inside line mustang GT vs 370z 03.11.09

k.alexander · 03-11-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by rednek01

what does that have to do with the discussion? And even further any car on any given day can beat any other car there are way too many factors involved including but not limited to the driver and his abilities, how the car is maintained, mods on either car, weather conditions, etc....

^ Well, it does have something to do with the discussion, seeing how the two cars are being compared. I'll grant you that every instance is just that, an individual instance, and many factors are always at play, but I do not see how that is different from the factors that are at play when R&T does their tests. Simply offering another data point/result into the mix of the conversation.

SiXK · 03-11-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by rednek01

what does that have to do with the discussion?

just a couple of things like a 370Z and a Mustang.

SoCal 370Z · 03-11-2009, 10:38 AM

As an enthusiast I like both. I have owned a 1967 Mustang fastback and loved it. This current version of the Mustang is really quite good.

jakoye · 03-11-2009, 10:46 AM

I own a Mustang GT now, so I know of what the reviewer speaks of... the lack of low-end torque, the vagueness of the steering, the Peter the Rabbit hopping the back end does on uneven pavement...

All of this gives me confidence that I will be well-pleased with the 370z when I do get it. I want that sure handling, the steady torque, the wrap-around feel. I will happily sacrifice my extra two seats (hardly ever used) and trunk (okay, I use that, but I think I could do without) for a return to an uncompromising sports car.

It'll be like 1991 all over again for me (except with a better Z!)!

msl82 · 03-11-2009, 11:11 AM

Of course the Z will win over Stang....

My question is, how will our Z will compete against new V-8 Camaro.

jakoye · 03-11-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by msl82

Of course the Z will win over Stang....

My question is, how will our Z will compete against new V-8 Camaro.

I think it will be about the same dealio, except the Camaro will probably be a bit faster in a straight line. Handling and interior quality/design should still be the province of the Z.

SoCal 370Z · 03-11-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jakoye

I think it will be about the same dealio, except the Camaro will probably be a bit faster in a straight line. Handling and interior quality/design should still be the province of the Z.

Mustang's new interior is nice; Challenger and the new Camaro, so-so.

Asheth · 03-11-2009, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rednek01

I understand why they are being compared, I realize it is because of the numbers but what I am focusing on is the design and goals of each car are completely different. Yes the numbers are similar but no they are not both full fledged sports cars. This is where my aftermarket argument comes in, if you take a car that is having to appeal to so many different people and wants then the parts that come stock on the car are going to be fairly watered down to be able to handle more than just being a drag car or a sports car. So basically the mustang is a platform car meaning after you buy it you make it what you want whether it be a drag car, track car, or just a good looking cruiser. The Z from the factory is a sports car with the track in mind

Well I would consider the Z to be a full fledged sports car. 2 seats good amount of HP, great suspension. Designed with speed and handling in mind. Are there faster sports cars out there? Yes! At any rate the Z is a sports car and just because the Mustang has a back seat doesn't exclude it from being a sports car GT-R has back seats Spec-V GT-R doesn't both are sports cars Porsche 911 GT has backseats and is a sports car. The backseats aren't roomy like in a sedan but there backseats nonetheless and in a sports car. I think when Ford makes a new edition to the Mustang they don't say lets make a great cruiser they are making a muscle car/sports car that has back seats priced around $30k which is what they accomplish.

370sed · 03-12-2009, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by rednek01

and as far as the solid axle comments give me a break!!!

Granted a IRS set up will always out perform given the engineering behind it, but look at some track cars in say the American Iron league and other racing areas and tell me the solid rear axle is still terrible, I guarantee you will be surprised just how well a solid axle can perform given the right mods

American Iron League??? steel workers or huh?? No I'm not surprised a solid rear axle isn't terrible...... but the point is this is a comparo and here are two cars, and for similar money (base+some option), one is far more compromised in it's design, producing far less capable on road behavior.

Who knows if the goal was to stay 'retro' or because Ford just cheaped out the car, but the bottom line is it's a compromised design no matter how fast it goes 0-60 or 0-100mph, when it comes to actually having to drive the car on other than a straight road (dragway), the difference is readily apparent, or so the story says.

Obviously the 'tang is what it is, with big discounts, a fairly decent wallet-friendly performance everyman's car.....and all optioned up or modded 3 ways from Sunday by a race shop, an original muscle car. Nevertheless it can't escape it's designers builtin DNA, which limits it's ultimate potential at birth....and the story readily shows that in so many ways.

msl82 · 03-12-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jakoye

I think it will be about the same dealio, except the Camaro will probably be a bit faster in a straight line. Handling and interior quality/design should still be the province of the Z.

I dont think its going to be same dealio as comparing to Rustang....

The new Camaro V-8 is going to be low 4 sec 0-60 car. I think it will easily walk on our Z in straight line.

And with very good looking exterior/interior while having same price range as ours, its going to be very tight competition....

By the way, did you guys know that the new Camaro will have Angel light available for sports package? it looks so sick....

rednek01 · 03-12-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 370sed

American Iron League??? steel workers or huh?? No I'm not surprised a solid rear axle isn't terrible...... but the point is this is a comparo and here are two cars, and for similar money (base+some option), one is far more compromised in it's design, producing far less capable on road behavior.

