Lots of wrecked Z's...

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

jesus christ... might as well ask "which of these cars would you rather drive in the middle of a blizzard, drunk, while getting a BJ from megan fox?" he said that he would feel comfortable driving any of them. enough said

so are you trying to figure out which is the best car to own just in case you need to recover or brake last minute if run into the circumstance that you are driving in terrible weather and not paying attention?

well, i can take care of the drunk part. mother nature is taking care of the blizzard. Now it's up to you to take care of getting me the BJ from megan fox part, and I'll be happy to test your theory

And we're trying to figure out the best daily driver car. The point was that a less powerful car is easier and friendlier to drive on the streets than a more powerful car. i.e. a 370z would be easier to drive on the street than a z06 because less chances of power oversteer.

Red__Zed · 12-28-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

never driven a z06, or any other rwd car for that matter. but i'd say the z is better balanced and better handling than the corvette. it comes from the factory with a hint of understeer, and you can cure that on the track with a bit of throttle to push it into neutral. so on the road, unless you do something stupid like hard throttle on a slippery road, you won't get the snap oversteer and fishtailing you can get with corvettes. keep the vdc on when it's raining or snowing and you'll be fine.

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

And we're trying to figure out the best daily driver car. The point was that a less powerful car is easier and friendlier to drive on the streets than a more powerful car. i.e. a 370z would be easier to drive on the street than a z06 because less chances of power oversteer.

better balance + better handling = better daily driver?

if you are fretting accidental power oversteer, you shouldn't be trusted with pointy objects, much less a car

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

better balance + better handling = better daily driver?

if you are fretting accidental power oversteer, you shouldn't be trusted with pointy objects, much less a car

Do you realize the context of this thread? The OP is talking about daily driving on the street, not on the track. Balance and handling in this context is not taking a corner at 1 g and clipping the apex. It's things like emergency lane change manoeuver, emergency braking, taking sharp right angle corners on rain, dust, or even snow covered roads, ease of driving even when the driver is not focused 100%, etc. Yes, power oversteer is a concern when driving on the street. Everyone says it can be managed with an experienced driver, and yes that's true. But the point is still it's more difficult to manage a more powerful car than a less powerful car as a daily driver.

Red__Zed · 12-28-2011, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

Do you realize the context of this thread? The OP is talking about daily driving on the street, not on the track. Balance and handling in this context is not taking a corner at 1 g and clipping the apex. It's things like emergency lane change manoeuver, emergency braking, taking sharp right angle corners on rain, dust, or even snow covered roads, ease of driving even when the driver is not focused 100%, etc. Yes, power oversteer is a concern when driving on the street. Everyone says it can be managed with an experienced driver, and yes that's true. But the point is still it's more difficult to manage a more powerful car than a less powerful car as a daily driver.

better "balance" and "handling" do not translate to better street manners. You are using the wrong words if you are trying to talk about the car's response to road situations.

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

better "balance" and "handling" do not translate to better street manners. You are using the wrong words if you are trying to talk about the car's response to road situations.

ok, if semantics are bothing you so much, lets call it "street manners"

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2011, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

Do you realize the context of this thread? The OP is talking about daily driving on the street, not on the track. Balance and handling in this context is not taking a corner at 1 g and clipping the apex. It's things like emergency lane change manoeuver, emergency braking, taking sharp right angle corners on rain, dust, or even snow covered roads, ease of driving even when the driver is not focused 100%, etc. Yes, power oversteer is a concern when driving on the street. Everyone says it can be managed with an experienced driver, and yes that's true. But the point is still it's more difficult to manage a more powerful car than a less powerful car as a daily driver.

Maybe for a driver with limited RWD experience.

Jeffblue · 12-28-2011, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

Do you realize the context of this thread? The OP is talking about daily driving on the street, not on the track. Balance and handling in this context is not taking a corner at 1 g and clipping the apex. It's things like emergency lane change manoeuver, emergency braking, taking sharp right angle corners on rain, dust, or even snow covered roads, ease of driving even when the driver is not focused 100%, etc. Yes, power oversteer is a concern when driving on the street. Everyone says it can be managed with an experienced driver, and yes that's true. But the point is still it's more difficult to manage a more powerful car than a less powerful car as a daily driver.

