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m4a1mustang 12-01-2010 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 830765)
Pretty much, it won't do "skip-gear" downshifts like most DCT's or even the slush-box in an A6 vette. It has to go down through each and every gear above the gear it needs before it gets there. It won't just hop to it. Huge downside, unless of course you hardcore guys like rolling around in 4th all the time, lol.
Well, FWIW, on any highway encounter I bet you the GTR will be in the correct gear.

m4a1mustang 12-01-2010 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 830766)
On your face.
You wear your sunglassses at night?

Jeffblue 12-01-2010 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 830765)
Pretty much, it won't do "skip-gear" downshifts like most DCT's or even the slush-box in an A6 vette. It has to go down through each and every gear above the gear it needs before it gets there. It won't just hop to it. Huge downside, unless of course you hardcore guys like rolling around in 4th all the time, lol.

This doesn't hurt so much on the track, but in daily driving when you want to punch it on the freeway, I can imagine it would get very frustrating.
don't most race transmissions use sequential manual? which don't allow you to skip gears? i've seen a lot of in car footage and i they downshift through every gear.

Jeffblue 12-01-2010 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 830770)
Well, FWIW, on any highway encounter I bet you the GTR will be in the correct gear.
and if it wasn't, it will be in about .2 seconds :driving:

Nitrouz 12-01-2010 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MC (Post 830769)
you dont know what your talking about every year GTR has has its own revised version of Launch control you can use under full warranty with VDC in R mode

2009 ( received TCM update to 2010 spec) 0-60 3.5
2010 LC2 3K rpm launch 0-60 3.5
2011 LC3 3.3k RPM launch Manual mode RRR only 0-60 3.3
2012 LC4 3.5-4K RPM Manual mode RRR only 0-60 2.9
:icon17:just let it go Matt...

m4a1mustang 12-01-2010 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MC (Post 830769)
you dont know what your talking about every year GTR has has its own revised version of Launch control you can use under full warranty with VDC in R mode

2009 ( received TCM update to 2010 spec) 0-60 3.5
2010 LC2 3K rpm launch 0-60 3.5
2011 LC3 3.3k RPM launch Manual mode RRR only 0-60 3.3
2012 LC4 3.5-4K RPM Manual mode RRR only 0-60 2.9
Remember that one time when I smoked you because you were hunting for gears? :icon17:

m4a1mustang 12-01-2010 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 830774)
and if it wasn't, it will be in about .2 seconds :driving:
Too late. I'm already at 100 mph. :driving:

ImportConvert 12-01-2010 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MC (Post 830769)
you dont know what your talking about every year GTR has has its own revised version of Launch control you can use under full warranty with VDC in R mode


here are the facts...


2009 ( received TCM update to 2010 spec LC2 ) 0-60 3.5
2010 LC2 3K rpm launch 0-60 3.5
2011 LC3 3.3k RPM launch Manual mode RRR only 0-60 3.3
2012 LC4 3.5-4K RPM Manual mode RRR only 0-60 2.9


im not even going to address the GTR drives itself comment... take to a track at 150mph and see how well it drives itself
Please find me one shred of paper/pdf/etc. from Nissan that says the GT-R has launch control.

Yes, in 2012 they put wider tires on it and gave it more horsepower.

They further have allowed the engine more free reign when VDC is engauged so that people would stop abusing VDC and so they could hit their target "3.5" second 0-60 time.

HKYStormFront 12-01-2010 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 830771)
You wear your sunglassses at night?
i do, cause the sun never goes down on a badass

ImportConvert 12-01-2010 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 830771)
You wear your sunglassses at night?
I don't take them with me at night.

theDreamer 12-01-2010 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 830781)
Please find me one shred of paper/pdf/etc. from Nissan that says the GT-R has launch control.

Yes, in 2012 they put wider tires on it and gave it more horsepower.

