Hope Nissan is watching this...

kenchan · 06-23-2010, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CBRich

Datsun was already mentioned but what about Nissan and Toyota? They were considered Jap Crap. You sound like my grandfather talking about a Toyota.

in case of toyota, your grandpa got it right, even today.

mjd77 · 06-23-2010, 07:23 PM

Give Hyundai about 5 more years and it wouldn't surprise me if they surpass Honda in sales...that is if Honda keeps going in the wrong direction with their boring designs and lack of any kind of sports coupe or sports car...same goes for Toyota. Honda and Toyota are the poster children for making cars with no soul.

370Zsteve · 06-23-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Haha, it's like the late 60s all over again.

Which means in 5 years we'll all be driving 150 hp pieces of crap.

370Zsteve · 06-23-2010, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

in case of toyota, your grandpa got it right, even today.

"Toyota has a long history in motorsports and has been active in North American racing circuits since the 1970s. Fans have witnessed Toyota victories in races including the Indianapolis 500, the Daytona 24 Hours, the 12 Hours of Sebring, the Baja 1000, the Grand Am Road Racing Series, National Hot Rod Association races, the Championship Auto Racing Team (CART) series and the Pikes Peak Hill Climb where the Toyota Celica still holds the world record. In 2004, Toyota entered the NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series, becoming the first manufacturer to be invited into the NASCAR professional racing ranks outside of the original domestic U.S.-based manufacturers. During this inaugural season in the series, Toyota Tundras visited victory lane four times and recorded five pole positions as well as 25 top-five finishes."

WarmAndSCSI · 06-23-2010, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

"Toyota has a long history in motorsports and has been active in North American racing circuits since the 1970s. Fans have witnessed Toyota victories in races including the Indianapolis 500, the Daytona 24 Hours, the 12 Hours of Sebring, the Baja 1000, the Grand Am Road Racing Series, National Hot Rod Association races, the Championship Auto Racing Team (CART) series and the Pikes Peak Hill Climb where the Toyota Celica still holds the world record. In 2004, Toyota entered the NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series, becoming the first manufacturer to be invited into the NASCAR professional racing ranks outside of the original domestic U.S.-based manufacturers. During this inaugural season in the series, Toyota Tundras visited victory lane four times and recorded five pole positions as well as 25 top-five finishes."

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The LF-A is way out of 99.9% of people's price range. Way, way overpriced.

So, since that's really the only sports car Toyota is producing today, they really have nothing practical or affordable (like the 370Z or Genesis Coupe). Toyota hasn't made anything fun since the Supra.

Wicked_G · 06-23-2010, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FuszNissan

I still wouldn't drive a Hyundai

& The genesis =

It's too close to the G37. Like the bootleg version.

daisuke149 · 06-23-2010, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI

No matter how you look at it, it's a car produced by a company who specializes in cranking out brand new $9970 pieces of ****. A company who never before this decade produced anything worth mentioning. A company who has no past experience building a true sports car.

Do they make a damn good economy car? You betcha. Would I ever drive a Hyundai over a Nissan? Hell no, mainly for the reasons I stated above.

the funny part is u wont find a hynudai for 9970.. but yo will find a nissan (versa)

and every company had the same start as you are saying about Hyundai, except for Hyundai is making strides faster than the ther ones did back in their day.

to say would i "ever" drive a hyundai is just plain stupid. You dont know what will happen in 10 years and if you do, can i have the lottery numbers please. thanx.

WarmAndSCSI · 06-23-2010, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149

the funny part is u wont find a hynudai for 9970.. but yo will find a nissan (versa)

and every company had the same start as you are saying about Hyundai, except for Hyundai is making strides faster than the ther ones did back in their day.

to say would i "ever" drive a hyundai is just plain stupid. You dont know what will happen in 10 years and if you do, can i have the lottery numbers please. thanx.

English. You don't even make any sense.

Do some research next time you try to prove somebody wrong

Hyundai Accent... $9970 MSRP

Hyundai Accent: Safe, Small Cars - More Interior Than Corolla & Civic | Hyundai

Not to mention it's terrible compared to a base model Versa. That's more my point than that Hyundai cars are cheap in cost.

