2012 Official LineUp Changes

Endgame · 08-01-2011, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Than the Camaro, yes. Than the mustang? I don't know.

What is the 370Z's PPH? The mustang is in the 70's IIRC.
The mustang GT also out-performs the 370Z as a whole. The BOSS annihilates the NISMO.

*If you care about "better designed" regarding interior, I wouldn't get a corvette. The corvette is ALL about the chassis and the engine. The interior is an afterthought and "an embarrassment" (per GM!). The C7 is going to be a LOT! better on the inside, similar power, and more nimble/lighter, according to the best guesses at the moment.

What do you find more fun about the 370Z than the Z06, objectively?

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I love the 370Z, but the bottom line is that Nissan needs to do something to update the car. Ford and GM constantly update their sports-car line-up with little features (Magnetic ride control added to the Z06, another 100bhp added to the mustang for '11, a wide-body corvette replacing the Z51, etc...meaningful ****. Not a "unique shade of gray".)

The 370Z kicked *** in 2009. If this were 2009, it would still be kicking ***--because it hasn't changed ONE BIT, but it's not 2009 anymore (okay...okay...you guys now have back-up cameras OEM optional, and several more titillating shades of gray from which to choose.)

I am waiting for Nissan's next Z platform. I have a feeling that it's going to be epic. One way or another. The next "370Z" and the C7 are the two cars I am looking to choose between for 2013/2014.

The Z is a 'smaller' car and feels more tossable to me; takes less input to 'whip' it through curves. The Z06 does not feel as technical to me. That is not to say the Z06 is not a great handler; obviosly the Z06 takes the cake from a power perspective.

tvfreakazoid · 08-01-2011, 10:03 PM

i'm not knocking the Z at all. I think the Z looks better than camero and stang. But the stang doesn't have that much weight over Z and it does have more power. And i get it that it's not about the power and what not, but nissan is not in the business of selling the Z to only a select few people (The GTR is only for a few select people).

But you have to figure especially in these times that i can get a stang or camero for as much or maybe less but have more power. You figure a lot of people might look at that way. Especially with some of the improvements ford has made with the stangs.

My thing is if the Z lovers want to keep and getting new Z's and stay around for a few more years nissan needs to do something or we may not see the Z very much longer. All i am saying give it something and not some little here and there year after year. Oh a new paint color scheme, oh heated mirrors, oh a new radio system, oh an i pod dock or something like that. Plus the Z is more expensive. Didn't they have these type of problems with the older Z's, supras, mitsu 3k and rx7 that they were to expensive did eventually died out because of this? Or least that was one of the issues.

I don't know all i'm saying is stangs and cameros seems to keep improving or doing something to give it an extra umph to their cars while nissan's executives are just sitting around with their thumbs up in their asses.

I'm sure they might give the Z some sort of an update in 2013 but by that time stangs or cameros will be one or 2 steps ahead.
I know you shouldn't compare the z and the stang and cameros but i'm sure a lot of people might cause they aren't really other affordable sports cars that are out there. Well you have that hyundai i forget the name of it.

Who knows what nissan is going to give the Z in 2013. Maybe a hybrid and that's it. That would really suck for the Z.

In my personal opionion it's either give it a major update like really soon (next year) or good bye Z.

mjd77 · 08-01-2011, 10:31 PM

I'm planning on getting into a Z soon and as others have stated, I'm more interested in having it for it's uniqueness rather than what the numbers look like on paper. Same reason I bought my RX-8 in 2004. 95% of people won't see a track with their cars anyway, so I don't really see why people are so hung up on the numbers. I still get looks and questions on my RX-8 all the time and my head gets turned every time I see an RX-8 or a Z on the road knowing they are pretty rare, unique cars. Camaros and Mustangs are a dime a dozen around here and don't do a thing for me. I could care less if they can kick the RX-8 and Z's *** in a straight line. I'll take the uniqueness and "poor" performance anyday.