They further have allowed the engine more free reign when VDC is engauged so that people would stop abusing VDC and so they could hit their target "3.5" second 0-60 time.
3.5 second to 60, did you not read, it is at <3.0
Second, go spend sometime doing the research yourself. Clearly you are here to just bash a car (or brand since you hate on the 370z just as much).

HKYStormFront 12-01-2010 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 830781)
Please find me one shred of paper/pdf/etc. from Nissan that says the GT-R has launch control.

Yes, in 2012 they put wider tires on it and gave it more horsepower.

They further have allowed the engine more free reign when VDC is engauged so that people would stop abusing VDC and so they could hit their target "3.5" second 0-60 time.
dude, you've already lost, give it up... MC has more info on GTR's than nissan because that's one of his jobs, just let it go. you were wrong to stir the pot. seems like every thread that mentions a GTR gets some jack@$$ come along and talk about warranty issues and broken transmissions when it's a mute point now :icon14:

HKYStormFront 12-01-2010 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 830786)
3.5 second to 60, did you not read, it is at <3.0
Second, go spend sometime doing the research yourself. Clearly you are here to just bash a car (or brand since you hate on the 370z just as much).
+1 :iagree:

m4a1mustang 12-01-2010 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront (Post 830782)
i do, cause the sun never goes down on a badass
http://www.ratfinktshirts.com/cw3/as...nNeverSets.jpg

ImportConvert 12-01-2010 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 830786)
3.5 second to 60, did you not read, it is at <3.0
Second, go spend sometime doing the research yourself. Clearly you are here to just bash a car (or brand since you hate on the 370z just as much).
Please refer to the original statement from Nissan stating 3.5 seconds. I think everyone knows about Nissan crowing about their 2012 hitting 60 in less than 3 seconds by now, lol. I was referring to the original car as released by nissan with the promise of 0-60 in 3.5

No, no hate for the 370Z except the low horsepower. Other than that, sick car.

LuckyJinx 12-01-2010 03:05 PM
I'd trade my Z for a GT-R ha.

ImportConvert 12-01-2010 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront (Post 830789)
dude, you've already lost, give it up... MC has more info on GTR's than nissan because that's one of his jobs, just let it go. you were wrong to stir the pot. seems like every thread that mentions a GTR gets some jack@$$ come along and talk about warranty issues and broken transmissions when it's a mute point now :icon14:
When the man who designed the car says himself that "there is no launch control", you want to dispute that? Is MC the designer? If so, will you issue another statement correcting your previous one?

theDreamer 12-01-2010 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 830804)
When the man who designed the car says himself that "there is no launch control", you want to dispute that? Is MC the designer? If so, will you issue another statement correcting your previous one?
Can you provide facts of the designer saying the car has no launch control?

ImportConvert 12-01-2010 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 830805)
Can you provide facts of the designer saying the car has no launch control?
How about a video of an interview with him where he was SPECIFICALLY asked about it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1bHGaV-Lvw

Here you go.

MC: (Mr Mizuno, if I may address you by your name in-forum), I know you stated that the "so called launch control" is there only for un-sticking the car from mud or snow. Since the car has been redesigned? so that it is a true launch-control, have you gone public as you did in the video above? Thankyou, sir!

Also, you stated above in your interview that I linked to that you had never stated the GT-R had "launch control" and that the market had PERCIEVED it as such, even though it wasn't. Has Nissan decided to formally call this launch control? Again, thanks for taking time away from your job working on the GT-R to post on these forums!Nice to see Nissan taking such an active role with their consumers. That's awesome.

Jeffblue 12-01-2010 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 830795)
Please refer to the original statement from Nissan stating 3.5 seconds. I think everyone knows about Nissan crowing about their 2012 hitting 60 in less than 3 seconds by now, lol. I was referring to the original car as released by nissan with the promise of 0-60 in 3.5

No, no hate for the 370Z except the low horsepower. Other than that, sick car.
does the OP even have an '09, or are we just talking about a car that has nothing to do with this thread?'

why are we arguing about launch control on a car that the OP has already stated he doesn't want anymore for various reasons.