You completely missed my point, actually. I can't even believe people who bought new Z's would even argue a Hyundai is in the same league. It's just not, end of story. The 370Z is the 6th generation of Z-car sports car for Nissan. The Genesis Coupe is Hyundai's first. I will say again; Hyundai is good at making a budget beater car. They are not yet good at making a sports car. That's at least 5 years off.

CBRich · 06-23-2010, 08:50 PM

Show me why the Genesis is not in the same league as the 370.

FuszNissan · 06-23-2010, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CBRich

Show me why the Genesis is not in the same league as the 370.

Let's take it to a track and you will see why

bigdog1250 · 06-23-2010, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI

No matter how you look at it, it's a car produced by a company who specializes in cranking out brand new $9970 pieces of ****. A company who never before this decade produced anything worth mentioning. A company who has no past experience building a true sports car.

Do they make a damn good economy car? You betcha. Would I ever drive a Hyundai over a Nissan? Hell no, mainly for the reasons I stated above.

That's pretty ignorant of you to say. Everyone starts somewhere. In 1969 would you have called the 240z a piece since Nissan/Datsun had never built a Z car before? Yes I know the Skyline was built prior to that, but hopefully you'll get the point.

I think a monster Hyundai will make the competition a lot more fun. I'm sure its a few years out but still...

WarmAndSCSI · 06-23-2010, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdog1250

That's pretty ignorant of you to say. Everyone starts somewhere. In 1969 would you have called the 240z a piece since Nissan/Datsun had never built a Z car before? Yes I know the Skyline was built prior to that, but hopefully you'll get the point.

I think a monster Hyundai will make the competition a lot more fun. I'm sure its a few years out but still...

It's not ignorant. I wouldn't have bought a 240Z when they first came out either.

Actually I might have cause they are a hell of a lot better looking than the Genesis Coupe (which is downright fugly and disproportionate).

WarmAndSCSI · 06-23-2010, 10:42 PM

Anyway, I'm tired of this dumb argument; I'll end it now. Hyundai is WAY behind the curve of producing a good sports car. 40+ years behind Nissan's curve. I would NEVER consider a Hyundai over a Nissan Z because of that. Nissan will always be ahead; plain and simple. You can't make up for 40 years of research, design, and motorsports experience. I absolutely love Mitsubishi cars, and if they came out with a new 2 door sports coupe I would consider it. Why? Because they would at least know what they're doing when it comes to building a track-ready sports car. They have a long history of doing so, even if it's been a long time since they produced a RWD sports car.

You can argue that I'd also say that a company on Koenigsegg has nothing on, say, Ferrari. But that's not true. Koenigsegg, (the new) Bugatti, Gumpert, Ascari etc. all have something to Ferrari that Hyundai does not have to Nissan. TONS and tons of money and time into R&D, and a true feeling of irrationality and soul about their cars. That's what a sports car is about. The Hyundai Genesis Coupe lacks that extreme level of R&D, and it even lacks the true intent to be tracked. The mere fact that it's marketed as having an extreme value for the money (read: is a cheap POS) shows that it's not a properly R&D'd sports car. It's honestly just been thrown together such that it sells well. We may have issues where Nissan cheaped out on an oil cooler, but the Hyundai Genesis Coupe wasn't even ready for road/track testing when it hit the states; it had severe performance issues until Hyundai sat back down at the drawing board to fix some alignment issues and ECU parameters. Those are two very core items that should have been flogged to death and discovered during internal testing @ Hyundai. That just goes to show how poorly the car was engineered from the start. It was built for nothing more than to look good on a spec sheet.

kenchan · 06-23-2010, 10:48 PM

i just dont like girls that smell garlicy...