EazyD · 08-01-2011, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mjd77

I'm planning on getting into a Z soon and as others have stated, I'm more interested in having it for it's uniqueness rather than what the numbers look like on paper. Same reason I bought my RX-8 in 2004. 95% of people won't see a track with their cars anyway, so I don't really see why people are so hung up on the numbers. I still get looks and questions on my RX-8 all the time and my head gets turned every time I see an RX-8 or a Z on the road knowing they are pretty rare, unique cars. Camaros and Mustangs are a dime a dozen around here and don't do a thing for me. I could care less if they can kick the RX-8 and Z's *** in a straight line. I'll take the uniqueness and "poor" performance anyday.

ImportConvert · 08-01-2011, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

The Z is a 'smaller' car and feels more tossable to me; takes less input to 'whip' it through curves. The Z06 does not feel as technical to me. That is not to say the Z06 is not a great handler; obviosly the Z06 takes the cake from a power perspective.

Do you think that the shorter wheel-base of the 370Z is what gives this impression? That's sortof a double-edged sword there. I have not driven a 370Z through corners hard, but my Z06 just hunkers and is GLUED. Feels low and like NOTHING will pull it off the road. Is the 370Z a similar animal in the twisties?

southercadesi · 08-02-2011, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mjd77

I'm planning on getting into a Z soon and as others have stated, I'm more interested in having it for it's uniqueness rather than what the numbers look like on paper. Same reason I bought my RX-8 in 2004. 95% of people won't see a track with their cars anyway, so I don't really see why people are so hung up on the numbers. I still get looks and questions on my RX-8 all the time and my head gets turned every time I see an RX-8 or a Z on the road knowing they are pretty rare, unique cars. Camaros and Mustangs are a dime a dozen around here and don't do a thing for me. I could care less if they can kick the RX-8 and Z's *** in a straight line. I'll take the uniqueness and "poor" performance anyday.

christian370z · 08-02-2011, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Do you think that the shorter wheel-base of the 370Z is what gives this impression? That's sortof a double-edged sword there. I have not driven a 370Z through corners hard, but my Z06 just hunkers and is GLUED. Feels low and like NOTHING will pull it off the road. Is the 370Z a similar animal in the twisties?

Yes, but the Z06 is also known to be a very challenging car at the limit as once you exceed it's limits, it lets go very quickly. The Z is much more progressive despite a shorter wheelbase.

With sport package wheels and tires, the Z definitely feels glued to the road. I don't feel like the seating position in the Z is as low as the Z06, but the Z can pull similar skid pad G forces if that means anything.

Montez · 08-02-2011, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

Montez, I am surprised you got looks in Phx with a Camaro. They are a dime a dozen and I seem more of them than Civics these days in Phx.

I guess some people are just impressed with the Maro SS looks although sorta busy they are, probably stems from Transformers the movie....lol. Went to lunch with 2 business partners there and they were like man thats sharp you drive......

Red__Zed · 08-02-2011, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Montez

I guess some people are just impressed with the Maro SS looks although sorta busy they are, probably stems from Transformers the movie....lol. Went to lunch with 2 business partners there and they were like man thats sharp you drive......

It is a good looking car...I think this forum is the only place that doesn't recognize that.
Not my style personally, but I still notice them catching my eye.

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tanamerra · 08-11-2011, 11:24 AM

Kind of surprised Nissan did not at least offer an oil cooler as a factory installed option.

Robert_Nash · 08-17-2011, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

i'm not knocking the Z at all. I think the Z looks better than camero and stang. But the stang doesn't have that much weight over Z and it does have more power. And i get it that it's not about the power and what not, but nissan is not in the business of selling the Z to only a select few people (The GTR is only for a few select people).

But you have to figure especially in these times that i can get a stang or camero for as much or maybe less but have more power. You figure a lot of people might look at that way. Especially with some of the improvements ford has made with the stangs.

My thing is if the Z lovers want to keep and getting new Z's and stay around for a few more years nissan needs to do something or we may not see the Z very much longer. All i am saying give it something and not some little here and there year after year. Oh a new paint color scheme, oh heated mirrors, oh a new radio system, oh an i pod dock or something like that. Plus the Z is more expensive. Didn't they have these type of problems with the older Z's, supras, mitsu 3k and rx7 that they were to expensive did eventually died out because of this? Or least that was one of the issues.

I don't know all i'm saying is stangs and cameros seems to keep improving or doing something to give it an extra umph to their cars while nissan's executives are just sitting around with their thumbs up in their asses.

