Nissan Ester Oil

Blown32 · 11-16-2009, 01:02 PM

Sounds like a amsoil salesman to me?

Montez · 11-16-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by VCuomo

Look at the bazillions of cars on the road that are in fine shape - many of those cars have had well over 100K miles on their engines WITHOUT EVER even having a synthetic oil fill! Many years ago I owned a '65 Rambler American sedan that never had synthetic in it (back then there was no synthetic available) - when I junked it it had almost 90K miles on the engine and, although the rest of the car was crap, the engine still ran fine. And then there was my 1983 Subaru wagon that had almost 200K miles on its engine (no rebuild or major work done on the drivetrain) before it was junked. I currently own a '98 Dodge Durango with almost 90K miles on its engine - it's never had anything in it except for 5W30 non-synthetic oil (mostly Pennzoil) and it still runs strong.

I'm old school - just make sure you put in the correct W oil for your driving conditions (for most, that would be 5W30), make sure it has API certification, and change it regularly at 3K to 5K mile intervals and you will be fine no matter what you brand or type (non-synthetic, synthetic, or synthetic blend) you choose. That's what the aforementioned vehicles that I owned all have in common.

Yeah, I know, heresy...

I am with you on this!

FricFrac · 11-16-2009, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Montez

I am with you on this!

Anecdotal storys are always amusing but that's about it. Synthetic oil is cheap and if evidence isn't enough there's an extreme lack of anecdotal stories of synthetic oil ruining your car.... so why risk it?

Old Chuck · 11-16-2009, 06:16 PM

I thought I had seen it before but not sure it was here. Amsoil seller or not it is good food for thought. I think if folks knew more about what they are using then the oil companys would have to change their advertising.

lovethe370z · 11-17-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Blown32

No one has any credible data from Nissan and they themselves don't even know what they are talking about?

Yeah, them darned Nissan people can design the car of the year but ask them to pick a good oil, and they'll muck it up! These ppl probably design the oil to destroy the engine about 10k miles past the warranty expiration. LOL!

lovethe370z · 11-17-2009, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Chuck

I thought I had seen it before but not sure it was here. Amsoil seller or not it is good food for thought. I think if folks knew more about what they are using then the oil companys would have to change their advertising.

Not denying it is good food for thought, but I don't know enough to prove, either way, whether the information claimed in that post is factual. I guess I'll have to really research this when it comes time for oil changes.

370Zsteve · 11-17-2009, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

Don't give him too much credit! It's a photocopy of a re-posted repost. He does have some interest in seeing his Amsoil futures go up though....

kenchan · 11-17-2009, 01:30 PM

i added about 1/4 quart the other day using some cheezo valvoline dino oil.

VCuomo · 11-17-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FricFrac

Anecdotal storys are always amusing but that's about it. Synthetic oil is cheap and if evidence isn't enough there's an extreme lack of anecdotal stories of synthetic oil ruining your car.... so why risk it?

Isolated anecdotal stories certainly don't mean a whole lot, but please go and re-read the first sentence of my post and tell me that it's not true.

And there's also an extreme lack of anecdotal stories of non-synthetic oil ruining your car (if you use the correct W oil and change it every 3K-5K miles).

Zless@arizona · 11-18-2009, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by molamann

Isn't Mobil 1 also considered ester oil?

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Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z

Yes, as is Castrol Edge.

socal: I must, respectfully, disagree. Mobil1 used to state in their literature that they were a PAO ( GroupIV). Never did they identify Mobil1 as an ester base (GroupV). They have recently, from all research and posts that I have reviewed, changed to Group-III base, which is only processed petroleum oil, NOT A SYNTHETIC! Castrol won a lawsuit that enabled them to call their Syntec crap "synthetic," despite it being only processed petroleum-based oil. It is a travesty that Mobil decided to follow their lead. Mobil1 may have ester additives, but it is not predominantly ester. R/S, Greg

Zless@arizona · 11-18-2009, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 2bits

I have to wonder why Nissan would market it's oil as ester additives rather than playing up the DLC nanoparticle content. Massive marketing fail...

