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Old 03-04-2011, 05:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Sad thing is that there are many many car buyers and buyers of other things that "faithfully" believe in what C/R says-reports. Most of us as enthusiast could not give a sh*t, we get our info from here!
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Got the new car edition of CR today. I expected its ongoing gripes about the 370Z's poor visibility, harsh ride, road noise and reliability (ECU whine, oil temperature, thin paint, etc) but the crowning gem in this issue is that my year, the 2009, is now listed as among the worst USED cars to buy. I'm sure this will be flaunted by my buyer during re-sale negotiations and will cost me.
Perfect example here of how much harm the press can do.
CR is more suited to reviewing clock radios and toasters. However, you're right. Someone will read that and beat your price up with it.
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I love my Z, but it does have numerous little issues that are frankly, ridiculous, for a new car to have.

Nissan is like the Japanese Ford, so what do you expect?
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What is this ECU whine everyone keeps talking about? Also what is a TSB? Is it like a recall that the dealership will fix for free? Should I take my car in to get all of those issues fixed?
Some '09's had some electrical interference that produced a high pitched whine -- apparently attributable to the ECU.

TSB = Technical Service Bulleton.

Not a Recall, but a special note for problems or service issues that crop up that may not be immediately obvious.

Some are just details on how to do a repair others refer to problems that should have a recall associated with it, but didn't get one for whatever reason.
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Old 03-04-2011, 06:45 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I love my Z, but it does have numerous little issues that are frankly, ridiculous, for a new car to have.

Nissan is like the Japanese Ford, so what do you expect?

Some '09's had some electrical interference that produced a high pitched whine -- apparently attributable to the ECU.

TSB = Technical Service Bulleton.

Not a Recall, but a special note for problems or service issues that crop up that may not be immediately obvious.

Some are just details on how to do a repair others refer to problems that should have a recall associated with it, but didn't get one for whatever reason.
Thanks! Luckily I haven't had any issues yet. Don't know about the previous owner though.
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Old 03-04-2011, 07:10 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Thanks! Luckily I haven't had any issues yet. Don't know about the previous owner though.
I would just skim over the TSB's to be prepared.

For '09 other than the ECU whine I think you have the same (admittedly, generally minor) flaws we all do (e.g., cheap windshield and paint).

But the crappy, unreliable fuel sender and now my failed secondary O2 are just horseshit
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But the crappy, unreliable fuel sender and now my failed secondary O2 are just horseshit
Agreed on the fuel sender, but you can't blame Nissan entirely for the o2 sensor when you are running test pipes that will expose the sensor to much higher levels of unburnt fuel and particulates (which kill o2 sensors).
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were the ecu units a hit and miss sort of thing. or did nissan catch the problem
mid year and fix it. iv'e never had a problem with my 09.

and as far as TSB'S go very few cars go without having any reported.
and the 370's are nothing major.
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Agreed on the fuel sender, but you can't blame Nissan entirely for the o2 sensor when you are running test pipes that will expose the sensor to much higher levels of unburnt fuel and particulates (which kill o2 sensors).
Sure I can. Name one other member with TP's who has had this problem?

Also, I ran same set up on my (HEAVILY modified) 10 yr old Toyota celica and the secondary O2's never had an issue for over 100K miles.

Probably has nothing to do with the TP's -- I bet something stupid like a rock nailed it or water got in and shorted it or something.

It's still ridiculous that it would fail with less than 17K on the car.

I've also never owned a car with:

1. A dodgy fuel sender (after 7K!)

2. Windshields that chip so easily (week 2)

3. Paint that chipped so easily (day 3!)

4. An auxillary jack on the stereo that stopped working (at 15K, thankfully, replaced under warranty).

These are, again, "minor" issues (love the engine, trans, suspension set up, etc), but they all point to how we have $50K worth of car sold for $30+ K: They used the cheapest parts wherever possible
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My 2011 has a little whine to it at times. Alot of times I don't notice it unless I'm really paying close attention (listening). But that's mostly when sitting at ideal with no back ground noise. My car has 1200 miles on it at the moment. No big deal though. Like people cars are not perfect. Just like the ECU people whine to much also. Some get tired of it, some don't.
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Got the new car edition of CR today. I expected its ongoing gripes about the 370Z's poor visibility, harsh ride, road noise and reliability (ECU whine, oil temperature, thin paint, etc) but the crowning gem in this issue is that my year, the 2009, is now listed as among the worst USED cars to buy. I'm sure this will be flaunted by my buyer during re-sale negotiations and will cost me.
Perfect example here of how much harm the press can do.
isn't that the same mag that was raving about the ford taurus?

i am going to enjoy my new Z and not waste one brain cell on what it is worth on the used market.

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Agree on 1-4 for sure, I am shocked how I already have chips on the windshield after doing little highway driving and only 3,000 miles. They did have to hit a pretty aggressive price target and that is not an issue, just cut costs where we can't see them!
Don't get me wrong -- i love my car, and unless the FT-86 turns out to be super awesome, I'd probably just replace it down the road with another Z.

I'm just whining like a baby because of my wonky O2 sensor

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Got the new car edition of CR today. I expected its ongoing gripes about the 370Z's poor visibility, harsh ride, road noise and reliability (ECU whine, oil temperature, thin paint, etc) but the crowning gem in this issue is that my year, the 2009, is now listed as among the worst USED cars to buy. I'm sure this will be flaunted by my buyer during re-sale negotiations and will cost me.
Perfect example here of how much harm the press can do.
When I went to test drive a Z, I had some pre-conceived notions based on what the magazines had said about the car. One of those ideas had to do with the road noise.
It's certainly not quiet, but it's also nowhere near as bad as the magazine writers make it out to be.

Why even buy Consumer Reports?
You can get all the whining you need for free here on this forum.
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I bet if you check how many short blocks Nissan has replaced due to oil consumption you would be suprised... Talking to my service advisor he told me they have done 6-7 motors due to OC just last summer... and suprisingly a ton of AT's , but on here I have yet to see anyone have one fail...

On top of the trunk hatch, ecu whine, and road noise there is a lot going against it... but I bet OC hurts it badly
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