Now my Z feels slow!!

ImportConvert · 11-10-2010, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleLion

Back in the day (yes, I am old), sports cars weren't expected to be muscle cars too. This concept is relatively new. I had a Triumph Spitfire that was lucky to do 0-60 in 12 secs and on an upgrade would lose speed in top gear. However, it could corner flat at any speed I dared drive. There was a whole generation of sports cars that raced inside different classes that had horsepower limits. Since my last sports car was a 240Z, which was big fun to drive, but not a powerhouse, I was a little startled to see my 370 packing 332 hp. The 0-60 is plenty fast for me. I have the AT and it has a great downshift. If I floor it, I find myself over 5,000 rpm and the AT doesn't upshift until redline. Major fun.

I also agree that the car is going much faster than I think when I am not looking at the speedo. Typically, I find myself at 85 or 90 when I meant to go (cough cough) the legal 70. Taking turns at speed gets the heart racing. I keep waiting to feel understeer cut in and instead I just stick to the line. That is amazing! Yes, there are many faster cars. Lot's have better acceleration and top speeds. But for me, at least, nothing I have driven is more fun than my 370 (2010).

Your 240 existed during a time where "power" meant a clunky V8 that would destroy a cars balance unless the arse end weighed so much that it balanced it and then the car wasn't very "sporty" in the corners.

With the advent of advanced materials (fiber-glass, carbon-fiber, etc) and V8's that are lighter than V6's, (BMW's 4.4L, for example, weighs several kg less than their former 3.0 in the E46, respectively, and the LS7 only weighs @450# fully assembled), "light" sporty cars are expected to put down enough power to do double-duty from stoplights and at the drag-strip.

Technology has allowed for the advancement of the car outside of its original class, and that's where the rub is. The "muscle" and "pony" cars have been aimed at straightline performance for years, and now the sports-car is having to learn to be fast in a straight line. Similarly, the Camaro SS and pre '11 mustang GT's were laughed at for their "poor" handling and not pulling close to 1g on the skidpad. They are having to learn how to install a suspension on those cars. Over-all "performance" seems to be the new name of the game.

I too experienced the Z accelerating "deceptively" fast on a test-drive. It got me a fly-by with the lights on from an undercover car.
I think it has to do with the wonderfully FLAT! torque curve that Nissan has managed through some tuning magic. My LS1 had a similar (but not as flat) torque curve and it felt slower than my LT1, which hit more like a hammer. I raced a few LS1's (again, in my back-yard) with my LT1, and am here to say that is not the case. Even cammed LT1's couldn't hold a candle to the LS1 based on my experiences. There is a lot to be said for how far Nissan has stretched the life-span of the VQ. It makes me think of GM's 3800. For what it's worth, none of the 3 370's I was in or drove had any "high rpm harshness" that the magazines get after them for. I don't even know what that term means, really. They didn't like the exhaust note, I guess.

Zsteve · 11-10-2010, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitex

I almost bought a used 996, only problem was the fact that i much prefer the 997's. So i couldn't pull the trigger.. And used a 997 is the cost of a new GTR hahah... Between the 2 id take the GTR...

And if you can afford the price tag of that car the maintenance costs wouldnt matter.

ImportConvert · 11-10-2010, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

And if you can afford the price tag of that car the maintenance costs wouldnt matter.

I don't know, man. I used to say that, but think about it. If the person is paying cash, I agree with you. If financing, maybe, maybe not. I know I could not afford a blown engine/transmission on a supercar if I was also paying a note on it.

Zsteve · 11-10-2010, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I don't know, man. I used to say that, but think about it. If the person is paying cash, I agree with you. If financing, maybe, maybe not. I know I could not afford a blown engine/transmission on a supercar if I was also paying a note on it.

then you shouldnt be owning a car you cant maintain. But if you can afford a 100K car, even if making payments then paying for scheduled maintenance not repairs that are covered under warrenty shouldnt matter.

ImportConvert · 11-10-2010, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

then you shouldnt be owning a car you cant maintain. But if you can afford a 100K car, even if making payments then paying for scheduled maintenance not repairs that are covered under warrenty shouldnt matter.

