SRM: Nissan's View, Failure to Change the Industry

Jordo! · 12-01-2013, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

For high end cars, sure. There will be demand for manual transmissions in cars like the BRZ/370z/Mustang etc for many years to come.

Electric motors are a long way from displacing gasoline engines.

10 years could be construed as "many"

True on the electric -- I predict, about 25 years or so.

Red__Zed · 12-01-2013, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

10 years could be construed as "many"

True on the electric -- I predict, about 25 years or so.

My point was that SRM isn't on manuals because there is little demand for SRM, not because the manual is "dead." If it had 10 years left (I'd guess it keeps going beyond that) it would still be well worth implementing a shift-matching technology...provided there was demand for something like that.

StangerGT · 12-01-2013, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Everything follows F1 technology and, accordingly, the tech available on the very high end exotics -- standard manuals are on their way out, period.

It's final days will be spent as an economy car (or, "price saving") feature, and not a sports car feature.

Moreover, as electric motors become more common, that will kill it for good.

Fewer and fewer higher end cars even have clutch pedals as an option anymore... I give it 10 more years before it's an eco feature only.

Finally, lets not confuse control over what gear you are in vs. the way in which gear changes are actuated...

There will always be a demand for manuals in communities like Jeeps/Mustangs/etc. People enjoy them because they are fun, not because they are sourced from some F1 team.

Electric motors may kill the transmission as a whole, but i doubt for some time. If anything it will be slow coming as they will probably adopt a merged platform like the P1 or 918, where electric motors provide AWD solution, increase mpg, and augments a motor.

Until they resolve charging times and capacity issues the gas motor wont go away due to range anxiety.

The BlueMax · 12-01-2013, 07:27 PM

I think Nissan should of out-sourced their manual trans. from Honda, you never hear about in quality problems with their manual trans. & everybody talks about how smooth they shift. My 97 T-56 6speed in my WS6 T/A shifts a whole lot better " no issues" & that was one of the borg & warner designs from the early 90s. The 370Z trans. design is 12 years newer but less effective.

Chuck33079 · 12-01-2013, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The BlueMax

I think Nissan should of out-sourced their manual trans. from Honda, you never hear about in quality problems with their manual trans. & everybody talks about how smooth they shift. My 97 T-56 6speed in my WS6 T/A shifts a whole lot better " no issues" & that was one of the borg & warner designs from the early 90s. The 370Z trans. design is 12 years newer but less effective.

How is it less effective? It holds power just fine. Every really strong transmission I've ever driven has been clunky. Plus, your Honda transmissions are cable shifters. The Z is directly mounted.

Red__Zed · 12-01-2013, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

How is it less effective? It holds power just fine. Every really strong transmission I've ever driven has been clunky. Plus, your Honda transmissions are cable shifters. The Z is directly mounted.

CrownR426 · 12-01-2013, 08:32 PM

Copy Rights must be hella expensive!

I love the Manual Transmission, guess ya'll need more practicing to do!

Synchro-Rev Match Mode is genius!
Yes, most argue that it's cheating and that you must heel-toe BUT
As technology advances things outdated.
Manual will soon be extinct.

Don't hate, appreciate!

/Angelo350Z/ · 12-02-2013, 01:04 AM

I love the SRM, but I really don't use it enough to appreciate it. It's usually off, and the only reason I turn it on is to hear my FI exhaust when down shifting in public traffic. Sure, I could just stab the gas pedal when slowing down and shifting, but somehow I feel less of a ricer when the car does it for me.

Haboob · 12-02-2013, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

so many sucky MT drivers can drive like the rest of us!

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

You know why it's not catching on, because manual is a dying breed

Unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by StangerGT

Part of driving manual... is that its manual. Automatic rev matching is just another electro-gizmo that takes away from doing it yourself.

efficiency doesn't always equal fun

Unfortunately my leg doesn't allow me to turn my foot far enough to properly heel-toe, so the SRM is a great feature for me in my MT Z.

kenchan · 12-02-2013, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Haboob

Unfortunately my leg doesn't allow me to turn my foot far enough to properly heel-toe, so the SRM is a great feature for my in my MT Z.

you're doing it wrong, haboob. i dont turn/twist my leg for street heel and toe. just use the side of your foot to blip while braking. only when i need full braking power do i twist my leg and swing my heel around to blip.

it feels awkward at first, but once you get use to it, you'll end up doing that even while driving AT cars that dont rev match on down shifts.

