Z vs Gen.

shadoquad · 10-03-2010, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by I want a Z

Just test drove a 3.8 Tack this weekend. I went in not expecting to like it, thinking it wouild be under powered and not fun to drive. Boy was I wrong, I actually really liked the Gen Coupe. I also tested the G37 but found the seats very uncomfortable, the bottom bolstering just hit me in the wrong spots and I am not a big guy.
The price is great but not a real factor in my decisions, I can afford an M3, G37 what ever - but I do consider the value/price ratio.
I am just looking for something that I like.

I have been testing a bunch of cars current short list is
370Z, 335IS/M3 (That's a whole different discussion there), Mustang 5.0, Gen Coupe.

tested and didn't make the short list: Audi TT, Lexus 350IS, G37 (actually loved everything about this car but could never live with the seats)

Anything I am missing that I should drive?

That's a pretty good list. Of course, I don't know all your deciding factors, but Porsche Boxster/Cayman, Mazda RX-8, and maybe a Vette or slightly used 911 come to mind. If you have reasons for not being interested in those, that's cool, too. And of course, when you mention the Mustang, you can take the pepsi challenge with the Camaro and/or Challenger, but I have a feeling the Stang's at the top of that class.

Lemers · 10-03-2010, 12:07 PM

With the Z, camaro, 11 Mustang the Gen Coupe just comes up too little too late. Maybe in a few years they'll consider future competition and not current competition.

In the world of sports car and coupes the game is not won be keeping up with the Joneses but beating them into submission.

I want a Z · 10-04-2010, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

That's a pretty good list. Of course, I don't know all your deciding factors, but Porsche Boxster/Cayman, Mazda RX-8, and maybe a Vette or slightly used 911 come to mind. If you have reasons for not being interested in those, that's cool, too. And of course, when you mention the Mustang, you can take the pepsi challenge with the Camaro and/or Challenger, but I have a feeling the Stang's at the top of that class.

Sat in a Cayman this weekend, I was not inspired to take it for a drive, could see picking that over the Z
RX-8, no desire to even look at it.
Vette - love them but I am not going to buy a GM or Chrysler product.
Camaro/Challenger - do nothing for me either & see above

DIGItonium · 10-04-2010, 08:10 AM

[OFFTOPIC]
^ How about a used NSX? That's what I would like to have if it weren't for the Z heh.
[/OFFTOPIC]

I want a Z · 10-04-2010, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DIGItonium

[OFFTOPIC]
^ How about a used NSX? That's what I would like to have if it weren't for the Z heh.
[/OFFTOPIC]

I have always liked those
Wonder what maintenance is like on them

wilsonp · 10-04-2010, 09:43 AM

Mostly it is like a Honda but expensive at the dealer. Lots of info at NSX Prime so you can see what you are getting into. Of course, there is always the occasional lemon - I spent $4k - $9k a year keeping mine running, counting OEM tires but mostly new parts at the dealer.

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-04-2010, 10:27 AM

I tested the gencoupe. And there are a few things I like about it over the G37. The gencoupe definately feels more tossable than the G, though the G is more precise. I'm comfy in G seats but I'm 6ft and 170lean pounds. If ur a wide dude, those seats just don't cut it. The gencoupe seat design is leagues better than most sport coupes out there. I gotta give hyundai that much. If they switched to some kind of dual clutch tranny? I think the winner of the affordable sports cars would be the gencoupe. I'm just being honest.
But, where I find flaws is in overall interior quality (though not bad, I'm used to infinit quality), the plain grille and the 6at is not geared well for a sports car. I actually needed a auto so I had to go with the most aggressive auto out there.
I tested a lot of automatic sports cars... corvette and camaro are pretty good though not the best trannies. 2011 bmw 135I 7dct is sick with it. I think it rivals the Z in fun factor. Only thing is that electronic lsd sucks. Bmw has an aftermarket covered physical LSD, but, you looking at $5,000 installed. BMW quality aftermarket parts are thru the roof and this is my main reason for not liking bimmer. I can get cheaper quality parts for a porsche. That doesn't make sense to me.