Emotiongear · 06-23-2010, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI

Anyway, I'm tired of this dumb argument; I'll end it now. Hyundai is WAY behind the curve of producing a good sports car. 40+ years behind Nissan's curve. I would NEVER consider a Hyundai over a Nissan Z because of that. Nissan will always be ahead; plain and simple. You can't make up for 40 years of research, design, and motorsports experience. I absolutely love Mitsubishi cars, and if they came out with a new 2 door sports coupe I would consider it. Why? Because they would at least know what they're doing when it comes to building a track-ready sports car. They have a long history of doing so, even if it's been a long time since they produced a RWD sports car.

You can argue that I'd also say that a company on Koenigsegg has nothing on, say, Ferrari. But that's not true. Koenigsegg, (the new) Bugatti, Gumpert, Ascari etc. all have something to Ferrari that Hyundai does not have to Nissan. TONS and tons of money and time into R&D, and a true feeling of irrationality and soul about their cars. That's what a sports car is about. The Hyundai Genesis Coupe lacks that extreme level of R&D, and it even lacks the true intent to be tracked. The mere fact that it's marketed as having an extreme value for the money (read: is a cheap POS) shows that it's not a properly R&D'd sports car. It's honestly just been thrown together such that it sells well. We may have issues where Nissan cheaped out on an oil cooler, but the Hyundai Genesis Coupe wasn't even ready for road/track testing when it hit the states; it had severe performance issues until Hyundai sat back down at the drawing board to fix some alignment issues and ECU parameters. Those are two very core items that should have been flogged to death and discovered during internal testing @ Hyundai. That just goes to show how poorly the car was engineered from the start. It was built for nothing more than to look good on a spec sheet.

Have you driven a Genesis?
I own a 2010 Z but the Genesis Coupe has been making more headlines that the Z lately. Something has to be done about this....

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06-23-2010, 07:23 PM	#32 (permalink)
mjd77 Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Port Washington, WI Age: 47 Posts: 183 Drives: 2004 RX-8 Rep Power: 16	Give Hyundai about 5 more years and it wouldn't surprise me if they surpass Honda in sales...that is if Honda keeps going in the wrong direction with their boring designs and lack of any kind of sports coupe or sports car...same goes for Toyota. Honda and Toyota are the poster children for making cars with no soul.

06-23-2010, 08:50 PM	#39 (permalink)
CBRich A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SC Posts: 2,464 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 544	Show me why the Genesis is not in the same league as the 370.

06-23-2010, 10:42 PM	#43 (permalink)
WarmAndSCSI A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 1,671 Drives: '08 Evo X \| '10 370Z Rep Power: 17	Anyway, I'm tired of this dumb argument; I'll end it now. Hyundai is WAY behind the curve of producing a good sports car. 40+ years behind Nissan's curve. I would NEVER consider a Hyundai over a Nissan Z because of that. Nissan will always be ahead; plain and simple. You can't make up for 40 years of research, design, and motorsports experience. I absolutely love Mitsubishi cars, and if they came out with a new 2 door sports coupe I would consider it. Why? Because they would at least know what they're doing when it comes to building a track-ready sports car. They have a long history of doing so, even if it's been a long time since they produced a RWD sports car. You can argue that I'd also say that a company on Koenigsegg has nothing on, say, Ferrari. But that's not true. Koenigsegg, (the new) Bugatti, Gumpert, Ascari etc. all have something to Ferrari that Hyundai does not have to Nissan. TONS and tons of money and time into R&D, and a true feeling of irrationality and soul about their cars. That's what a sports car is about. The Hyundai Genesis Coupe lacks that extreme level of R&D, and it even lacks the true intent to be tracked. The mere fact that it's marketed as having an extreme value for the money (read: is a cheap POS) shows that it's not a properly R&D'd sports car. It's honestly just been thrown together such that it sells well. We may have issues where Nissan cheaped out on an oil cooler, but the Hyundai Genesis Coupe wasn't even ready for road/track testing when it hit the states; it had severe performance issues until Hyundai sat back down at the drawing board to fix some alignment issues and ECU parameters. Those are two very core items that should have been flogged to death and discovered during internal testing @ Hyundai. That just goes to show how poorly the car was engineered from the start. It was built for nothing more than to look good on a spec sheet.

06-23-2010, 10:48 PM	#44 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141520	i just dont like girls that smell garlicy...