Z vs Gen.

matt@qc · 09-26-2010, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

and a 335i is a poor mans m3 and an m3 is a poor mans 911 turbo and a 911 turbo is a poor mans bugati veyron...

People don't put down the quality of hyundai until hyundai fans try to pull this whole 'we're just as good or better than x, y, z cars. hyundai genesis is a solid car. Its a really good value. Leave it at that and stop trying to compare it to cars that aren't in the same class. Its better than a civic or a corrolla or anything else ints price range.

I agree. Though pretending the Genesis Coupe isn't in the same class nor competing with the G37 is of a snobbish attitude usually attributed to BMW drivers and quite frankly, out of touch from reality.

As I stated earlier, the GC is not comparable to the Z, it is to the G and this is shown in pretty much all the Genesis Coupe's marketing material and comparisons over the internet.

I'd like you guys to re-visit Edmund's Inside line review, and who actually came out on top and why. You'll find it is in line with what I stated earlier.

Lemers · 09-26-2010, 08:07 PM

All I know is that this thread went from Z vs Gen to G37 vs Gen real quick. I guess even the Gen owner knows he can't touch the Z.

LunaZ · 10-07-2010, 07:32 AM

I want a Z · 10-07-2010, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by LunaZ

I've see the video, surprises me the did under 5 sec with the Z
is that normal

Zsteve · 10-07-2010, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by I want a Z

I've see the video, surprises me the did under 5 sec with the Z
is that normal

not on the street

theDreamer · 09-26-2010, 09:19 PM

Using edmunds is laughable, they review cars on mpg, cup holders and other random traits. Sorry, but that is not a website I would use when trying to put then gen coupe in the G group.

matt@qc · 09-26-2010, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Using edmunds is laughable, they review cars on mpg, cup holders and other random traits. Sorry, but that is not a website I would use when trying to put then gen coupe in the G group.

I will let the video do the talking.

If you still wish to dismiss this review, you are welcome to review the specs of both cars.

300hp + V6 - check
RWD - check
2+2 - check
GT Sport car - check
Asian origins - check
LSD - check
4 piston brakes - check
19" in wheels - check
Leather, power, heated seats - check
Bluetooth - check

If you still want to dismiss the GC as a competitor to the G37, then I feel you are far from a car enthusiast and derive into car snob ism.

ninous26 · 09-26-2010, 09:37 PM

I think the Genesis 3.8 is highly over rated.. They struggle against G35's and with a couple mods on a G they start to lose pretty bad. Look up youtube videos.

EDIT: Speaking performance wise.. I still think the Genesis is pretty hot.

Supergoji · 09-26-2010, 10:16 PM

alrighhhht.

first off a well driven 350z is a low to mid 13 second car.

next a Genesis coupe is not 90% of a G37. that we all know. but it's close as far as luxury and standard features go.

the genesis coupe is an ok car, but it needs a couple more generations till becomes a great car. with the proper body mods it looks great, it sounds great, and im sure with the proper suspension mods it handles great too. but out of the factory it needs work.

and the engine in the genesis is FAR from bulletproof, hyundai shot themselves in the foot when they decided to use a watered down version of the 4B11, instead of using the lancer evo's engine. they should have also given it better gearing. which we all know helps.

right now ford rules the roost as far as cheap speed goes. the EVO may have a chance but it's still a 4cyl and doesnt have the wide range of power and torque that the V8's and stronger V6's have. for the money its a great car, but for 30,000, i'd rather have a mustang GT with 430hp (412hp is the underrated advertised amount)

Now that the Z is in it's 7th generation nissan has finally started to get a bit of a grip on the performance thing. they nailed it with the twin turbo 300zx THAT engine is near bulletproof with examples being taken up to 750hp that are daily driven on the stock internals. but the current Z still has some issues which need addressing

no rear wiper
no turbos
ice-mode
no rear camera
and AGAIN with the freaking transmissions. then again nissan has never had a great transmission... there's always been some issue with the slave cylinder or the synchros or somthing in the performance cars. save the R35 GTR, the Z32, and the last gen GTR's as far as i know. Z32's, R32's and R33's had issues with the 4th and 5th gear synchros but it was later addressed with the Z32's 1998 transmission.