Well, if you can just spring for a $20K transmission next month, sure, buy a GT-R out of warranty. I just don't know many people who can.

I am not talking about brakes/oil/etc. That's not under warranty either except for BMW's 50K thing.

PapoZalsa · 11-10-2010, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitex

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Keep it up and your Z will be even faster due to weight loss!

Well according to recently medical journal, the average human carries an average of 35 lbs of $hit. So keep if your fat a$$ take a dump and there is one of your weight reduction. Then do some freaking exercise!

Jeffblue · 11-10-2010, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PapoZalsa

Well according to recently medical journal, the average human carries an average of 35 lbs of $hit. So keep if your fat a$$ take a dump and there is one of your weight reduction. Then do some freaking exercise!

35 lbs of feces in the body at once? i highly doubt that

ImportConvert · 11-10-2010, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PapoZalsa

Well according to recently medical journal, the average human carries an average of 35 lbs of $hit. So keep if your fat a$$ take a dump and there is one of your weight reduction. Then do some freaking exercise!

I have gained roughly 2.5 horsepower in the last 4 years. I am proud of my weight reduction.

Also, are you sure it was 35#? I thought it was 10#. 35# of **** would be like 4 milk-jugs full. My abdomen is nowhere NEAR that big, lol. Much less with room for all the other organs. Then, I doubt I hold 10# of crap. Lots of people don't eat right/are lethargic and don't have a BM every day, though.

Zsteve · 11-10-2010, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

35 lbs of feces in the body at once? i highly doubt that

That guy was just full of sh!t, thats all.

Jeffblue · 11-10-2010, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

That guy was just full of sh!t, thats all.

haha

the trrend i am noticing is indeed trying to improve 'all around' performance. Sports cars are getting more power, and muscle cars are getting better suspension and handling. In the end, i think the consumer wins. a mustang will still be a mustang at heart, but it will be a better handling, more balanced mustang. A Z will still be a Z at heart, but it will have more power.

m4a1mustang · 11-11-2010, 08:16 AM

Everything is just coming together. Muscle cars that handle. Sports cars that haul ***...

Pretty soon Al Gore will take over the universe and smelt our cars, forcing us to drive Leafs.

While he still flies his private jet and leaves rental cars on in parking lots for hours, of course.

ImportConvert · 11-11-2010, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Everything is just coming together. Muscle cars that handle. Sports cars that haul ***...

Pretty soon Al Gore will take over the universe and smelt our cars, forcing us to drive Leafs.

While he still flies his private jet and leaves rental cars on in parking lots for hours, of course.

Dude. How rude/tacky can you get? You know this forum? On the Internet? Al Gore invented the Internet. Without Him, you couldn't spurt your opinion on the Internet. Insulting the man via his own creation. SHAME! A new low!

m4a1mustang · 11-11-2010, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Dude. How rude/tacky can you get? You know this forum? On the Internet? Al Gore invented the Internet. Without Him, you couldn't spurt your opinion on the Internet. Insulting the man via his own creation. SHAME! A new low!

I'm sorry, Al Gore.

ImportConvert · 11-11-2010, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I'm sorry, Al Gore.

You better. He'll get you after his nap-time!

Cell · 11-11-2010, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

it is good. And not even to make the Z feel better. I just like driving as many different cars as I can when I get the opportunity. I like to feel the differences, play with new toggles and gauges, see how different the car feels in traffic, etc.

I think this is part of what makes someone an enthusiast. If you've ever looked at your buddy's junker with its keys in your hands and thought, "this'll be fun", you are an enthusiast. If you've been in that same spot and thought, *huff puff* "My car is better, so this will be bothersome", then you're an elitist. Note, the two groups often overlap.

lol My buddy used to have a 1988 honda civic. He used it to do his deliveries.

When I drove that thing I really wanted to buy one for myself. I am not joking either. the car was so slow that it was funny and enjoyable. Every time I floored it the car would be the same as driving it normally. lol

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