Hope Nissan is watching this...

shoopajae10 · 06-23-2010, 04:46 PM

even koreans dont buy hyundais.

but really... they have been steppin it up tho.

give them another decade or so.. itll be interesting to see.

jrp · 06-29-2010, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoopajae10

even koreans dont buy hyundais.

In 2007 the Hyundai Sonata was the best selling car in Korea.

wishihadnav · 06-23-2010, 05:15 PM

im not convinced until Hyundai brings back the Excel with AWD and their 2.0 turbo..should be fun against the FT-86..hahah

<---Post #777..maybe i should go to Vegas!!

Jordo! · 06-23-2010, 05:29 PM

Hmm... And mated to an 8AT no less...

When will the 450Z be available?

Quote:

Originally Posted by wishihadnav

im not convinced until Hyundai brings back the Excel with AWD and their 2.0 turbo..should be fun against the FT-86..hahah

<---Post #777..maybe i should go to Vegas!!

Toyota better package thi with a Turbo... I love my car A LOT, but I trust TMC over Nissan any day for reliability and build quality...

wishihadnav · 06-23-2010, 05:59 PM

Hyundai has plenty of racing heritage..just not on the tracks..all i use to see on the news back in the 80's was some dude in an Excel racing down Slauson or Crenshaw trying to ditch the cops..haha..

CBRich · 06-23-2010, 06:09 PM

Datsun was already mentioned but what about Nissan and Toyota? They were considered Jap Crap. You sound like my grandfather talking about a Toyota.

kenchan · 06-23-2010, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBRich

Datsun was already mentioned but what about Nissan and Toyota? They were considered Jap Crap. You sound like my grandfather talking about a Toyota.

in case of toyota, your grandpa got it right, even today.

370Zsteve · 06-23-2010, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

in case of toyota, your grandpa got it right, even today.

"Toyota has a long history in motorsports and has been active in North American racing circuits since the 1970s. Fans have witnessed Toyota victories in races including the Indianapolis 500, the Daytona 24 Hours, the 12 Hours of Sebring, the Baja 1000, the Grand Am Road Racing Series, National Hot Rod Association races, the Championship Auto Racing Team (CART) series and the Pikes Peak Hill Climb where the Toyota Celica still holds the world record. In 2004, Toyota entered the NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series, becoming the first manufacturer to be invited into the NASCAR professional racing ranks outside of the original domestic U.S.-based manufacturers. During this inaugural season in the series, Toyota Tundras visited victory lane four times and recorded five pole positions as well as 25 top-five finishes."

WarmAndSCSI · 06-23-2010, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

"Toyota has a long history in motorsports and has been active in North American racing circuits since the 1970s. Fans have witnessed Toyota victories in races including the Indianapolis 500, the Daytona 24 Hours, the 12 Hours of Sebring, the Baja 1000, the Grand Am Road Racing Series, National Hot Rod Association races, the Championship Auto Racing Team (CART) series and the Pikes Peak Hill Climb where the Toyota Celica still holds the world record. In 2004, Toyota entered the NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series, becoming the first manufacturer to be invited into the NASCAR professional racing ranks outside of the original domestic U.S.-based manufacturers. During this inaugural season in the series, Toyota Tundras visited victory lane four times and recorded five pole positions as well as 25 top-five finishes."

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The LF-A is way out of 99.9% of people's price range. Way, way overpriced.

So, since that's really the only sports car Toyota is producing today, they really have nothing practical or affordable (like the 370Z or Genesis Coupe). Toyota hasn't made anything fun since the Supra.

mjd77 · 06-23-2010, 07:23 PM

Give Hyundai about 5 more years and it wouldn't surprise me if they surpass Honda in sales...that is if Honda keeps going in the wrong direction with their boring designs and lack of any kind of sports coupe or sports car...same goes for Toyota. Honda and Toyota are the poster children for making cars with no soul.

CBRich · 06-23-2010, 08:50 PM

Show me why the Genesis is not in the same league as the 370.

FuszNissan · 06-23-2010, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBRich

Show me why the Genesis is not in the same league as the 370.

Let's take it to a track and you will see why

RCZ · 06-24-2010, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBRich

Show me why the Genesis is not in the same league as the 370.

