Lots of wrecked Z's...

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

The car has ABS/EBD. How the f do you lose your backend braking in a straight line unless you are in the snow or your car is busted. I mean you might hit ice mode and lose all your braking, but very seldom does the car lose the backend and swing it around.

it was snowy. And i didn't lose the back end or anything. The rear just wiggled a bit.

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If I had an SRT-10 Viper I'd obviously have some other cars... but yes, if you said, "Steve... the ONLY car you can drive this winter is an SRT-10" I would slap Blizzaks on it and be fine. Obviously I wouldn't be able to drive in deep snow, but on freshly plowed, snow-packed roads or very light accumulations I would be 100% fine.

You're still assuming you will be at 100% and paying full attention. We're talking about street driving here. Imagine finishing a 12 h shift. You're tired, hungry, and have a headache. And it starts raining or snowing. Rank the following cars according to which one you'll feel safer driving: 1) Viper srt 10, 2) 370z, 3) toyota corolla.

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2011, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

it was snowy. And i didn't lose the back end or anything. The rear just wiggled a bit. You're still assuming you will be at 100% and paying full attention. We're talking about street driving here. Imagine finishing a 12 h shift. You're tired, hungry, and have a headache. And it starts raining or snowing. Rank the following cars according to which one you'll feel safer driving: 1) Viper srt 10, 2) 370z, 3) toyota corolla.

I'd still be fine in either one.

And if I was tired to the point where it was unsafe for me to drive, I wouldn't drive.

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2011, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

it was snowy. And i didn't lose the back end or anything. The rear just wiggled a bit.

Earlier you were implying that all that weight up front made the back step out under hard braking in the snow... now you are saying it just wiggled.

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Earlier you were implying that all that weight up front made the back step out under hard braking in the snow... now you are saying it just wiggled.

no, it just wiggled. it didn't step out as in spin out or anything. Just a bit of wiggling. Like I said, the ABS takes care of it. The point though is too much weight on the front wheels can make the back unstable if you brake too hard.

Red__Zed · 12-28-2011, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

no, it just wiggled. it didn't step out as in spin out or anything. Just a bit of wiggling. Like I said, the ABS takes care of it. The point though is too much weight on the front wheels can make the back unstable if you brake too hard.

and not enough weight on the front end means you don't stop. I'd definitely try to avoid the wiggling though. sounds dangerous.

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

and not enough weight on the front end means you don't stop.

why? You've got 4 brakes. The rear wheels still do provide braking power. If anything, braking the rear wheels helps keep the car pointed straight.

b1adesofcha0s · 12-28-2011, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

it was snowy. And i didn't lose the back end or anything. The rear just wiggled a bit. You're still assuming you will be at 100% and paying full attention. We're talking about street driving here. Imagine finishing a 12 h shift. You're tired, hungry, and have a headache. And it starts raining or snowing. Rank the following cars according to which one you'll feel safer driving: 1) Viper srt 10, 2) 370z, 3) toyota corolla.

You keep changing the situation and conditions to try and force him to not pick the Viper!

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

You keep changing the situation and conditions to try and force him to not pick the Viper!

lol!

Jeffblue · 12-28-2011, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

it was snowy. And i didn't lose the back end or anything. The rear just wiggled a bit. You're still assuming you will be at 100% and paying full attention. We're talking about street driving here. Imagine finishing a 12 h shift. You're tired, hungry, and have a headache. And it starts raining or snowing. Rank the following cars according to which one you'll feel safer driving: 1) Viper srt 10, 2) 370z, 3) toyota corolla.

jesus christ... might as well ask "which of these cars would you rather drive in the middle of a blizzard, drunk, while getting a BJ from megan fox?" he said that he would feel comfortable driving any of them. enough said

so are you trying to figure out which is the best car to own just in case you need to recover or brake last minute if run into the circumstance that you are driving in terrible weather and not paying attention?

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

jesus christ... might as well ask "which of these cars would you rather drive in the middle of a blizzard, drunk, while getting a BJ from megan fox?" he said that he would feel comfortable driving any of them. enough said

so are you trying to figure out which is the best car to own just in case you need to recover or brake last minute if run into the circumstance that you are driving in terrible weather and not paying attention?

well, i can take care of the drunk part. mother nature is taking care of the blizzard. Now it's up to you to take care of getting me the BJ from megan fox part, and I'll be happy to test your theory

And we're trying to figure out the best daily driver car. The point was that a less powerful car is easier and friendlier to drive on the streets than a more powerful car. i.e. a 370z would be easier to drive on the street than a z06 because less chances of power oversteer.

Red__Zed · 12-28-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

never driven a z06, or any other rwd car for that matter. but i'd say the z is better balanced and better handling than the corvette. it comes from the factory with a hint of understeer, and you can cure that on the track with a bit of throttle to push it into neutral. so on the road, unless you do something stupid like hard throttle on a slippery road, you won't get the snap oversteer and fishtailing you can get with corvettes. keep the vdc on when it's raining or snowing and you'll be fine.

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

And we're trying to figure out the best daily driver car. The point was that a less powerful car is easier and friendlier to drive on the streets than a more powerful car. i.e. a 370z would be easier to drive on the street than a z06 because less chances of power oversteer.

better balance + better handling = better daily driver?

if you are fretting accidental power oversteer, you shouldn't be trusted with pointy objects, much less a car

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

better balance + better handling = better daily driver?

if you are fretting accidental power oversteer, you shouldn't be trusted with pointy objects, much less a car

Do you realize the context of this thread? The OP is talking about daily driving on the street, not on the track. Balance and handling in this context is not taking a corner at 1 g and clipping the apex. It's things like emergency lane change manoeuver, emergency braking, taking sharp right angle corners on rain, dust, or even snow covered roads, ease of driving even when the driver is not focused 100%, etc. Yes, power oversteer is a concern when driving on the street. Everyone says it can be managed with an experienced driver, and yes that's true. But the point is still it's more difficult to manage a more powerful car than a less powerful car as a daily driver.

Red__Zed · 12-28-2011, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

Do you realize the context of this thread? The OP is talking about daily driving on the street, not on the track. Balance and handling in this context is not taking a corner at 1 g and clipping the apex. It's things like emergency lane change manoeuver, emergency braking, taking sharp right angle corners on rain, dust, or even snow covered roads, ease of driving even when the driver is not focused 100%, etc. Yes, power oversteer is a concern when driving on the street. Everyone says it can be managed with an experienced driver, and yes that's true. But the point is still it's more difficult to manage a more powerful car than a less powerful car as a daily driver.

better "balance" and "handling" do not translate to better street manners. You are using the wrong words if you are trying to talk about the car's response to road situations.

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

better "balance" and "handling" do not translate to better street manners. You are using the wrong words if you are trying to talk about the car's response to road situations.

ok, if semantics are bothing you so much, lets call it "street manners"

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2011, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

Do you realize the context of this thread? The OP is talking about daily driving on the street, not on the track. Balance and handling in this context is not taking a corner at 1 g and clipping the apex. It's things like emergency lane change manoeuver, emergency braking, taking sharp right angle corners on rain, dust, or even snow covered roads, ease of driving even when the driver is not focused 100%, etc. Yes, power oversteer is a concern when driving on the street. Everyone says it can be managed with an experienced driver, and yes that's true. But the point is still it's more difficult to manage a more powerful car than a less powerful car as a daily driver.

Maybe for a driver with limited RWD experience.

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