MC 12-01-2010 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitrouz (Post 830775)
:icon17:just let it go Matt...

not sure i can...it hurts my mind too too much reading stuff like that :rofl2:

Jeffblue 12-01-2010 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 830811)
How about a video of an interview with him where he was SPECIFICALLY asked about it? Hold a sec.
why are you such an expert on cars you don't have? i dont understand. like, if you can't provide any info on this, then you're obviously wrong. if you can provide detailed info on why you are right, it just shows you spend a disproportionate amount of time researching warranty issues on cars you don't have, and don't plan on ever getting. seems like a lose-lose situation... crap..... brb i have to go research warranty issues on the 2009 mazda speed3, later guys! i've actually hired a private investigator who will examine the designer's fecal matter to determine what his diet has consisted of lately to determine his stress levels in response to said warranty issues

Nitrouz 12-01-2010 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MC (Post 830815)
not sure i can...it hurts my mind too too much reading stuff like that :rofl2:
:icon18:

it's obvious he has no experience with the car...we've owned it since its induction... It's not a fair fight lol..... Just..."WOOOOOSSAAAAAAA"

HKYStormFront 12-01-2010 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 830811)
How about a video of an interview with him where he was SPECIFICALLY asked about it? Hold a sec.
first of all, that wouldn't be the first time that a car company lied about a new model for whatever reason (think power numbers underrated back in the 60's for insurance reasons). secondly, i think i know what you are talking about and at the time, they were marketing the "launch control" system as a way to "break free from being stuck in snow" iirc or something along those lines. it was a BS throw away line as a CYA kind of thing. everyone and their brother knows what a built in 4500rpm rev limiter at stand still is for... or maybe you don't:shakes head:

ThoriumHotdog 12-01-2010 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MC (Post 830769)
you dont know what your talking about every year GTR has has its own revised version of Launch control you can use under full warranty with VDC in R mode


here are the facts...

2009 LC1 VDC off "original Launch control" Was a warranty issue...0-60 3.2 secs
2009 ( all owners who wanted it received TCM update to 2010 spec LC2 ) 0-60 3.5 secs
2010 LC2 3K rpm launch Manual or automode any set up switch 0-60 3.5 secs
2011 LC3 3.3k RPM launch Manual mode RRR only 0-60 3.3 secs
2012 LC4 3.5-4K RPM Manual mode RRR only 0-60 2.9 secs ( nissan released a official press release and a video that shows the car being held to 4K rpm and launched with VDC on)


im not even going to address the its automatic your pretend to drive as a manaul comment.... or the GTR drives itself comment... take it a track at 150mph and see how well it drives itself
I'm going to take your word on this matter. Sounds like you know quite a bit more than most here.

MC 12-01-2010 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitrouz (Post 830821)
:icon18:

it's obvious he has no experience with the car...we've owned it since its induction... It's not a fair fight lol..... Just..."WOOOOOSSAAAAAAA"


enjoy your Z... im done :stirthepot: (maybe)

i would get the nismo but thats just me .. i know your gonna do a kit or something anyway so i guess it defeats the purpose...

MC 12-01-2010 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ThoriumHotdog (Post 830830)
I'm going to take your word on this matter. Sounds like you know quite a bit more than most here.
ive been known to have a little experience with GTRs :tiphat:

HKYStormFront 12-01-2010 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ThoriumHotdog (Post 830830)
I'm going to take your word on this matter. Sounds like you know quite a bit more than most here.
believe me, he does :tup:

ImportConvert 12-01-2010 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 830816)
why are you such an expert on cars you don't have? i dont understand. like, if you can't provide any info on this, then you're obviously wrong. if you can provide detailed info on why you are right, it just shows you spend a disproportionate amount of time researching warranty issues on cars you don't have, and don't plan on ever getting. seems like a lose-lose situation... crap..... brb i have to go research warranty issues on the 2009 mazda speed3, later guys! i've actually hired a private investigator who will examine the designer's fecal matter to determine what his diet has consisted of lately to determine his stress levels in response to said warranty issues
I considered the Viper, GT-R, Z06, and GT500.