They are a lot slower, engines pop at 350whp under FI, 3600lbs heavy , low qual interior, bad gearbox... I don't tend to be biased in car brands as long as the car itself is good, but the Genesis is just not a good sports car yet. Like someone said, give hyundai another 5-10 years and then maybe.

CBRich · 06-24-2010, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCZ

They are a lot slower, engines pop at 350whp under FI, 3600lbs heavy , low qual interior, bad gearbox... I don't tend to be biased in car brands as long as the car itself is good, but the Genesis is just not a good sports car yet. Like someone said, give hyundai another 5-10 years and then maybe.

Our definitions of "same league" must be different. I did not say it was superior. It has a power number which is close, a six speed manual, rear wheel drive, and a bit more heft. It's in the same arena as the 370Z but loses to it, it's that simple.

WarmAndSCSI · 06-23-2010, 10:42 PM

Anyway, I'm tired of this dumb argument; I'll end it now. Hyundai is WAY behind the curve of producing a good sports car. 40+ years behind Nissan's curve. I would NEVER consider a Hyundai over a Nissan Z because of that. Nissan will always be ahead; plain and simple. You can't make up for 40 years of research, design, and motorsports experience. I absolutely love Mitsubishi cars, and if they came out with a new 2 door sports coupe I would consider it. Why? Because they would at least know what they're doing when it comes to building a track-ready sports car. They have a long history of doing so, even if it's been a long time since they produced a RWD sports car.

You can argue that I'd also say that a company on Koenigsegg has nothing on, say, Ferrari. But that's not true. Koenigsegg, (the new) Bugatti, Gumpert, Ascari etc. all have something to Ferrari that Hyundai does not have to Nissan. TONS and tons of money and time into R&D, and a true feeling of irrationality and soul about their cars. That's what a sports car is about. The Hyundai Genesis Coupe lacks that extreme level of R&D, and it even lacks the true intent to be tracked. The mere fact that it's marketed as having an extreme value for the money (read: is a cheap POS) shows that it's not a properly R&D'd sports car. It's honestly just been thrown together such that it sells well. We may have issues where Nissan cheaped out on an oil cooler, but the Hyundai Genesis Coupe wasn't even ready for road/track testing when it hit the states; it had severe performance issues until Hyundai sat back down at the drawing board to fix some alignment issues and ECU parameters. Those are two very core items that should have been flogged to death and discovered during internal testing @ Hyundai. That just goes to show how poorly the car was engineered from the start. It was built for nothing more than to look good on a spec sheet.

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CBRich A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SC Posts: 2,464 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 545	Datsun was already mentioned but what about Nissan and Toyota? They were considered Jap Crap. You sound like my grandfather talking about a Toyota.

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WarmAndSCSI A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 1,671 Drives: '08 Evo X \| '10 370Z Rep Power: 19	Anyway, I'm tired of this dumb argument; I'll end it now. Hyundai is WAY behind the curve of producing a good sports car. 40+ years behind Nissan's curve. I would NEVER consider a Hyundai over a Nissan Z because of that. Nissan will always be ahead; plain and simple. You can't make up for 40 years of research, design, and motorsports experience. I absolutely love Mitsubishi cars, and if they came out with a new 2 door sports coupe I would consider it. Why? Because they would at least know what they're doing when it comes to building a track-ready sports car. They have a long history of doing so, even if it's been a long time since they produced a RWD sports car. You can argue that I'd also say that a company on Koenigsegg has nothing on, say, Ferrari. But that's not true. Koenigsegg, (the new) Bugatti, Gumpert, Ascari etc. all have something to Ferrari that Hyundai does not have to Nissan. TONS and tons of money and time into R&D, and a true feeling of irrationality and soul about their cars. That's what a sports car is about. The Hyundai Genesis Coupe lacks that extreme level of R&D, and it even lacks the true intent to be tracked. The mere fact that it's marketed as having an extreme value for the money (read: is a cheap POS) shows that it's not a properly R&D'd sports car. It's honestly just been thrown together such that it sells well. We may have issues where Nissan cheaped out on an oil cooler, but the Hyundai Genesis Coupe wasn't even ready for road/track testing when it hit the states; it had severe performance issues until Hyundai sat back down at the drawing board to fix some alignment issues and ECU parameters. Those are two very core items that should have been flogged to death and discovered during internal testing @ Hyundai. That just goes to show how poorly the car was engineered from the start. It was built for nothing more than to look good on a spec sheet.