So how is everyone pleased with their Z performance wise?

Endgame · 10-27-2010, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I gotta be honest, many of the American cars out now are just as nice, if not nicer, than the Japanese or European competitors. This is partially due to American manufacturers stepping it up, and also due to a drop in quality in imports. People that continually parrot the belief that imports are superior in that regard are generally mislead. My the road noise and creaks in the Z are worse than most American cars. The new Civics and Sentras and what-not have tons of funky noises and problems.

You can ask most of the guys that have made the switch to the stang how they feel-- I think the stang is actually put together better. The Z06's that I have been in felt to have better interior quality (in terms of build) than the Z, just as an aside.

As far as the original question--I think you've just got to drive them and see what speaks to you. The best car on paper isn't always the best car for you.

I disagree some with your comment.

1. My Z does not creak at all. The 350 creaked, but not this car.
2. The Stang and the Z06 are both as loud as the Z IMO.

The US automakers have had to step it up to remain competitive, but rest assured, cuts were made somewhere. It is just a matter of time before those Accountant cuts start to come to light.

To that point, you are 115% correct. The best car on paper is not always the best car for you. Go drive them and make the decision.

BTW, I read a technical article on the VQ37VHR and WOW, the is a lot of technoloy in that engine. Much more than the new Coyote 5.0 or Z06 engine. I also understand why the Z's engine is loud. In the same way the Honda engines go insane (in great way) when VTEC kicks in, the Z's engine goes insane when the VVEL goes into full effect at about 5000 RPM.

ImportConvert · 10-27-2010, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

I disagree some with your comment.

1. My Z does not creak at all. The 350 creaked, but not this car.
2. The Stang and the Z06 are both as loud as the Z IMO.

The US automakers have had to step it up to remain competitive, but rest assured, cuts were made somewhere. It is just a matter of time before those Accountant cuts start to come to light.

To that point, you are 115% correct. The best car on paper is not always the best car for you. Go drive them and make the decision.

BTW, I read a technical article on the VQ37VHR and WOW, the is a lot of technoloy in that engine. Much more than the new Coyote 5.0 or Z06 engine. I also understand why the Z's engine is loud. In the same way the Honda engines go insane (in great way) when VTEC kicks in, the Z's engine goes insane when the VVEL goes into full effect at about 5000 RPM.

They did cut costs. The new mustang uses a lot the design that the '05 did. The 'vette remains majorly unchanged since '05, and Dodge. Well, I don't feel like talking about them, Chrysler stuff usually is sub-par in most "quality" categories, and the one car that wasn't, died this year.

Nissan spent money re-doing their car. Ford and GM just spent a little money re-vamping the old, except for Ford's Coyote engine, which is just the 5.0 "cammer" plus a few tweaks that has been around for over a decade.

Yes the Nissan engine has more technology. Yay for it. It also makes the least power of the 6.2L or the 5.0L, gets worse gas mileage, and isn't any more reliable than its competators.

Mag350Z · 10-27-2010, 12:22 PM

the Z06 is in a completely different category than any Z or Mustang, including the GT 500 which almost weighs 2 tons

ImportConvert · 10-27-2010, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mag350Z

the Z06 is in a completely different category than any Z or Mustang, including the GT 500 which almost weighs 2 tons

Used Z06's are the same price as new 370's, and most are garage queens. This makes them a consideration I think.

Mag350Z · 10-27-2010, 12:59 PM

i meant performance wise
honestly if anyone could get a C6 Z06 in good condition for the price of a Z or Mustang, it seems to me like an obvious choice
the car weighs around 3100 lbs and has over 500HP

ImportConvert · 10-27-2010, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mag350Z

i meant performance wise
honestly if anyone could get a C6 Z06 in good condition for the price of a Z or Mustang, it seems to me like an obvious choice
the car weighs around 3100 lbs and has over 500HP

They are there for the taking. People just don't think about that kind of stuff. I know when I was in college, I had a ram-air Trans Am. Even teachers said snide things about "my expensive car" when I complained that books ran what they did. In truth, the girls with the civic's and base mustangs paid more for their ride than I did. Got the car in great shape for $12K. People thought I paid a lot more. I have found that most are not interested in, or even understand, how to "get a deal" and just take everything at face-value. My former roommate had a loaded out '04 C5. He hit the same steriotype. Car cost $24K--about what a used Accord a year or two old ran if it had any decent options.

Endgame · 10-27-2010, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mag350Z

i meant performance wise
honestly if anyone could get a C6 Z06 in good condition for the price of a Z or Mustang, it seems to me like an obvious choice
the car weighs around 3100 lbs and has over 500HP

But just keep in mind the Z06 is the most difficult to drive of the 3....

ihatepotholes · 10-27-2010, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

But just keep in mind the Z06 is the most difficult to drive of the 3....

very true... i drove a z06 and a couple of c6. although they are light, but they certainly didn't feel that way. in pros hands vettes are really fast on the tracks. but i don't like the way they handled, or the way the car responds to driver's input. coming from evos, vette's steering feels numb and lazy. in no way im suggesting they don't handle well, it's just i didn't enjoy it.

i didn't like the way 350z handled either, sold my brand new 350z after 2 months of ownership and lost pants on it... engine response nothing like a sports car, handled like a boat. hopefully 370z is a big improvement...

ninous26 · 10-27-2010, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Used Z06's are the same price as new 370's, and most are garage queens. This makes them a consideration I think.