I haven't driven it yet but I would luv to test drive a porsche cayman pdk. I have driven the tiptronic. The Z's tranny feels more aggressive than the tip but I bet the pdk takes it to new levels. That will be my next test.

Red370 · 10-04-2010, 10:39 AM

im still wondering how the genesis keeps somehow getting compared to the Z and other cars that are clearly beyond its class... they're cheap, underpowered, look like an updated Tiburon, no technological advances to speak of, and weigh more than Shumbys girlfriend. Lets stop the comparos yeah?

Lug · 10-04-2010, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by I want a Z

I have always liked those
Wonder what maintenance is like on them

Fiend of mine had one and the clutch pad was $3000. That's not to install, just the price of the part.

chuckd05 · 10-04-2010, 10:42 AM

a 2.0t gen coupe could become a nasty beast if the right things are done... ive seen one with over 400 whp already with about 4k into it.

I want a Z · 10-04-2010, 10:43 AM

I was very unimpressed with the cayman cabin - I didn't drive it because I could not imagine spending any time in there over the Z

I am not a big guy at all but the bottom seat bolsters on the G37 were way uncomfortable.

I drove the BMW 335IS and the DCT awesome but not sure if it is awesome enough to warrant spending twice as much as the Gen Coupe.

Side by side comparisons the Gen Coupe looses in a few categories, but what I need to ask myself is once you drive it off the lot and you are finished with the side by side comparisons, is it a good fun car to drive every day. I think the answer may be yes, and that surprises me.

FuszNissan · 10-04-2010, 10:43 AM

My father-in law has a NSX. And that was the same issue, clutch was crazy expensive, but other than that it's been a great toy for him. He only puts about 1500 miles a year on it, so I guess you have to take that into consideration.

I want a Z · 10-04-2010, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Red370

im still wondering how the genesis keeps somehow getting compared to the Z and other cars that are clearly beyond its class... they're cheap, underpowered, look like an updated Tiburon, no technological advances to speak of, and weigh more than Shumbys girlfriend. Lets stop the comparos yeah?

It's something like 100lbs heavier then the Z with a longer wheelbase and backseats. I would hardly call it heavy.

I can't speak for others, but I am comparing it to the Z because my requirement for a new car is, something comfortable, fast and a fun car to drive and they both fall in that category.

You may one to take one for a drive before you continue to bash it.

Red370 · 10-04-2010, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by I want a Z

It's something like 100lbs heavier then the Z with a longer wheelbase and backseats. I would hardly call it heavy.

I can't speak for others, but I am comparing it to the Z because my requirement for a new car is, something comfortable, fast and a fun car to drive and they both fall in that category.

You may one to take one for a drive before you continue to bash it.

I've had a 370 and now drive a 5.0, I think i'll pass on that Hyundai trash

Red370 · 10-04-2010, 11:01 AM

and as far as the weight is concerned, I was comparing it to the 3.8L, which performance wise, is more on par with the Z.

10-03-2010, 12:07 PM	#77 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 53	With the Z, camaro, 11 Mustang the Gen Coupe just comes up too little too late. Maybe in a few years they'll consider future competition and not current competition. In the world of sports car and coupes the game is not won be keeping up with the Joneses but beating them into submission. __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

10-04-2010, 08:10 AM	#79 (permalink)
DIGItonium A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kansas Posts: 3,800 Drives: 09 Z34-TT 6MT Rep Power: 43	[OFFTOPIC] ^ How about a used NSX? That's what I would like to have if it weren't for the Z heh. [/OFFTOPIC] __________________

10-04-2010, 09:43 AM	#81 (permalink)
wilsonp A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,134 Drives: 2009 Touring Sp Nav Rep Power: 18	Mostly it is like a Honda but expensive at the dealer. Lots of info at NSX Prime so you can see what you are getting into. Of course, there is always the occasional lemon - I spent $4k - $9k a year keeping mine running, counting OEM tires but mostly new parts at the dealer. __________________ 2014 Cayman S PDK Sport Chrono White/Black Was 2009 370Z Touring Sport+Nav 7AT Metallic Black/Persimmon Was 1991 NSX Auto Black/Black