I don't buy things blindly.

I like to know what I am getting. So yes, I looked into a car I thought about getting, and have decided not to get, but that does not mean my brain works like a computer and just dumps everything I learned previous.

As a second plan, if life becomes complicated (as it can in this economy), I considered the Camaro SS, Mustang 5.0, and 370Z. I will probably go with the 370Z.

On the flip side of it all, you are arguing with me about a car you claim I know too much about because I don't own it when you don't, either. What kind of logic is that, or is it just some emotion-fueled thing with no rhyme or reason?

*Not only that, but your profile has a quote referring to another car you don't own, the Z4.

HKYStormFront 12-01-2010 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MC (Post 830833)
ive been known to have a little experience with GTRs :tiphat:
:bowrofl::bowrofl: gross matt, i mean i know it lives at your house but really, just how much "experience" do you have with it?

ImportConvert 12-01-2010 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront (Post 830822)
first of all, that wouldn't be the first time that a car company lied about a new model for whatever reason (think power numbers underrated back in the 60's for insurance reasons). secondly, i think i know what you are talking about and at the time, they were marketing the "launch control" system as a way to "break free from being stuck in snow" iirc or something along those lines. it was a BS throw away line as a CYA kind of thing. everyone and their brother knows what a built in 4500rpm rev limiter at stand still is for... or maybe you don't:shakes head:

Or we could presume that since you cannot find ONE shred of evidence of Nissan calling it "launch control"...that they never intended it to be.

If they had intended it to be, it would have at least been marketed as such one SOME occasion by Nissan.

HKYStormFront 12-01-2010 03:23 PM
matt, please post a PDF outlining the LC2 (or 3) update where it CLEARLY calls the system "Launch Control" repeatedly for this................. gentleman

StLRedrider 12-01-2010 03:24 PM
:wtf2:

Nitrouz 12-01-2010 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MC (Post 830833)
ive been known to have a little experience with GTRs :tiphat:
psshhh u just read up on it and call yourself an expert.......

ThoriumHotdog 12-01-2010 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MC (Post 830833)
ive been known to have a little experience with GTRs :tiphat:
No you don't! I have a video right here of an interview with you saying otherwise! ;)
( Click to show/hide )

m4a1mustang 12-01-2010 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 830842)
Or one person in the history of humankind could presume that since you cannot find ONE shred of evidence of Nissan calling it "launch control"...that they never intended it to be.

If they had intended it to be, it would have at least been marketed as such one SOME occasion by Nissan.
Fixed. :tup:

ImportConvert 12-01-2010 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront (Post 830843)
matt, please post a PDF outlining the LC2 (or 3) update where it CLEARLY calls the system "Launch Control" repeatedly for this................. gentleman
If MC has paperwork from Nissan refferring to a feature accessed after turning the VDC off as "launch control", then I will gladly admit I am misinformed.

m4a1mustang 12-01-2010 03:28 PM
The only way a GTR could beat me is in a race to get out of a snow drift first.

ImportConvert 12-01-2010 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 830856)
The only way a GTR could beat me is in a race to get out of a snow drift first.
Lol, I am just curious what kind of #'s the 2012 lays down. If it really does 0-60 in under 3 seconds, that is impressive. I am curious if it will be quicker than it's American counterpart, the Z06 in the 1/4.

m4a1mustang 12-01-2010 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 830864)
Lol, I am just curious what kind of #'s the 2012 lays down. If it really does 0-60 in under 3 seconds, that is impressive. I am curious if it will be quicker than it's American counterpart, the Z06 in the 1/4.
I am pretty sure it will be a good bit quicker...


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