Elan · 12-02-2013, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

you're doing it wrong, haboob. i dont turn/twist my leg for street heel and toe. just use the side of your foot to blip while braking. only when i need full braking power do i twist my leg and swing my heel around to blip.

it feels awkward at first, but once you get use to it, you'll end up doing that even while driving AT cars that dont rev match on down shifts.

Yes! I started doing this when kenchan first mentioned it! So much easier!

Haboob · 12-02-2013, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

you're doing it wrong, haboob. i dont turn/twist my leg for street heel and toe. just use the side of your foot to blip while braking. only when i need full braking power do i twist my leg and swing my heel around to blip.

it feels awkward at first, but once you get use to it, you'll end up doing that even while driving AT cars that dont rev match on down shifts.

Oh, I thought you had to kind of twist your foot inward a bit.

I wonder if my foot is even wide enough to touch both at the same time.

That and the brake pedal seems much higher than the gas? I dunno, I'll have to give it a shot in an empty parking lot one of these days.

Justice97 · 12-03-2013, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by CrownR426

Copy Rights must be hella expensive!

I love the Manual Transmission, guess ya'll need more practicing to do!

Synchro-Rev Match Mode is genius!
Yes, most argue that it's cheating and that you must heel-toe BUT
As technology advances things outdated.
Manual will soon be extinct.

Don't hate, appreciate!

I still wish they had timing adjustment on the column, just like the old model T's.
You kids don't know how to drive anymore. Technology pffft. In my days we had to use a whip to change gears.

Seriously though I agree with CrownR426.

I have been driving stick since I was a freshman in high school, so I know how to drive them. I used to keep it off because of my driving style and Pfft I don't need this confounded SRM. Well lately I have become accustomed to it and I rather like it. I turn it off from time to time just to feel the difference and there is a slight difference.
I do appreciate.

MacLean · 12-02-2013, 09:00 PM

I believe Porsche offers something very smiler as the SRM on some of their models. The new Corvette is the first 7MT & you see some cars with an 8AT. This is just something to think about.

theDreamer · 12-04-2013, 07:41 AM

This one seems pretty awesome.

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12-01-2013, 07:27 PM	#4 (permalink)
The BlueMax Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Louisville Posts: 337 Drives: 09 370/97 T/A 01 ZRX Rep Power: 26	Manual Trans Quality I think Nissan should of out-sourced their manual trans. from Honda, you never hear about in quality problems with their manual trans. & everybody talks about how smooth they shift. My 97 T-56 6speed in my WS6 T/A shifts a whole lot better " no issues" & that was one of the borg & warner designs from the early 90s. The 370Z trans. design is 12 years newer but less effective. __________________ The Blue Max

12-01-2013, 08:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
CrownR426 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: South Korea Posts: 4,676 Drives: Manual Rep Power: 848	Copy Rights must be hella expensive! I love the Manual Transmission, guess ya'll need more practicing to do! Synchro-Rev Match Mode is genius! Yes, most argue that it's cheating and that you must heel-toe BUT As technology advances things outdated. Manual will soon be extinct. Don't hate, appreciate! __________________ Love + Hardwork + Passion RIP SVTRacer

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/Angelo350Z/ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Germany Posts: 2,230 Drives: Z34 \| MK7 \| F82 Rep Power: 3661	I love the SRM, but I really don't use it enough to appreciate it. It's usually off, and the only reason I turn it on is to hear my FI exhaust when down shifting in public traffic. Sure, I could just stab the gas pedal when slowing down and shifting, but somehow I feel less of a ricer when the car does it for me. TheGreatOne likes this. __________________ 2013 MB NISSAN 370Z SPORT Last edited by /Angelo350Z/; 12-02-2013 at 04:40 PM.

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MacLean A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Houston Posts: 1,589 Drives: '12 GM Nismo # 0445 Rep Power: 17	I believe Porsche offers something very smiler as the SRM on some of their models. The new Corvette is the first 7MT & you see some cars with an 8AT. This is just something to think about. __________________ l Meisterschaft Full Cat-Back Exhaust l F. I. Resonated High Flow Cats l Stillen Gen 3 l M370 Intake Manifold l UpRev l JWT Clutch & Flywheel l ZSpeed HD CSC l Stillen 19 Row Oil Cooler l ZSpeed Powercoated Under Tray l GTSpec: 6, 4, 2 Point Brace l

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