10-04-2010, 10:39 AM	#83 (permalink)
Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 297	im still wondering how the genesis keeps somehow getting compared to the Z and other cars that are clearly beyond its class... they're cheap, underpowered, look like an updated Tiburon, no technological advances to speak of, and weigh more than Shumbys girlfriend. Lets stop the comparos yeah? __________________ 2011 Mustang 5.0 \| 3.55's \| Lethal Performance off road H-Pipe \| Magnaflow Muffler Delete \| JLT CAI/Bama tuned 417whp/ 404 ft/lbs

10-04-2010, 10:42 AM	#85 (permalink)
chuckd05 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NY Posts: 2,391 Drives: No longer a Z Rep Power: 20	a 2.0t gen coupe could become a nasty beast if the right things are done... ive seen one with over 400 whp already with about 4k into it. __________________ 09 370Z 6M PW - FBO Best 1/4 mile = 12.926 @ 109 SOLD -- 08 BMW 135i - FBO 12.1@120mph SOLD -- white 09 e92 335 Coupe Mtech - 11.9 @ 119 :-)

10-04-2010, 10:27 AM	#82 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	I tested the gencoupe. And there are a few things I like about it over the G37. The gencoupe definately feels more tossable than the G, though the G is more precise. I'm comfy in G seats but I'm 6ft and 170lean pounds. If ur a wide dude, those seats just don't cut it. The gencoupe seat design is leagues better than most sport coupes out there. I gotta give hyundai that much. If they switched to some kind of dual clutch tranny? I think the winner of the affordable sports cars would be the gencoupe. I'm just being honest. But, where I find flaws is in overall interior quality (though not bad, I'm used to infinit quality), the plain grille and the 6at is not geared well for a sports car. I actually needed a auto so I had to go with the most aggressive auto out there. I tested a lot of automatic sports cars... corvette and camaro are pretty good though not the best trannies. 2011 bmw 135I 7dct is sick with it. I think it rivals the Z in fun factor. Only thing is that electronic lsd sucks. Bmw has an aftermarket covered physical LSD, but, you looking at $5,000 installed. BMW quality aftermarket parts are thru the roof and this is my main reason for not liking bimmer. I can get cheaper quality parts for a porsche. That doesn't make sense to me. I haven't driven it yet but I would luv to test drive a porsche cayman pdk. I have driven the tiptronic. The Z's tranny feels more aggressive than the tip but I bet the pdk takes it to new levels. That will be my next test.

10-04-2010, 10:43 AM	#86 (permalink)
I want a Z Base Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: MD Posts: 225 Drives: 03 Chevy Avalanche Rep Power: 16	I was very unimpressed with the cayman cabin - I didn't drive it because I could not imagine spending any time in there over the Z I am not a big guy at all but the bottom seat bolsters on the G37 were way uncomfortable. I drove the BMW 335IS and the DCT awesome but not sure if it is awesome enough to warrant spending twice as much as the Gen Coupe. Side by side comparisons the Gen Coupe looses in a few categories, but what I need to ask myself is once you drive it off the lot and you are finished with the side by side comparisons, is it a good fun car to drive every day. I think the answer may be yes, and that surprises me.

10-04-2010, 10:43 AM	#87 (permalink)
FuszNissan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: St. Louis Posts: 14,275 Drives: Pure Sex Rep Power: 543	My father-in law has a NSX. And that was the same issue, clutch was crazy expensive, but other than that it's been a great toy for him. He only puts about 1500 miles a year on it, so I guess you have to take that into consideration. __________________ Mods: Too Many to list! LouFuszNissan ZDAYZ 2012

10-04-2010, 11:01 AM	#90 (permalink)
Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 297	and as far as the weight is concerned, I was comparing it to the 3.8L, which performance wise, is more on par with the Z. __________________ 2011 Mustang 5.0 \| 3.55's \| Lethal Performance off road H-Pipe \| Magnaflow Muffler Delete \| JLT CAI/Bama tuned 417whp/ 404 ft/lbs