Who knows if the goal was to stay 'retro' or because Ford just cheaped out the car, but the bottom line is it's a compromised design no matter how fast it goes 0-60 or 0-100mph, when it comes to actually having to drive the car on other than a straight road (dragway), the difference is readily apparent, or so the story says.

Obviously the 'tang is what it is, with big discounts, a fairly decent wallet-friendly performance everyman's car.....and all optioned up or modded 3 ways from Sunday by a race shop, an original muscle car. Nevertheless it can't escape it's designers builtin DNA, which limits it's ultimate potential at birth....and the story readily shows that in so many ways.

Pardon me American Iron racing NASA's American Iron Racing - Home

I guess again the point I was trying to make is the way I see it the Z is made to be a sports car plain and simple and the mustang is made to be basically an any car meaning it can be used in many areas so it lacks in ever area as well. and as far as escaping its designers built in DNA is pretty far off considering what all you can do and change. The aftermarket for the mustang is incredible and you are only limited by budget and your imagination. You cant tell me that a stang that has been made into a full fledged drag car that runs 6's all day long is limited by its original DNA, or that a full out modified for racing (agent 47 http://www.agentfortyseven.com/home.htmland or griggs racing http://www.griggsracing.com/) that i wouldn't be surprised if it could out handle any Z car that was bought from a dealer then modified for the track is limited by its "original DNA"

Robert_Nash · 03-12-2009, 11:27 AM

Having owed a 1973 Formula 400 Firebird, a 1976 50^th Anniversary Edition (black/gold) TransAm, a 1979 Black/Gold Edition TransAm and a 2000 Camaro Z/28 (all purchased new); I’ve had a bit of experience with pony cars.

As such, I’ve always found it a bit odd that magazines insist on comparing cars like the Z to Mustangs and Camaros and such…despite their similarities, they are really very different animals and comparing them just seems like more of an excuse to write a magazine article that it is to do any serious look at the vehicles in question.

The new Camaro coming out, assuming it really does come out, should be a hell of a car…I may even buy one, but I just don’t see it as a vehicle that the Z should be compared to.

At least that’s my $0.02

rednek01 · 03-12-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash

Having owed a 1973 Formula 400 Firebird, a 1976 50^th Anniversary Edition (black/gold) TransAm, a 1979 Black/Gold Edition TransAm and a 2000 Camaro Z/28 (all purchased new); I’ve had a bit of experience with pony cars.

As such, I’ve always found it a bit odd that magazines insist on comparing cars like the Z to Mustangs and Camaros and such…despite their similarities, they are really very different animals and comparing them just seems like more of an excuse to write a magazine article that it is to do any serious look at the vehicles in question.

The new Camaro coming out, assuming it really does come out, should be a hell of a car…I may even buy one, but I just don’t see it as a vehicle that the Z should be compared to.

At least that’s my $0.02

THANK YOU!!! I agree totally and this was part of my argument.

DIGItonium · 03-12-2009, 12:26 PM

People will still pit these cars against each other no matter what especially if they're in the same price range.

Robert_Nash · 03-12-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DIGItonium

People will still pit these cars against each other no matter what especially if they're in the same price range.

Oh I've no doubt they will...any magazine article comparing a Mustang or a Camaro to anything (especially a Japanese car) is a guaranteed bump in sales...it's like a radio talk show host talking about abortion or gun control...calls into the show are absolutely guaranteed!

03-11-2009, 10:46 AM	#19 (permalink)
jakoye Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Seattle Posts: 257 Drives: 06 Mustang GT Rep Power: 16	I own a Mustang GT now, so I know of what the reviewer speaks of... the lack of low-end torque, the vagueness of the steering, the Peter the Rabbit hopping the back end does on uneven pavement... All of this gives me confidence that I will be well-pleased with the 370z when I do get it. I want that sure handling, the steady torque, the wrap-around feel. I will happily sacrifice my extra two seats (hardly ever used) and trunk (okay, I use that, but I think I could do without) for a return to an uncompromising sports car. It'll be like 1991 all over again for me (except with a better Z!)! __________________ Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven.

03-12-2009, 11:27 AM	#27 (permalink)
Robert_Nash Track Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Middle TN/Savannah GA Posts: 762 Drives: '14 Q60IPL/'14Armada Rep Power: 17	Having owed a 1973 Formula 400 Firebird, a 1976 50^th Anniversary Edition (black/gold) TransAm, a 1979 Black/Gold Edition TransAm and a 2000 Camaro Z/28 (all purchased new); I’ve had a bit of experience with pony cars. As such, I’ve always found it a bit odd that magazines insist on comparing cars like the Z to Mustangs and Camaros and such…despite their similarities, they are really very different animals and comparing them just seems like more of an excuse to write a magazine article that it is to do any serious look at the vehicles in question. The new Camaro coming out, assuming it really does come out, should be a hell of a car…I may even buy one, but I just don’t see it as a vehicle that the Z should be compared to. At least that’s my $0.02 __________________ Robert -My Basset Hound Is Smarter Than Your Honor Student and Barack Obama - Last edited by Robert_Nash; 03-12-2009 at 11:29 AM.

03-12-2009, 12:26 PM	#29 (permalink)
DIGItonium A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kansas Posts: 3,800 Drives: 09 Z34-TT 6MT Rep Power: 42	People will still pit these cars against each other no matter what especially if they're in the same price range. __________________

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