Just my $0.02 ;-)..."Hey, Two-Bits: I have some snakeoil I want to sell to you...it contains "Diamond-Like-Carbon" particles that are smaller than an electron microsope can detect...True nanoparticles have a mind of their own, and seek to fix problems with mechanical and organic (human) bodies... and all for $12.00 per quart! "

That is why they did not advertise the true chemical makeup of the oil.

Zless@arizona · 11-18-2009, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Blown32

I see everyone is still beating this oil subject to death that is absolutely not a problem at all! Quit worrying!Just put a good quality of oil of YOUR choice in and enjoy the car. Oil is like opinions and you know how that goes.We all have one!

Blown32: Your response is purely wrong and based on no empirical data. I can supply you with a non-detergent 30-weight oil...put that in your engine for 15,000 miles with no filter change and let me know how it goes. Do you know anything about the engine in the 370Z? What can you tell me about the valve actuation? Manufacturers test engines for many thousands of miles, some one million miles, on the same oil. They have clean-room environments, and repeatable test variables when they take oil samples. You, certainly, do not know what I am talking about! Unless you have "white paper" data, stay out. Opinion and consensus is best left to Al Gore and Global Warming.

Zless@arizona · 11-18-2009, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Pointman

Just tell me what to run already!

Pointman: I have not reached the end of this travesty. If you want to have a recommendation for oil to use in your 370Z, use the Nissan oil recommended for your engine...I believe it is a petroleum base with an ester additive. Most of the rest of the replies on this thread are B.S. Nissan tested their 370Z oil for almost a million miles, and they had clean-room environments to pull, then analyze the samples. No one can come close to the validity of testing that Nissan has performed. That is why they identify the blend oil for the 370Z.

Zless@arizona · 11-18-2009, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by FricFrac

I don't mean to be a doubting Thomas but do we have any links that backs this up?

FricFrac: Congrats that you do not buy into the B.S. on this thread! Research the info yourself, using the comments for pathways to the truth. The manufacturer's published data is the only true information upon which you can base a decision.

Zless@arizona · 11-18-2009, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by VCuomo

'65 Rambler 90K miles on the engine the engine still ran fine. 1983 Subaru wagon 200K miles '98 Dodge Durango 90K miles ...they've never had anything in them except for 5W30 non-synthetic oil (mostly Pennzoil). just make sure you put in the correct W oil for your driving conditions (for most, that would be 5W30), make sure it has API certification, and change it regularly at 3K to 5K mile and you will be fine no matter what you brand or type (non-synthetic, synthetic, or synthetic blend).

No UOA?!!! You are not qualified to make any of the statements above! Most current data suggests that oil changes at the 3-5k frequency actually hurt the engine more than extending the mileage. No definitive mileage endpoint exists at this time. Staying with a 5W-30 for a 200,000 mile vehicle violates any/all manufacturer's maintenance schedule. How much 5W-30 oil per 1000 miles was your 200,000 mile Subaru using? "Any 5W-30 will be fine for the 370Z engine"?!!! What???!!!! Anyone reading this: DO NOT USE 100% PETROLEUM BASED GROUP II OIL IN THE 370Z ENGINE!!! This thread is making me tired and pissed. "Ignorance is Bliss." Later...

11-16-2009, 06:16 PM	#139 (permalink)
Old Chuck Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida & SC Posts: 86 Drives: 05 Tundra& 02 Subaru Rep Power: 16	Modshack I thought I had seen it before but not sure it was here. Amsoil seller or not it is good food for thought. I think if folks knew more about what they are using then the oil companys would have to change their advertising.

11-16-2009, 01:02 PM	#136 (permalink)
Blown32 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N.J. Posts: 289 Drives: 09 370Z Blk sport 6T Rep Power: 15	Sounds like a amsoil salesman to me?

11-17-2009, 01:30 PM	#143 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141520	i added about 1/4 quart the other day using some cheezo valvoline dino oil.