its not a serious sports car. At least "budget" Miata has double wishbone suspension! Spicy sport BRZ isn't even close to same league as 370 Z GT car.

Toyota as usual comes up way short on suspension. And they have stuck to under powered over priced formula. It's only redeeming quality is rear drive.

370Zsteve · 01-16-2012, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Shamu

Can I have some fries with those McStruts?

BRZ and FT86 are "Sporty Spice" of cars. Its not a serious sports car. At least "budget" Miata has double wishbone suspension! Spicy sport BRZ isn't even close to same league as 370 Z GT car.

Toyota as usual comes up way short on suspension. And they have stuck to under powered over priced formula. It's only redeeming quality is rear drive.

Yeah, struts suck.

2012 Porsche 911 S

Red__Zed · 01-17-2012, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Shamu

Can I have some fries with those McStruts?

BRZ and FT86 are "Sporty Spice" of cars. Its not a serious sports car. At least "budget" Miata has double wishbone suspension! Spicy sport BRZ isn't even close to same league as 370 Z GT car.

Toyota as usual comes up way short on suspension. And they have stuck to under powered over priced formula. It's only redeeming quality is rear drive.

Maybe if you tell all the guys in evos how bad macpherson struts are, they will stop beating you.

I imagine the suspension borrows heavily from the Subaru BOK surrounding struts....I have high expectations.

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Shamu A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 1,059 Drives: 370Z Racecar Rep Power: 21	Can I have some fries with those McStruts? BRZ and FT86 are "Sporty Spice" of cars. Its not a serious sports car. At least "budget" Miata has double wishbone suspension! Spicy sport BRZ isn't even close to same league as 370 Z GT car. Toyota as usual comes up way short on suspension. And they have stuck to under powered over priced formula. It's only redeeming quality is rear drive. __________________ Grant Last edited by Shamu; 01-16-2012 at 09:02 PM.