can't decide if this is the right car for me

mikeSS

maybe its your area, i see very few 370zs, and only one time saw a rx8 r3. i see more Bentleys and Ferraris then 370z or rx8 r3s. lol.

but ya the older rx8s are much more common.

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1slow370

I've seen a z32 pumpkin swapped in an s2000 it's that bad

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Red__Zed

Yeah, I never had any desire to own an AP2.

I'm just saying, the diff held over 500whp for quite a few runs. I had more trans issues than I had diff issues.

Yeah, I did that on my car. I tracked it with 500whp and the stock diff though

Hambone1

True. I do know my RX-8's though, and the newer ones aren't terribly rare around here either. I also see more exotics like you mentioned than 8's, especially 370's. I've always felt like the RX-8 is kind of a quirky man's sports car, hence the low sales volume.

mikeSS

ya i feel you on that. its a drivers car, but takes a certain person to really want it. over a 370z for example. i know they are well balanced and handle great but they have to many draw backs.

the reason why there car sales are low is one true reason and that is the car is just to underpowered. even the rx7 was fast for its time, but had sooo many problems with the engine. mazda needs to drop its rotary engine if they want to compete with sports cars. like 370z or mustang for example. and sales prove people want 370zs and mustangs over rx8s.

and rx8 owners always, say " If mazda made a bigger or turbo rotary its would be a lot better." but i always say then why don't they ? because there will be to many problems and MPG on a bigger rotary would be nuts. and a turbo rotary would have problems.

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Hambone1

I think it's a combination of being underpowered and also all of it's quirks. I'd be willing to guess that 50% or more of it's potential customer base barely know what a rotary engine is, let alone anything about it. If I'm car shopping, and suddenly find out the car I'm looking at is some engine I've never heard of, I'm gone.

I've heard those arguments for a larger or boosted engine, and it would be completely retarded. You'd get like 5 mpg, and if it was boosted you'd be swapping engines once a week from blowing them.

The thing that is strange, is that I realize it sold well early on, and the Wankel is part of their heritage and they don't want to completely get rid of it, but considering that they have some pretty decent motors in-house, such as the 4 banger in the MS3, and even the V6 in the MS6 isn't bad. Plus I'm pretty sure they can still raid the Ford parts bin, I don't know why they aren't snagging Eco-Boost and doing something with it

cossie1600

its people like you and retards at mazda that killed the car. the rx program had always been underfunded and undeveloped. morons at mazda are too conservative to do something ground breaking to the motor (ie turbo). the motor design itself is basically 25+ years old, think about gas mileage on cars from that era. the ford parts are a disaster, see problems with the mazda 6 v6 and mpv vans

mazda is still the only japanese car company to have won lemans, nissan and toyota didnt. the fuel mileage on the rotary is also better at high rpms. its a great racing engine, but terrible for highway cruise.

Hambone1

I'm flattered that you are able to give me credit for having a say in Mazda's business strategies, however, I must admit I really played only a tiny part. I'm just curious, how would you quantify my significant involvement in killing the RX-8? By saying that it really will never catch on as a mainstream technology, which has been born out time and again with solid numbers such as sales figures? Or was it my point saying maybe it's time to cut their losses, raid a parts bin that by all accounts is vastly improved, and use said parts to make the product better? Furthermore, if you wouldn't mind finding me a nice route that the common commuter has to work where they are able to maintain high revs the majority of the time, I'd appreciate it.

cossie1600

You have your opinions, which I agree with some of it. Here are some you are absolutely wrong or I don't agree on.

#1 232HP is not a lot in 2011, but it was respectable back in 2004. It's all about expectations. Is that a quirk? Maybe. I sold mine because I expected too much from 232HP.

#2 The FC RX-7 turbo held up pretty well, it was the modded cars and the poorly maintained 3rd gens that had problems. I will be the first one to tell you they have crappy highway or even around town gas mileage, but did you know that they get better gas mileage at WOT than the VQ? The difference is over 15%.

#3 Eco-boost is just a fancy term for direct fuel injection and turbocharging. Big whoopie, they have been looking at it yet they are either too stupid or too dumb to care about it. It's just Mazda as a company, never forward thinking.

Masturbating in the Prius is great, plenty of room and a great AC. It is also a great rain day track car, you should give it a shot and see how well you will do against it. With all that said, I can still hop back in the Z when I need to.

mikeSS

well the rx8 does weigh less than the 370z, but still lacks Torque. still lack power all around.

hahahahahah on the second thing !!!! thats the perfect thing to say back to him.

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cossie1600

once again, i agree. if i recall correctly, i believe i had said my prius is almost as fast as my old rx8 in a low end pull. i rip it a new one when they deserve it, not randomly over some myths.

my corvette made more power than my 370 at wot, yet it burnt a little less gas than my z. does it make it better? perhaps? i am not arguing what is better and worse, i am just stating something non owners dont know about.

i drive 30k miles a year, the gas i save helps me burn some of the money with my stupid hobby. i dont street race or have to show off anymore, so why am i gooing to lug around a car that gets 20mpg on premium when i can drive one that gets 45tmpg. i understand the z is more fun to drive, but its not fun for me to drive on the street because of the cops and the expense. i also dont have anything to prove as i am happily married, runs fast enough at the track to not shame myself or the car and make enough money. so i am not ashamed of anything.

ImportConvert

That's cool and all, but I still don't see why you bought a Prius. Was there an epic thread about it when it happened that you can link me to?