Educate me....cause I am tired!

theDreamer · 01-27-2011, 09:54 AM

Yes, everyone was curious about that also but AAM cleared the air.
Really once you start tuning either car it is nulled out performance wise. The Nismo tune from factory basically is a couple minor tweaks which is paired with the exhaust. One reason why people say if you are going to go crazy modding it might be best to jump on a base/touring with sport and skip the Nismo.

Red__Zed · 01-27-2011, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Yes, it is a shop called AAM and in the thread they also said the Nismo is running more boost as the non-Nismo owner wanted to keep it as a 'light' build.

very helpful piece of information

mick · 01-27-2011, 10:23 AM

you guys sound like democrats and republicans trying to change each other's views

it's simple really. those who think the nismo is worth it bought a nismo and those who don't think it's worth it, did not buy one.

GZ3 · 01-27-2011, 10:56 AM

After thinking a little deeper into this, if i remember correctly the NISMO rims weigh something like 20lbs for both front and back...base and sport packed Z's IIRC weigh something like 23ish front and back....that unsprung weight loss could account for the HP diff too. Rim weight makes a difference on the dyno....hhmmmmm intersting
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Cell · 01-27-2011, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GZ3

After thinking a little deeper into this, if i remember correctly the NISMO rims weigh something like 20lbs for both front and back...base and sport packed Z's IIRC weigh something like 23ish front and back....that unsprung weight loss could account for the HP diff too. Rim weight makes a difference on the dyno....hhmmmmm intersting
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I always thought less weight on the rims means better torque and not HP. Smaller diameter rims always means more HP.

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Yes, everyone was curious about that also but AAM cleared the air.
Really once you start tuning either car it is nulled out performance wise. The Nismo tune from factory basically is a couple minor tweaks which is paired with the exhaust. One reason why people say if you are going to go crazy modding it might be best to jump on a base/touring with sport and skip the Nismo.

I've said that before. If people want to heavily mod their cars as in body kits and new rims and so forth, they should get a base/touring. People that bought the nismos love the body and rims not because of the HP increase. No nismo owner in their right mind bought the nismo just for that 18hp increase.

I love the way my car looks over the fangs. I love my rims over the sports package. That is the reason why I bought it and it is the same reason why many others bought the nismo.

GZ3 · 01-27-2011, 11:07 AM

[QUOTE=Cell;914451]I always thought less weight on the rims means better torque and not HP. Smaller diameter rims always means more HP[QUOTE=Cell;914451]

hmm, i thought HP was affected as well. I remember a while back a buddy of mine dyno'd his LS1 with chrome corvette rims (heavy) then he took them off and put stockers back on and made a gain of about 15ish...significant

Shamu · 01-27-2011, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue370tt

Congrats on your Nismo.......One of the few cars that look FAST but are actually slow!

LOL! I'd be willing to give any stock 370 Z a 2 second head start on local road courses. Suspect I would make up time within half a lap.

Dont underestimate suspension, power and handling advantages of the Nismo. I dont think Nismo was building a drag racer my over blown friend.

But hey its a free country if you want to ruin a stock 370Z, void warranties, etc go for the major aftermarket pimp and blow! I think most educated buyers will see value of the Nismo over buying a Sport model and adding a bunch of cheezy or very expensive aftermarket parts.

But at least have a sense of humor about it!

GZ3 · 01-27-2011, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Shamu

LOL! I'd be willing to give any stock 370 Z a 2 second head start on local road courses. Suspect I would make up time within half a lap.

Dont underestimate suspension, power and handling advantages of the Nismo. I dont think Nismo was building a drag racer my over blown friend.

But hey its a free country if you want to ruin a stock 370Z, void warranties, etc go for the major aftermarket pimp and blow! I think most educated buyers will see value of the Nismo over buying a Sport model and adding a bunch of cheezy or very expensive aftermarket parts.

But at least have a sense of humor about it!

I cant tell if your joking or not anymore

but here in SA its usually the nismos that are stuck on lots getting discounted for sale vs other models...

Pelican170 · 01-27-2011, 01:18 PM

+1 for being the dumbest thread ever!

Pelican170 · 01-27-2011, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue370tt

Congrats on your Nismo.......One of the few cars that look FAST but are actually slow!

lol, does the OP just realize he told everyone who owns a 370z that their car is slow?? 370z's arent slow cars... you just spent alot of money to make yours faster...

