so what exactly do you have to do....

mattkim85 · 02-24-2009, 03:57 AM

if you find yourself going sideways?

...on a serious note

BanningZ · 02-24-2009, 04:12 AM

Enjoy your possibly last minutes.

J/K

let off the gas and steer in the direction of the skid

3SeventyZ · 02-24-2009, 05:31 AM

Take your foot off the gas and put it on the brake.

sbkim · 02-24-2009, 07:48 AM

On somewhat off related matter, can you leave traction control OFF but leave the vehicle dynamic stability ON?

Are Zs more tail end happy than other rear wheel drive sports cars? Case in point, I found my C5 vette to slide its rear out easier than even my viper. That VDS (or active handling per GM) saved my a$$ many times. With the Viper, I hardly had any drama prob b/c I was always scared to drive that car hard...

spiderman · 02-24-2009, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sbkim

On somewhat off related matter, can you leave traction control OFF but leave the vehicle dynamic stability ON?

Are Zs more tail end happy than other rear wheel drive sports cars? Case in point, I found my C5 vette to slide its rear out easier than even my viper. That VDS (or active handling per GM) saved my a$$ many times. With the Viper, I hardly had any drama prob b/c I was always scared to drive that car hard...

You have 2 choices ... Traction Control "ON" or Traction Control "OFF".

klubbheads · 02-24-2009, 10:45 AM

You're in LA.
Call me I'll show you.

Before the test drive, i'll give u some tips:
Press the brake pedal as hard as u can and make sure the ABS turns on.
Let go of the steering wheel or better yet steer towards a direction that the nose is pointing to.
If that doesn't work, yank the e-brake and start steering left and right rapidly.
When its all done, post how many points you got.

RCZ · 02-24-2009, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BanningZ

Enjoy your possibly last minutes.

J/K

let off the gas and steer in the direction of the skid

wrong

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3SeventyZ

Take your foot off the gas and put it on the brake.

wrong

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderman

(1) foot off the gas;
(2) ease foot on the brake;
(3) tuck your head, pray, and kiss your a@# good-bye

wrong

Taking your foot off the gas when you are experiencing oversteer will cause you to spin.

What you want to do is apply an adequate amount of countersteer and stay on the gas smoothly until you have the slide under control, only then can you start to ease off the gas. Applying the brakes mid-slide is even worst that getting off the gas.

Don't freak out, don't tuck your head. Controlling a slide can be done 95% of the time. Whatever you do, dont get scared and jump OFF the gas, you will spin into whatever you are trying to avoid.

If you are talking about a full on out of control 4 wheel drift that you can't save because youre in dire dire situations... clutch in, brakes in and let them go when you think you are pointing in the right direction... IE not into a wall.

!xoible · 02-24-2009, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCZ

wrong

wrong

wrong

Taking your foot off the gas when you are experiencing oversteer will cause you to spin.

What you want to do is apply an adequate amount of countersteer and stay on the gas smoothly until you have the slide under control, only then can you start to ease off the gas. Applying the brakes mid-slide is even worst that getting off the gas.

Don't freak out, don't tuck your head. Controlling a slide can be done 95% of the time. Whatever you do, dont get scared and jump OFF the gas, you will spin into whatever you are trying to avoid.

If you are talking about a full on out of control 4 wheel drift that you can't save because youre in dire dire situations... clutch in, brakes in and let them go when you think you are pointing in the right direction... IE not into a wall.

yep. this guy knows to drive. do not ditch the throttle. yes do not push it, but keep the throttle open and ready to make it get out out of the situation.
it also depends on the situation. sometimes counter steering will not help, so letting the car steer itself (depending on what kind of stability control u have) might help.

i also agree on using gears if it's critical.

on my 370z test drive the car went side ways, or the car kept on going straight despite my steering at a corner. my wheels where turned to the right but the car kept on sliding straight. the goddamn rev-match could have killed me coz i couldnt make it engine-stop the car. i had to steer back straight and brake hard. i freaked out but i acted like i knew what i was doing so the salesman doesnt go nuts on me. steering broke on me suddenly, it was a surprise compare to how well the car was handling right before

inTgr8r · 02-24-2009, 12:21 PM

OP.
Do yourself a favour & go to a DE training.
You will learn why RCZ is correct.

