Lots of wrecked Z's...

Red__Zed · 12-28-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

never driven a z06, or any other rwd car for that matter. but i'd say the z is better balanced and better handling than the corvette. it comes from the factory with a hint of understeer, and you can cure that on the track with a bit of throttle to push it into neutral. so on the road, unless you do something stupid like hard throttle on a slippery road, you won't get the snap oversteer and fishtailing you can get with corvettes. keep the vdc on when it's raining or snowing and you'll be fine.

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

And we're trying to figure out the best daily driver car. The point was that a less powerful car is easier and friendlier to drive on the streets than a more powerful car. i.e. a 370z would be easier to drive on the street than a z06 because less chances of power oversteer.

better balance + better handling = better daily driver?

if you are fretting accidental power oversteer, you shouldn't be trusted with pointy objects, much less a car

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

better balance + better handling = better daily driver?

if you are fretting accidental power oversteer, you shouldn't be trusted with pointy objects, much less a car

Do you realize the context of this thread? The OP is talking about daily driving on the street, not on the track. Balance and handling in this context is not taking a corner at 1 g and clipping the apex. It's things like emergency lane change manoeuver, emergency braking, taking sharp right angle corners on rain, dust, or even snow covered roads, ease of driving even when the driver is not focused 100%, etc. Yes, power oversteer is a concern when driving on the street. Everyone says it can be managed with an experienced driver, and yes that's true. But the point is still it's more difficult to manage a more powerful car than a less powerful car as a daily driver.

Red__Zed · 12-28-2011, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

Do you realize the context of this thread? The OP is talking about daily driving on the street, not on the track. Balance and handling in this context is not taking a corner at 1 g and clipping the apex. It's things like emergency lane change manoeuver, emergency braking, taking sharp right angle corners on rain, dust, or even snow covered roads, ease of driving even when the driver is not focused 100%, etc. Yes, power oversteer is a concern when driving on the street. Everyone says it can be managed with an experienced driver, and yes that's true. But the point is still it's more difficult to manage a more powerful car than a less powerful car as a daily driver.

better "balance" and "handling" do not translate to better street manners. You are using the wrong words if you are trying to talk about the car's response to road situations.

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

better "balance" and "handling" do not translate to better street manners. You are using the wrong words if you are trying to talk about the car's response to road situations.

ok, if semantics are bothing you so much, lets call it "street manners"

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2011, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

Do you realize the context of this thread? The OP is talking about daily driving on the street, not on the track. Balance and handling in this context is not taking a corner at 1 g and clipping the apex. It's things like emergency lane change manoeuver, emergency braking, taking sharp right angle corners on rain, dust, or even snow covered roads, ease of driving even when the driver is not focused 100%, etc. Yes, power oversteer is a concern when driving on the street. Everyone says it can be managed with an experienced driver, and yes that's true. But the point is still it's more difficult to manage a more powerful car than a less powerful car as a daily driver.

Maybe for a driver with limited RWD experience.

Jeffblue · 12-28-2011, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

Do you realize the context of this thread? The OP is talking about daily driving on the street, not on the track. Balance and handling in this context is not taking a corner at 1 g and clipping the apex. It's things like emergency lane change manoeuver, emergency braking, taking sharp right angle corners on rain, dust, or even snow covered roads, ease of driving even when the driver is not focused 100%, etc. Yes, power oversteer is a concern when driving on the street. Everyone says it can be managed with an experienced driver, and yes that's true. But the point is still it's more difficult to manage a more powerful car than a less powerful car as a daily driver.

If the 'situation' you are in really requires you to have a high performance sports car to avoid an accident, you really need to be paying more attention. the handling characteristcs of your car shouldn't play into your ability to avoid an accident. for gods sake... pay attention. the 370z's handling/braking abilities that it has over a, corolla, are not enough to save you in a bad situation. Sports cars don't handle and brake well to avoid accidents.

with your logic, any fast accelerating car is designed to out run a runaway truck, brake before hitting children as you speed through a school zone, and able to swerve to avoid hitting cute puppies.

what is the most powerful car you have driven?

roplusbee · 12-28-2011, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

If the 'situation' you are in really requires you to have a high performance sports car to avoid an accident, you really need to be paying more attention. the handling characteristcs of your car shouldn't play into your ability to avoid an accident. for gods sake... pay attention. the 370z's handling/braking abilities that it has over a, corolla, are not enough to save you in a bad situation. Sports cars don't handle and brake well to avoid accidents.

with your logic, any fast accelerating car is designed to out run a runaway truck, brake before hitting children as you speed through a school zone, and able to swerve to avoid hitting cute puppies.
what is the most powerful car you have driven?

Dude, I live by that statement...............

FL 4Motion · 12-28-2011, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

It's just so simple. I mean, the SRT-10 makes something around 200 hp at 3,500 rpm or so. Probably something on the order of 400 lb-ft at that RPM. Totally driveable with a good snow tire and weight over the rear, especially with the tall gearing!

I just went back and reread what I wrote and I think you misunderstood me. What I meant to convey was that your confidence is just so damn sexy!

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2011, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

I just went back and reread what I wrote and I think you misunderstood me. What I meant to convey was that your confidence is just so damn sexy!

This thread is serious business... PM me for fun.

No really, PM me...

FL 4Motion · 12-28-2011, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

This thread is serious business... PM me for fun.

No really, PM me...

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

If the 'situation' you are in really requires you to have a high performance sports car to avoid an accident, you really need to be paying more attention. the handling characteristcs of your car shouldn't play into your ability to avoid an accident. for gods sake... pay attention. the 370z's handling/braking abilities that it has over a, corolla, are not enough to save you in a bad situation. Sports cars don't handle and brake well to avoid accidents.

with your logic, any fast accelerating car is designed to out run a runaway truck, brake before hitting children as you speed through a school zone, and able to swerve to avoid hitting cute puppies.

what is the most powerful car you have driven?

way to go putting all sorts of words in my mouth. Where did i ever say any of this?

Mt Tam I am · 12-30-2011, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

theres no rear brakes in a tricycle....

Then mod it!

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