This.

Also thank you for those links to autotrader with those Z06's.. Very cheap, too bad AZ prices aren't that good :/ I may have to go out of state for one.

Nissans VHR engine is unique.. I have a feeling once VVEL is cracked the car will see some big power.

m4a1mustang · 10-27-2010, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

I disagree some with your comment.

1. My Z does not creak at all. The 350 creaked, but not this car.
2. The Stang and the Z06 are both as loud as the Z IMO.

As I've lived with both let me tell you that both the Z and Mustang have their creaks and squeaks and bumps. My Z had some really annoying hatch rattle, passenger door rattle, and ECU whine. So far the Mustang only has a little rattle from the rear over bumps.

Stock for stock the Mustang is MUCH quieter than the Z. There is a lot of sound deadening built in. So much, in fact, that they had to use some silly sound-tube contraption to pump engine noise into the cabin.

I'm not saying this is a plus/minus... just stating that, stock, this thing is almost as quiet as a Lexus.

waaaasabi · 10-27-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

BTW, I read a technical article on the VQ37VHR and WOW, the is a lot of technoloy in that engine. Much more than the new Coyote 5.0 or Z06 engine. I also understand why the Z's engine is loud. In the same way the Honda engines go insane (in great way) when VTEC kicks in, the Z's engine goes insane when the VVEL goes into full effect at about 5000 RPM.

Hey if you don't mind, could you please share the article (if its on digits)? I love reading those sorts of things.

wilsonp · 10-27-2010, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by waaaasabi

Hey if you don't mind, could you please share the article (if its on digits)? I love reading those sorts of things.

A quick Google finds:
http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/DOCU...0713VVEL-e.pdf

I also read this article and watched the Nissan animated presentations:
Nissans 370Z VQ37VHR

NISSAN | TECHNOLOGICAL DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES | Overview | VVEL (Variable Valve Event and Lift system)

And, after seeing all that, I decided I definitely needed an extended warranty for the 370Z

Endgame · 10-27-2010, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by waaaasabi

Hey if you don't mind, could you please share the article (if its on digits)? I love reading those sorts of things.

I will see if I can find it and will definately post it.

M4A1 - Wow, my Z has none of those creeks yours did and is definitely more quiet than the Stangs. Interesting.

And Import Convert - I think we should just agree to disagree on a few of your points... I think what Nissan did with a V6 is outstanding. Look at BMW, they could not get any more from their I6 in the M3 and had to go to the 8. Nissan's work if outstanding.

In the end, get what makes you happy. And stay out of Canada Import Convert! lol.

ImportConvert · 10-27-2010, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

I will see if I can find it and will definately post it.

M4A1 - Wow, my Z has none of those creeks yours did and is definitely more quiet than the Stangs. Interesting.

And Import Convert - I think we should just agree to disagree on a few of your points... I think what Nissan did with a V6 is outstanding. Look at BMW, they could not get any more from their I6 in the M3 and had to go to the 8. Nissan's work if outstanding.

In the end, get what makes you happy. And stay out of Canada Import Convert! lol.

Still not getting your Canadian joke. I am the last person you would find there. Socialism sucks.

Yes, the engine is nice, but BMW did that back in 2003. Porsche gets over 400 from their 6-banger, BMW just evolved in a different direction is all.

Still, it's a 332bhp engine. Who cares how wonderfully it's crafted? Its not the most reliable, and it is behind the times in the power department for the car it's in. I guess if you just want to look at it/stare at spread-sheets, that's fine. Appreciate it for the work of art that it is. I am more interested in how the car feels when I floor it.

Soygen · 10-27-2010, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Still not getting your Canadian joke. I am the last person you would find there. Socialism sucks.

Yes, the engine is nice, but BMW did that back in 2003. Porsche gets over 400 from their 6-banger, BMW just evolved in a different direction is all.

Still, it's a 332bhp engine. Who cares how wonderfully it's crafted? Its not the most reliable, and it is behind the times in the power department for the car it's in. I guess if you just want to look at it/stare at spread-sheets, that's fine. Appreciate it for the work of art that it is. I am more interested in how the car feels when I floor it.

Looking through your posting history, it seems you're really obsessed with pointing out how disappointing the 370Z is on a forum full of people happy with their car. We get it. It's not fast or powerful enough for you. Who are you trying to convince?

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Mag350Z Base Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 95 Drives: 2011 GS Corvette Rep Power: 17	the Z06 is in a completely different category than any Z or Mustang, including the GT 500 which almost weighs 2 tons

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Mag350Z Base Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 95 Drives: 2011 GS Corvette Rep Power: 17	i meant performance wise honestly if anyone could get a C6 Z06 in good condition for the price of a Z or Mustang, it seems to me like an obvious choice the car weighs around 3100 lbs and has over 500HP