I'm sure they might give the Z some sort of an update in 2013 but by that time stangs or cameros will be one or 2 steps ahead.
I know you shouldn't compare the z and the stang and cameros but i'm sure a lot of people might cause they aren't really other affordable sports cars that are out there. Well you have that hyundai i forget the name of it.

Who knows what nissan is going to give the Z in 2013. Maybe a hybrid and that's it. That would really suck for the Z.

In my personal opionion it's either give it a major update like really soon (next year) or good bye Z.

I've never cared for Mustangs...respected them...glad Ford makes them but I wouldn't own one.

I've found very little that's enticing about the Camaro (and I've owned several F-bodies since 1973)...I'm not saying that the Camaro is not a good car but the only really good thing about it that I can find is that GM is at least producing one; beyond that, I'm just not that impressed...a successor generation should be truly "better" than the previous generatoin; I just don't see that in the current Camaro (I onned a 2000 Z28)...more horsepower is always welcome but it takes a lot more than horsepower to make a car truly "better"; at least it does in my opinion.

I agree with the sentiments about the Corvette's interior...it would be more at home in an econobox. However, the biggest drawback to the Corvette is the attitude of the people that own them.

There is more to a car than it's HP/weight ratio, 0-60, 60-0, and cornering...the "Z" is special...always has been; hopefully always will be.

NissanGuy23 · 10-11-2011, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

Stang, camero has over 400hp for about the same price as the 370z so why pay more for a car that has less power hasent had any decent updates? The genesis is cheaper as well. I dont think nissan really understands the american market or they dont care. If they want to sell more nissan needs to.get there heads out of there *** and start making more improvements bumb the dam hp torque add di and stop raising the price. Fire th ceo of nissan and hire someone from ford lol.

I totally disagree, if your looking for HP and not much else - by all means get a muscle car and drag race high schoolers in mustangs all day long.

The Z is not about raw torque and HP. Nissan is a Japanese company, and they build Japanese cars - not american cars. American cars have their own attitude and purpose, and Japanese cars have theirs. Nissan wont bump the Hp without the appropite chassis, brake, suspention changes. I dont think the Z needs any more power.

ImportConvert · 10-11-2011, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by christian370z

Yes, but the Z06 is also known to be a very challenging car at the limit as once you exceed it's limits, it lets go very quickly. The Z is much more progressive despite a shorter wheelbase.

With sport package wheels and tires, the Z definitely feels glued to the road. I don't feel like the seating position in the Z is as low as the Z06, but the Z can pull similar skid pad G forces if that means anything.

I drove the Z06's at Spring mountain and found the car to be VERY forgiving at my skill-level (which means I didn't push it for crap, lol).

I am strongly considering the 370Z in a year or two when I move. Depending on the value of my Z06 and the + equity in it. I could use the extra $$ per month as I plan on buying land and a house, and it sounds like I gain interior, lose power, and break-even on handling.

What's the deal with everyone wrecking their 370Z, though? Noone on the 'vette forums has this problem unless they get T-boned or something by a drunk. You mention the progressive nature of the 370Z's loss of traction, and it makes me wonder what's up.

How does VDC work? Is it anywhere near as good as PTM in the ZR1, or does it compare more to the yaw control in the Z06, or is it worse than both, or better than both, what? I love the nannies in my Z06. I have NEVER FELT them kick in, but I know they have, and that impresses the hell outta me in a 3100# 500+ horsepower car. VERY well managed.

ImportConvert · 10-11-2011, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NissanGuy23

I totally disagree, if your looking for HP and not much else - by all means get a muscle car and drag race high schoolers in mustangs all day long.

The Z is not about raw torque and HP. Nissan is a Japanese company, and they build Japanese cars - not american cars. American cars have their own attitude and purpose, and Japanese cars have theirs. Nissan wont bump the Hp without the appropite chassis, brake, suspention changes. I dont think the Z needs any more power.

To be fair, the mustang seems to have a very nice chassis for its hp level. The 'vette is world class, and the Camaro ZL1 runs the 'ring in the mid 7's.

American cars are not what they used to be.