Cell · 01-27-2011, 01:39 PM

[QUOTE=GZ3;914466][QUOTE=Cell;914451]I always thought less weight on the rims means better torque and not HP. Smaller diameter rims always means more HP

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Originally Posted by Cell

hmm, i thought HP was affected as well. I remember a while back a buddy of mine dyno'd his LS1 with chrome corvette rims (heavy) then he took them off and put stockers back on and made a gain of about 15ish...significant

Were the two rims the same size? I know in the RSX community when people went from 16" rims to 17", they lost HP. No idea what lighter wheels do for HP wise. I just know losing some weight will always give better performance.

RCZ · 01-27-2011, 01:41 PM

Shamu, I'd love to see what your stock nismo can do against my car. I mean...I understand its a good starting point and great if you're not into modding....but you need a reality check. We could both have stock cars, but if I put on my RE-11's then you'd be in trouble already. Add 150whp, coilovers, lighter wheels and a good alignment and I'm sorry man, but no fancy front bumper or extra seam welding is going to make up for it.

I love the Nismo and wish I had started from it to keep weight down and for the extra chassis rigidity, but don't kid yourself. I know people focus on numbers and don't realize the importance of better balance, etc. However, your car overheats and has brake failures just like mine did when it was stock. It's no track car, its barely better than the sports package 370z...

Red__Zed · 01-27-2011, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pelican170

lol, does the OP just realize he told everyone who owns a 370z that their car is slow?? 370z's arent slow cars... you just spent alot of money to make yours faster...

Depends on what you mean by fast. The z isn't relatively slow in terms of performance cars.

GZ3 · 01-27-2011, 01:56 PM

[QUOTE=Cell;914788][QUOTE=GZ3;914466]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cell

I always thought less weight on the rims means better torque and not HP. Smaller diameter rims always means more HP

Were the two rims the same size? I know in the RSX community when people went from 16" rims to 17", they lost HP. No idea what lighter wheels do for HP wise. I just know losing some weight will always give better performance.

yeah they were the same size 18 chrome corvette wheels to stockers 18's...intresting

GZ3 · 01-27-2011, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Depends on what you mean by fast. The z isn't relatively slow in terms of performance cars.

fast in relation to furiousness

01-27-2011, 09:54 AM	#106 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4210	Yes, everyone was curious about that also but AAM cleared the air. Really once you start tuning either car it is nulled out performance wise. The Nismo tune from factory basically is a couple minor tweaks which is paired with the exhaust. One reason why people say if you are going to go crazy modding it might be best to jump on a base/touring with sport and skip the Nismo. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

01-27-2011, 10:56 AM	#109 (permalink)
GZ3 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: SATX Posts: 3,296 Drives: Z Rep Power: 21	After thinking a little deeper into this, if i remember correctly the NISMO rims weigh something like 20lbs for both front and back...base and sport packed Z's IIRC weigh something like 23ish front and back....that unsprung weight loss could account for the HP diff too. Rim weight makes a difference on the dyno....hhmmmmm intersting __________________ __________________ 09 GT-R 12' 370Z 7AT HANDED DOWN 12'+13' 5.0 SOLD

01-27-2011, 11:07 AM	#111 (permalink)
GZ3 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: SATX Posts: 3,296 Drives: Z Rep Power: 21	[QUOTE=Cell;914451]I always thought less weight on the rims means better torque and not HP. Smaller diameter rims always means more HP[QUOTE=Cell;914451] hmm, i thought HP was affected as well. I remember a while back a buddy of mine dyno'd his LS1 with chrome corvette rims (heavy) then he took them off and put stockers back on and made a gain of about 15ish...significant __________________ 09 GT-R 12' 370Z 7AT HANDED DOWN 12'+13' 5.0 SOLD

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mick Track Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: California Posts: 903 Drives: Used to drive a 370z Rep Power: 16	you guys sound like democrats and republicans trying to change each other's views it's simple really. those who think the nismo is worth it bought a nismo and those who don't think it's worth it, did not buy one.

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01-27-2011, 01:41 PM	#117 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1118	Shamu, I'd love to see what your stock nismo can do against my car. I mean...I understand its a good starting point and great if you're not into modding....but you need a reality check. We could both have stock cars, but if I put on my RE-11's then you'd be in trouble already. Add 150whp, coilovers, lighter wheels and a good alignment and I'm sorry man, but no fancy front bumper or extra seam welding is going to make up for it. I love the Nismo and wish I had started from it to keep weight down and for the extra chassis rigidity, but don't kid yourself. I know people focus on numbers and don't realize the importance of better balance, etc. However, your car overheats and has brake failures just like mine did when it was stock. It's no track car, its barely better than the sports package 370z...