anyways the Z34 is a much better car then the Gen coupe, both in performance, looks and modability. the Z has and will always be a cult favorite, and performance benchmark and bargain. for the money right now there is no other FR car that can match it's all around performance. yes the camaro and GT are faster in a straight line but the Z is better in all the other aspects.

however for the money if you dont have the extra 10grand to spend on a Z the Gen coupe is great for what it is, a bargain sporty car.

butt if you have the 30k to 35k to spend on a Z or Gen coupe, i'd rather get a Supra, or an NSx, or a 300zx or a 350z and dump 20g's into it.

daisuke149 · 09-26-2010, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Supergoji

alrighhhht.

first off a well driven 350z is a low to mid 13 second car.

next a Genesis coupe is not 90% of a G37. that we all know. but it's close as far as luxury and standard features go.

the genesis coupe is an ok car, but it needs a couple more generations till becomes a great car. with the proper body mods it looks great, it sounds great, and im sure with the proper suspension mods it handles great too. but out of the factory it needs work.

and the engine in the genesis is FAR from bulletproof, hyundai shot themselves in the foot when they decided to use a watered down version of the 4B11, instead of using the lancer evo's engine. they should have also given it better gearing. which we all know helps.

right now ford rules the roost as far as cheap speed goes. the EVO may have a chance but it's still a 4cyl and doesnt have the wide range of power and torque that the V8's and stronger V6's have. for the money its a great car, but for 30,000, i'd rather have a mustang GT with 430hp (412hp is the underrated advertised amount)

Now that the Z is in it's 7th generation nissan has finally started to get a bit of a grip on the performance thing. they nailed it with the twin turbo 300zx THAT engine is near bulletproof with examples being taken up to 750hp that are daily driven on the stock internals. but the current Z still has some issues which need addressing

no rear wiper
no turbos
ice-mode
no rear camera
and AGAIN with the freaking transmissions. then again nissan has never had a great transmission... there's always been some issue with the slave cylinder or the synchros or somthing in the performance cars. save the R35 GTR, the Z32, and the last gen GTR's as far as i know. Z32's, R32's and R33's had issues with the 4th and 5th gear synchros but it was later addressed with the Z32's 1998 transmission.

anyways the Z34 is a much better car then the Gen coupe, both in performance, looks and modability. the Z has and will always be a cult favorite, and performance benchmark and bargain. for the money right now there is no other FR car that can match it's all around performance. yes the camaro and GT are faster in a straight line but the Z is better in all the other aspects.

however for the money if you dont have the extra 10grand to spend on a Z the Gen coupe is great for what it is, a bargain sporty car.

butt if you have the 30k to 35k to spend on a Z or Gen coupe, i'd rather get a Supra, or an NSx, or a 300zx or a 350z and dump 20g's into it.

I dont think no rear wiper is an issue. I dont like them
You only need turbo's when you dont have enough performance so thats not really an "issue" thats like saying the z06 not having turbo's is a problem.
No rear camera again isnt an issue...

Issues are the CSC, no oil cooler..

PapoZalsa · 09-27-2010, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149

I dont think no rear wiper is an issue. I dont like them
You only need turbo's when you dont have enough performance so thats not really an "issue" thats like saying the z06 not having turbo's is a problem.
No rear camera again isnt an issue...

Issues are the CSC, no oil cooler..

The rear wiper is not needed! Looks ugly anyway.

The Z is a sport car, not a luxury car for a camera!

The turbos would brought the price up! I'm in the middle in this one...

The only issue is the oil cooler and oil consumption for some owners.

Other than that the Z is a SPORT CAR at a good price!

280z/300zx · 09-27-2010, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Supergoji

alrighhhht.

first off a well driven 350z is a low to mid 13 second car.

Lets make this a bit more clear. The 07-08 350z that has the HR motor is a mid to low 13 sec car. The 03-06 350z is a low 14 to high 13 sec car. Big difference between the two groups.

theDreamer · 09-26-2010, 10:17 PM

How is it snobbish to look at a car, one of which I went in a long test drive for, and define it as not in the same class as a G? Everything you are listing are just specs, but at the end of the day it falls short of competing on any level.