!xoible · 02-24-2009, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

Do yourself a favour & go to a DE training.
You will learn why RCZ is correct.

will do, but i never argued that he's not correct. he is!

inTgr8r · 02-24-2009, 01:55 PM

lol... sorry I was referring to the OP
'fixed'

Chupacabra · 02-24-2009, 02:01 PM

For a second there I though that everything i learned at racing school and years of racing was wrong, but then RCZ calmed my concern.

now my question is, i was playing with the traction control system, because it was a sunday.... I noticed that when you kick the tale out and hit the throttle, the computer disengages the throttle, and well it corrects the 'spin' for you.... now I know that this is what its supposed to do, it applies the right amount of power. But question is if you are going at high speeds and get into a spin, will the computer still save you a$$ or does it just say "oh f*ck it let the driver figure it out" and give you control back.

sbkim · 02-24-2009, 02:17 PM

Similar discussion on VDC/TC here:

Hello from sunny North Carolina -- 370Z Traction control vs VDC issue

BoBoTee · 02-24-2009, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BanningZ

Enjoy your possibly last minutes.

J/K

let off the gas and steer in the direction of the skid

+1 don't forget to pump brake lightly.

MaximumPwr · 02-24-2009, 03:50 PM

I caught a crazy second gear last week. I was in the left lane on a one way two lane road. The back end slid into the right lane so I kept my foot on the gas and just went with it(after a very quick look in my right mirror). Traction control was off. I turned the steeling wheel slightly to the right and as I went into the right lane I upshifted to third and it straightened up and I just kept on going. Mental note: make sure tires are warm before doing stuff like that on a cold 35 degree Texas morning, trust me.

02-24-2009, 03:57 AM	#1 (permalink)
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02-24-2009, 04:12 AM	#2 (permalink)
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02-24-2009, 05:31 AM	#3 (permalink)
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02-24-2009, 10:45 AM	#6 (permalink)
klubbheads Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North Hollywood, CA Posts: 221 Drives: Very slow Nismo 370 Rep Power: 16	You're in LA. Call me I'll show you. Before the test drive, i'll give u some tips: Press the brake pedal as hard as u can and make sure the ABS turns on. Let go of the steering wheel or better yet steer towards a direction that the nose is pointing to. If that doesn't work, yank the e-brake and start steering left and right rapidly. When its all done, post how many points you got. Last edited by klubbheads; 02-24-2009 at 10:56 AM.

02-24-2009, 12:21 PM	#9 (permalink)
inTgr8r Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 92 Drives: 08 G35S 6MT Rep Power: 474	OP. Do yourself a favour & go to a DE training. You will learn why RCZ is correct. Last edited by inTgr8r; 02-24-2009 at 01:54 PM.

02-24-2009, 07:48 AM	#4 (permalink)
sbkim Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: nj Posts: 177 Drives: RRSC Rep Power: 16	On somewhat off related matter, can you leave traction control OFF but leave the vehicle dynamic stability ON? Are Zs more tail end happy than other rear wheel drive sports cars? Case in point, I found my C5 vette to slide its rear out easier than even my viper. That VDS (or active handling per GM) saved my a$$ many times. With the Viper, I hardly had any drama prob b/c I was always scared to drive that car hard...

02-24-2009, 01:55 PM	#11 (permalink)
inTgr8r Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 92 Drives: 08 G35S 6MT Rep Power: 474	lol... sorry I was referring to the OP 'fixed'

02-24-2009, 02:01 PM	#12 (permalink)
Chupacabra Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Weston, Florida Posts: 477 Drives: 09 Nissan 370z s M6 Rep Power: 200	For a second there I though that everything i learned at racing school and years of racing was wrong, but then RCZ calmed my concern. now my question is, i was playing with the traction control system, because it was a sunday.... I noticed that when you kick the tale out and hit the throttle, the computer disengages the throttle, and well it corrects the 'spin' for you.... now I know that this is what its supposed to do, it applies the right amount of power. But question is if you are going at high speeds and get into a spin, will the computer still save you a$$ or does it just say "oh f*ck it let the driver figure it out" and give you control back. __________________ Where are my aluminum pedals?

02-24-2009, 02:17 PM	#13 (permalink)
sbkim Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: nj Posts: 177 Drives: RRSC Rep Power: 16	Similar discussion on VDC/TC here: Hello from sunny North Carolina -- 370Z Traction control vs VDC issue Last edited by sbkim; 02-24-2009 at 02:34 PM.

02-24-2009, 03:50 PM	#15 (permalink)
MaximumPwr Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Houston Posts: 78 Drives: 2009 370Z Rep Power: 16	I caught a crazy second gear last week. I was in the left lane on a one way two lane road. The back end slid into the right lane so I kept my foot on the gas and just went with it(after a very quick look in my right mirror). Traction control was off. I turned the steeling wheel slightly to the right and as I went into the right lane I upshifted to third and it straightened up and I just kept on going. Mental note: make sure tires are warm before doing stuff like that on a cold 35 degree Texas morning, trust me.