FL 4Motion · 10-11-2011, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I drove the Z06's at Spring mountain and found the car to be VERY forgiving at my skill-level (which means I didn't push it for crap, lol).

I am strongly considering the 370Z in a year or two when I move. Depending on the value of my Z06 and the + equity in it. I could use the extra $$ per month as I plan on buying land and a house, and it sounds like I gain interior, lose power, and break-even on handling.

What's the deal with everyone wrecking their 370Z, though? Noone on the 'vette forums has this problem unless they get T-boned or something by a drunk. You mention the progressive nature of the 370Z's loss of traction, and it makes me wonder what's up.

How does VDC work? Is it anywhere near as good as PTM in the ZR1, or does it compare more to the yaw control in the Z06, or is it worse than both, or better than both, what? I love the nannies in my Z06. I have NEVER FELT them kick in, but I know they have, and that impresses the hell outta me in a 3100# 500+ horsepower car. VERY well managed.

I really think most of these accidents with the 370z have as much to do with young kids/first manual rwd sports car people/immaturity/stupidity as much as anything else. Average age of vette owners is a bit higher and therefore, generally speaking, a more mature crowd of folks (I said generally).

As far a VDC, I can't compare it to the vette's tcs, BUT I'm very confident in guessing that you'll find it intrusive and if you do track the Z, you'll have to turn it off like most everyone else on here that tracks does.

that said, for the price and what it is, if you can live w/o the 500hp, you should enjoy the car.

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tvfreakazoid A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: kommie kali Posts: 1,238 Drives: 2015 Audi S5; 6spd. Rep Power: 10324	i'm not knocking the Z at all. I think the Z looks better than camero and stang. But the stang doesn't have that much weight over Z and it does have more power. And i get it that it's not about the power and what not, but nissan is not in the business of selling the Z to only a select few people (The GTR is only for a few select people). But you have to figure especially in these times that i can get a stang or camero for as much or maybe less but have more power. You figure a lot of people might look at that way. Especially with some of the improvements ford has made with the stangs. My thing is if the Z lovers want to keep and getting new Z's and stay around for a few more years nissan needs to do something or we may not see the Z very much longer. All i am saying give it something and not some little here and there year after year. Oh a new paint color scheme, oh heated mirrors, oh a new radio system, oh an i pod dock or something like that. Plus the Z is more expensive. Didn't they have these type of problems with the older Z's, supras, mitsu 3k and rx7 that they were to expensive did eventually died out because of this? Or least that was one of the issues. I don't know all i'm saying is stangs and cameros seems to keep improving or doing something to give it an extra umph to their cars while nissan's executives are just sitting around with their thumbs up in their asses. I'm sure they might give the Z some sort of an update in 2013 but by that time stangs or cameros will be one or 2 steps ahead. I know you shouldn't compare the z and the stang and cameros but i'm sure a lot of people might cause they aren't really other affordable sports cars that are out there. Well you have that hyundai i forget the name of it. Who knows what nissan is going to give the Z in 2013. Maybe a hybrid and that's it. That would really suck for the Z. In my personal opionion it's either give it a major update like really soon (next year) or good bye Z. __________________ Mudders milk Last edited by tvfreakazoid; 08-01-2011 at 10:06 PM.

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08-01-2011, 10:31 PM	#63 (permalink)
mjd77 Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Port Washington, WI Age: 47 Posts: 183 Drives: 2004 RX-8 Rep Power: 16	I'm planning on getting into a Z soon and as others have stated, I'm more interested in having it for it's uniqueness rather than what the numbers look like on paper. Same reason I bought my RX-8 in 2004. 95% of people won't see a track with their cars anyway, so I don't really see why people are so hung up on the numbers. I still get looks and questions on my RX-8 all the time and my head gets turned every time I see an RX-8 or a Z on the road knowing they are pretty rare, unique cars. Camaros and Mustangs are a dime a dozen around here and don't do a thing for me. I could care less if they can kick the RX-8 and Z's *** in a straight line. I'll take the uniqueness and "poor" performance anyday.

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tanamerra Base Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Delaware Posts: 145 Drives: 2010 370Z Nismo Rep Power: 14	Kind of surprised Nissan did not at least offer an oil cooler as a factory installed option.