Lots of wrecked Z's...

Red__Zed · 12-28-2011, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

We're a small community. The accident count is amplified by our low numbers on the road. Let's say 20,000 out of 200,000 camaros have been in an accident. That's 10% of all camaros.
But 3000 out of 30000 Z had accidents. Though the ratio of accidents is the same. The impact is felt greater from the lower numbers. So 180k people haven't gotten into accidents vs only 27k Z's that haven't gotten into accidents. Its a play on numbers. People are getting into accidents because there a lot of stupid drivers on the road.

Please expand on your logic here.

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2011, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Please expand on your logic here.

I get what he's trying to say, but it is a moot point unless we actually have real numbers to compare. And then the only way to compare is as a % of ownership, so total units doesn't really matter.

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Please expand on your logic here.

agreed. There does seem to be a perception based on this forum that 370z are getting into wrecks more often than normal. Maybe its true or maybe it's just an artifact of the low number of Z's already on the road like Unknown said. The only way we'll know is if we can access statistics about accident rates. Insurance companies I think might have this kind of data. How can it be accessed?

Red__Zed · 12-28-2011, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

agreed. There does seem to be a perception based on this forum that 370z are getting into wrecks more often than normal. Maybe its true or maybe it's just an artifact of the low number of Z's already on the road like Unknown said. The only way we'll know is if we can access statistics about accident rates. Insurance companies I think might have this kind of data. How can it be accessed?

Most insurance companies are pretty tight-lipped with it since it is proprietary and gives a window into their strategy. IIHS might be your best bet.

HLDI: Insurance losses by make and model

Take from that what you will.

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Most insurance companies are pretty tight-lipped with it since it is proprietary and gives a window into their strategy. IIHS might be your best bet.

HLDI: Insurance losses by make and model

Take from that what you will.

what are those numbers? total claims? based on that table alone, it seems the GT-R is a collision magnet

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2011, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

what are those numbers? total claims? based on that table alone, it seems the GT-R is a collision magnet

"Loss results are stated in relative terms (100 represents the average result for all vehicles in each loss coverage category). Colors indicate results in relation to the average for all vehicles:"

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

"Loss results are stated in relative terms (100 represents the average result for all vehicles in each loss coverage category). Colors indicate results in relation to the average for all vehicles:"

What is the "average" though? Average sports car, or average of everything with 4 wheels on the road? The numbers seem to indicate the Z is much worse than average. Same with almost every other sports car there. Most are in the red or dark red. For some bizzare reason coupes seem to do worse than convertibles of the same car. And FWIW based on those stats, the miata is the safest sports car to buy

Red__Zed · 12-28-2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

What is the "average" though? Average sports car, or average of everything with 4 wheels on the road? The numbers seem to indicate the Z is much worse than average. Same with almost every other sports car there. Most are in the red or dark red. For some bizzare reason coupes seem to do worse than convertibles of the same car. And FWIW based on those stats, the miata is the safest sports car to buy

it's relative to other sports cars.

convertibles tend to have lower loss rates because of the type of owner that is attracted to them

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

What is the "average" though? Average sports car, or average of everything with 4 wheels on the road? The numbers seem to indicate the Z is much worse than average. Same with almost every other sports car there. Most are in the red or dark red. For some bizzare reason coupes seem to do worse than convertibles of the same car. And FWIW based on those stats, the miata is the safest sports car to buy

"Loss results are stated in relative terms (100 represents the average result for all vehicles in each loss coverage category). Colors indicate results in relation to the average for all vehicles:"

The average is 100.

The average is determined by all of the cars in each class. If you look at the right side of the website, it shows you different classes.

In this case, 100 is the average for "Sports Models." So this would imply that the 370Z is 88% above average in terms of collision, but 12% below average in property damage.

It's simple, really.

Also, you keep dancing around the other point I keep making...

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