370z, a better bargain than some think!

[UNKNOWN_370]

japan gets an admiral blue special edition chevrolet corvette grand sport


The base 370z in Japan is $47,900, which is over $17,000 more expensive than in the U.S. . A Corvette Grand Sport in Japan is $112,633. A corvette is over $47,000 more expensive in Japan. Which means in the U.S. you can own a corvette Grand Sport and a Nismo tech 370z automatic for the price of a single corvette grand sport in Japan.

We basically get a $17,000 discount over here for the Z, vs the up-charge they get both on their own domestic vehicle and the USDM corvette.

Here in the U.S. You can buy a base Nismo as cheap as $40,000 out the door or a loaded Nismo down to the auto as low as $45,000 new. Those are actual research of dealer pricing vs the MSRP that we all know is kind of inflated for our market if we look at the Z in an isolated type of logic. You can buy a corvette grand sport for as low as $58,000 with current rebates and a stingray at about $52,000.

The Z nismo is about $12,000 and 100HP lower than the corvette grand sport.

If you look at it? A TOYOTA 86 is about $26,000 and 32,000 fully loaded and the BRZ is about $27,000 and $33,000 fully loaded. At $33,000 you can have a base sport 370z with a 125HP advantage or a BRZ with a 500lb weight advantage? But going with a base BRZ will only net you a savings of around $3,000. I don't know if you can discount the BRZ/86. But let's bring them both down to $25,000. It's still only a $5,000 savings in America vs the $12,000 you get opting for a Z over a vette.

At the very end, it all boils down to the individual and what they value. One man's junk is another man's treasure. But I think the Z has gotten a bad rap for not having enough power for the money.

A camaro or mustang might compete in the same pricing offering that 100HP gap like a vette. But the still can't offer the driving dynamics of a low slung, 2 seated with a suitably powerful engine and handling as direct as you can make a hydraulic steering unit and maintaining FEEDBACK. Something that today's sports cars lack.

Yup, I'd say, the Z is STILL a performance bargain. Even if slightly dated. If the Z was 3100lbs? It would've been perfection as a performance package for the money.

[Nixin]

Out of all the cars you noted, the Z is also the sexiest!

[brianx42]

what about the mustang gt? and focus rs?

[AestheticCM1]

Originally Posted by brianx42

what about the mustang gt? and focus rs?

He addressed the stang:


"A camaro or mustang might compete in the same pricing offering that 100HP gap like a vette. But the still can't offer the driving dynamics of a low slung, 2 seated with a suitably powerful engine and handling as direct as you can make a hydraulic steering unit and maintaining FEEDBACK. Something that today's sports cars lack."

As for the RS, it's a sweet hot-hatch, but not a sportscar, which may be why it wasn't included in his post.

[UNKNOWN_370]

Originally Posted by brianx42

what about the mustang gt? and focus rs?

I made mention of camaro and mustang. I stated that those cars though May have more power. Do not have the same driving dynamics as a 2 seated (paraphrasing). The focus is NOT an FR platform car.

[brianx42]

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I made mention of camaro and mustang. I stated that those cars though May have more power. Do not have the same driving dynamics as a 2 seated (paraphrasing). The focus is NOT an FR platform car.

tru tru. what about the genesis coupe 3.8?

[UNKNOWN_370]

Originally Posted by brianx42

tru tru. what about the genesis coupe 3.8?

It's s great first attempt at a sports car.the evolution over the course of one generation was remarkable. But the Genesis coupe has ECU programming that hinders it from being as good as it can be. It's Brembos have been engineered with too many cost cutting shortcuts and finally, the transmission response which is probably hindered by poor ecu tuning is subpar by comparison to the Z. Finally. It's wheelbase and weight distribution don't allow it to be a true competitor once on track. It's still a 2+2.

The only reason I can add the 86 to the mix is.... despite being a 4 seater. It's still has 2 seater dimensions, driving dynamics and weight. The Genny doesn't Nor does the camaro or any muscle. We can compare Porsche but I was comaring more attainable marks...

[Firebase99]

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

It's s great first attempt at a sports car.the evolution over the course of one generation was remarkable. But the Genesis coupe has ECU programming that hinders it from being as good as it can be. It's Brembos have been engineered with too many cost cutting shortcuts and finally, the transmission response which is probably hindered by poor ecu tuning is subpar by comparison to the Z. Finally. It's wheelbase and weight distribution don't allow it to be a true competitor once on track. It's still a 2+2.

The only reason I can add the 86 to the mix is.... despite being a 4 seater. It's still has 2 seater dimensions, driving dynamics and weight. The Genny doesn't Nor does the camaro or any muscle. We can compare Porsche but I was comaring more attainable marks...

Agreed. My Genny is a FANTASTIC GT car for the money. As a sports car it falls short against the Z. Though IMHO it's a better GT car than either a mustang or camaro. For the money that is.

[Redglare]

if nissan only kept updating the 370..... direct injection w/ side port inj. would be a sweet mid cycle refresh ~would easily squeeze out another 20-30ponies. ( I can already picture a 370hp 370z lol)

aside that a headunit refresh with apple carplay would do wonders to this platform.

shoulda woulda coulda... ahh, it's still a great platform,

[Cyber370]

Guys,
The base Lotus Elise hasn't been really updated since its release in the 90's and it is still the holy grail of true sports cars. Sure it got some different engine options but not anything significantly different in horsepower. Just saying.


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[Spooler]

Originally Posted by Redglare

if nissan only kept updating the 370..... direct injection w/ side port inj. would be a sweet mid cycle refresh ~would easily squeeze out another 20-30ponies. ( I can already picture a 370hp 370z lol)

aside that a headunit refresh with apple carplay would do wonders to this platform.

shoulda woulda coulda... ahh, it's still a great platform,

I don't care for direct injection gas engines due to all the carbon build up issues that come over time.

[sx moneypit]

Originally Posted by Spooler

I don't care for direct injection gas engines due to all the carbon build up issues that come over time.

[triso07]

I feel the same way. The Z (especially the sport) is an amazing buy for the money. It gives you a raw old school sports car experience that is missing from nearly every other car on the market. To me, the Cayman is the ultimate modern sports car, but the Z represents a simpler formula and has a character that is unmatched for its price point.

The sporty coupe segment is huge now though. Mustangs/Camaros/Challengers are killing power per dollar segment and have become much better all around cars in terms of tech and handling. Still there is something about the Z's formula that just sets it apart for me, but that's because I love sports cars. It's a niche for sure.

[SINISTER]

Originally Posted by brianx42

what about the mustang gt? and focus rs?

Mustang has a bad reputation, its like shopping at Walmart for your clothes. Too many people can afford it, too many people own it, quality is in question. It has a reputation from long ago as the mullet wearing loser car.

Focus RS is a F.ing Focus....its history is cheap econo box, its ugly, every chick that sees it thinks its just a slow loser focus... and for the price you honestly do not want a reputation of economy car following you around, you want both performance and looks.

They are both great performance cars, and I honestly like them both from this aspect....but for the package the Z is better.

The Z does not have that reputation it is known as a drivers car. It has amazing looks, Japanese built (quality) and its true enthusiast performance car. So for the price of the two cars mentioned above you get amazing looks, a great historical reputation, good performance...cant be beat...

[SINISTER]

Originally Posted by Spooler

I don't care for direct injection gas engines due to all the carbon build up issues that come over time.

Hate direct injection also....it is a PITA to clean and for the benefits which are questionable at best...give me port all day long.