Jordo! · 09-26-2010, 10:21 PM

Now, now -- the CG is a pretty sweet car -- but for the money there is only going to be so much performance/amenities crammed in.

No reason to dis the CG.

Still, I don't see why it gets compared to the G37 (a more luxury oriented car anyway). Was the G37 released before the Z?

theDreamer · 09-26-2010, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Now, now -- the CG is a pretty sweet car -- but for the money there is only going to be so much performance/amenities crammed in.

No reason to dis the CG.

I do not think anyone is dissing the car, but it is not almost a G for a super cheap price.

09-26-2010, 08:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 53	All I know is that this thread went from Z vs Gen to G37 vs Gen real quick. I guess even the Gen owner knows he can't touch the Z. __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

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theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4211	Using edmunds is laughable, they review cars on mpg, cup holders and other random traits. Sorry, but that is not a website I would use when trying to put then gen coupe in the G group. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

09-26-2010, 10:16 PM	#9 (permalink)
Supergoji Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Westchester NY Age: 36 Posts: 311 Drives: Z32tt / Supra tt Rep Power: 257	alrighhhht. first off a well driven 350z is a low to mid 13 second car. next a Genesis coupe is not 90% of a G37. that we all know. but it's close as far as luxury and standard features go. the genesis coupe is an ok car, but it needs a couple more generations till becomes a great car. with the proper body mods it looks great, it sounds great, and im sure with the proper suspension mods it handles great too. but out of the factory it needs work. and the engine in the genesis is FAR from bulletproof, hyundai shot themselves in the foot when they decided to use a watered down version of the 4B11, instead of using the lancer evo's engine. they should have also given it better gearing. which we all know helps. right now ford rules the roost as far as cheap speed goes. the EVO may have a chance but it's still a 4cyl and doesnt have the wide range of power and torque that the V8's and stronger V6's have. for the money its a great car, but for 30,000, i'd rather have a mustang GT with 430hp (412hp is the underrated advertised amount) Now that the Z is in it's 7th generation nissan has finally started to get a bit of a grip on the performance thing. they nailed it with the twin turbo 300zx THAT engine is near bulletproof with examples being taken up to 750hp that are daily driven on the stock internals. but the current Z still has some issues which need addressing no rear wiper no turbos ice-mode no rear camera and AGAIN with the freaking transmissions. then again nissan has never had a great transmission... there's always been some issue with the slave cylinder or the synchros or somthing in the performance cars. save the R35 GTR, the Z32, and the last gen GTR's as far as i know. Z32's, R32's and R33's had issues with the 4th and 5th gear synchros but it was later addressed with the Z32's 1998 transmission. anyways the Z34 is a much better car then the Gen coupe, both in performance, looks and modability. the Z has and will always be a cult favorite, and performance benchmark and bargain. for the money right now there is no other FR car that can match it's all around performance. yes the camaro and GT are faster in a straight line but the Z is better in all the other aspects. however for the money if you dont have the extra 10grand to spend on a Z the Gen coupe is great for what it is, a bargain sporty car. butt if you have the 30k to 35k to spend on a Z or Gen coupe, i'd rather get a Supra, or an NSx, or a 300zx or a 350z and dump 20g's into it. Last edited by Supergoji; 09-26-2010 at 10:24 PM.

09-26-2010, 10:17 PM	#13 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4211	How is it snobbish to look at a car, one of which I went in a long test drive for, and define it as not in the same class as a G? Everything you are listing are just specs, but at the end of the day it falls short of competing on any level. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

09-26-2010, 09:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
ninous26 Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Phoenix AZ Posts: 112 Drives: 03 G35 black 5AT Rep Power: 16	I think the Genesis 3.8 is highly over rated.. They struggle against G35's and with a couple mods on a G they start to lose pretty bad. Look up youtube videos. EDIT: Speaking performance wise.. I still think the Genesis is pretty hot.

09-26-2010, 10:21 PM	#14 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 419	Now, now -- the CG is a pretty sweet car -- but for the money there is only going to be so much performance/amenities crammed in. No reason to dis the CG. Still, I don't see why it gets compared to the G37 (a more luxury oriented car anyway). Was the G37 released before the Z? __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it. Last edited by Jordo!; 09-26-2010 at 10:26 PM.