If the 'situation' you are in really requires you to have a high performance sports car to avoid an accident, you really need to be paying more attention. the handling characteristcs of your car shouldn't play into your ability to avoid an accident. for gods sake... pay attention. the 370z's handling/braking abilities that it has over a, corolla, are not enough to save you in a bad situation. Sports cars don't handle and brake well to avoid accidents.

with your logic, any fast accelerating car is designed to out run a runaway truck, brake before hitting children as you speed through a school zone, and able to swerve to avoid hitting cute puppies.

what is the most powerful car you have driven?

roplusbee · 12-28-2011, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

If the 'situation' you are in really requires you to have a high performance sports car to avoid an accident, you really need to be paying more attention. the handling characteristcs of your car shouldn't play into your ability to avoid an accident. for gods sake... pay attention. the 370z's handling/braking abilities that it has over a, corolla, are not enough to save you in a bad situation. Sports cars don't handle and brake well to avoid accidents.

with your logic, any fast accelerating car is designed to out run a runaway truck, brake before hitting children as you speed through a school zone, and able to swerve to avoid hitting cute puppies.
what is the most powerful car you have driven?

Dude, I live by that statement...............

FL 4Motion · 12-28-2011, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

It's just so simple. I mean, the SRT-10 makes something around 200 hp at 3,500 rpm or so. Probably something on the order of 400 lb-ft at that RPM. Totally driveable with a good snow tire and weight over the rear, especially with the tall gearing!

I just went back and reread what I wrote and I think you misunderstood me. What I meant to convey was that your confidence is just so damn sexy!

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2011, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

I just went back and reread what I wrote and I think you misunderstood me. What I meant to convey was that your confidence is just so damn sexy!

This thread is serious business... PM me for fun.

No really, PM me...

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

If the 'situation' you are in really requires you to have a high performance sports car to avoid an accident, you really need to be paying more attention. the handling characteristcs of your car shouldn't play into your ability to avoid an accident. for gods sake... pay attention. the 370z's handling/braking abilities that it has over a, corolla, are not enough to save you in a bad situation. Sports cars don't handle and brake well to avoid accidents.

with your logic, any fast accelerating car is designed to out run a runaway truck, brake before hitting children as you speed through a school zone, and able to swerve to avoid hitting cute puppies.

what is the most powerful car you have driven?

way to go putting all sorts of words in my mouth. Where did i ever say any of this?

Mt Tam I am · 12-30-2011, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

theres no rear brakes in a tricycle....

Then mod it!

Jeffblue · 12-28-2011, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

And we're trying to figure out the best daily driver car. The point was that a less powerful car is easier and friendlier to drive on the streets than a more powerful car. i.e. a 370z would be easier to drive on the street than a z06 because less chances of power oversteer.

really? i thought this thread was actually about why so many people crash their Zs.

lets face it... none of this talk about handling,brake or weight bias, engine placement, horsepower etc really matters or is relevant to this thread. someone who will crash their g35 coupe into a tree would do the same thing in any car, it really doesn't matter. none of this talk about how a car behaves at the brink has anything to do with avoiding accidents. None of the people who post threads about crashing their Z did so at the track. Accidents happen because of a bad sequence of events and/or poor judgement. as far as single car accidents... its usually more the latter, and having more power and a more tail happy car doesn't help, but that has nothing to do with a car being a good daily driver.

if you really want the BEST Daily driver car, its probably going to be something in the 200-350hp range with awd. none of the cars we are talking about in this thread are really daily driver cars. Yes, you can drive them every day, but they aren't meant to get you to work rain or shine.

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

really? i thought this thread was actually about why so many people crash their Zs.

lets face it... none of this talk about handling,brake or weight bias, engine placement, horsepower etc really matters or is relevant to this thread. someone who will crash their g35 coupe into a tree would do the same thing in any car, it really doesn't matter. none of this talk about how a car behaves at the brink has anything to do with avoiding accidents. None of the people who post threads about crashing their Z did so at the track. Accidents happen because of a bad sequence of events and/or poor judgement. as far as single car accidents... its usually more the latter, and having more power and a more tail happy car doesn't help, but that has nothing to do with a car being a good daily driver.

if you really want the BEST Daily driver car, its probably going to be something in the 200-350hp range with awd. none of the cars we are talking about in this thread are really daily driver cars. Yes, you can drive them every day, but they aren't meant to get you to work rain or shine.

partially true. the point though was the OP was originally concerned if there were any sinister handling characteristics of the 370z that lead to so many people crashing them. i told him that there isn't anything to worry about and the z might even be easier and friendlier to drive than a z06. That is the statement that triggered the whole back and forth going on right now

Red__Zed · 12-28-2011, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

partially true. the point though was the OP was originally concerned if there were any sinister handling characteristics of the 370z that lead to so many people crashing them. i told him that there isn't anything to worry about and the z might even be easier and friendlier to drive than a z06. That is the statement that triggered the whole back and forth going on right now

nope, it was this one:

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

never driven a z06, or any other rwd car for that matter. but i'd say the z is better balanced and better handling than the corvette. .

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