Totalled my Z yesterday...what should I consider next?

BlueDog007 · 01-24-2019, 12:17 PM

I have a hard time spring for a $50-55k Supra that has less power than a Z. Even though I feel certain the Supra (Toyota/BMW) will be superior quality than a Nissan. Spending more for less power just doesn't make sense to me unless I'm missing something. And when are the Supra's even available? For $50-55k, I can buy a used Corvette Z06 which will smoke them all!

I have found a 2017 Nismo with 5k miles on it for $31k. Besides the body features, what are the biggest differences between a Nismo and a Sport package? My 2010 Z had the Fast Intentions exhaust, Stillen CAI, and a tune. Would I need those items on a Nismo or do they come standard? Also, the stereo system in my Z was AWFUL...is the Nismo system far superior? What other items are superior? The same dealer has a 2018 Sport Package with 7k miles for $24k.

God-Speed · 01-24-2019, 12:23 PM

Glad to hear and see that you are Ok. As far as looking for a new car, Let the dust settle first. Take your time in finding a replacement for the Z. There is a lot of cars out there. Just take your time.

goeagles11 · 01-24-2019, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueDog007

I have a hard time spring for a $50-55k Supra that has less power than a Z. Even though I feel certain the Supra (Toyota/BMW) will be superior quality than a Nissan. Spending more for less power just doesn't make sense to me unless I'm missing something. And when are the Supra's even available? For $50-55k, I can buy a used Corvette Z06 which will smoke them all!

I have found a 2017 Nismo with 5k miles on it for $31k. Besides the body features, what are the biggest differences between a Nismo and a Sport package? My 2010 Z had the Fast Intentions exhaust, Stillen CAI, and a tune. Would I need those items on a Nismo or do they come standard? Also, the stereo system in my Z was AWFUL...is the Nismo system far superior? What other items are superior? The same dealer has a 2018 Sport Package with 7k miles for $24k.

Eh - I mean the 370z has 270 lb-ft of torque and the new Supra is rated at 365 lb-ft. That's a major difference and the Supras 0-60 time is about a full second faster than the Z's.

It'll also be a lot easier and cheaper to get gobs of power out of the B58 and of course the feel of a turbo charged car vs an N/A car is very different.

I'd get a Civic Type R if you can stand the looks.

Stvee · 01-24-2019, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by goeagles11

Eh - I mean the 370z has 270 lb-ft of torque and the new Supra is rated at 365 lb-ft. That's a major difference and the Supras 0-60 time is about a full second faster than the Z's.

It'll also be a lot easier and cheaper to get gobs of power out of the B58 and of course the feel of a turbo charged car vs an N/A car is very different.

I'd get a Civic Type R if you can stand the looks.

The B58 in the 340i makes 380whp with just a tune. It's definitely a solid motor.

The only problems with the new supra are it's ugly as hell and there's no manual (yet).

Whjaxn17 · 01-30-2019, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueDog007

I have a hard time spring for a $50-55k Supra that has less power than a Z. Even though I feel certain the Supra (Toyota/BMW) will be superior quality than a Nissan. Spending more for less power just doesn't make sense to me unless I'm missing something. And when are the Supra's even available? For $50-55k, I can buy a used Corvette Z06 which will smoke them all!

I have found a 2017 Nismo with 5k miles on it for $31k. Besides the body features, what are the biggest differences between a Nismo and a Sport package? My 2010 Z had the Fast Intentions exhaust, Stillen CAI, and a tune. Would I need those items on a Nismo or do they come standard? Also, the stereo system in my Z was AWFUL...is the Nismo system far superior? What other items are superior? The same dealer has a 2018 Sport Package with 7k miles for $24k.

I'm glad you're ok. I'll also echo the suggestion of going to get checked out just to be sure.

That said, I keep seeing this about the same or less power, but it's not entirely the case. The new Supras likely put more torque to the wheels than the Z even makes. They make 95 more at the crank. And the Supra weighs the same, probably less than the Nismo by a 100-150lbs.

Stvee · 01-30-2019, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Whjaxn17

I'm glad you're ok. I'll also echo the suggestion of going to get checked out just to be sure.

That said, I keep seeing this about the same or less power, but it's not entirely the case. The new Supras likely put more torque to the wheels than the Z even makes. They make 95 more at the crank. And the Supra weighs the same, probably less than the Nismo by a 100-150lbs.

And assuming it's the same B58 that's used in BMW's, you'll be able to bump it up to ~380whp with just a tune. Plus the B58 is closed deck and has forged pistons/rods/crank so it has a ton of potential for big power.

Whjaxn17 · 01-30-2019, 10:45 AM

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And assuming it's the same B58 that's used in BMW's, you'll be able to bump it up to ~380whp with just a tune. Plus the B58 is closed deck and has forged pistons/rods/crank so it has a ton of potential for big power.

Also read they tend to be underrated and come making the advertised crank numbers to the wheels.

For the $40-50k range, I'd also be looking at Q60. That VR30 is an animal and has been proven to be underrated. Z1 baselined a bone stock 1 and it put 304whp/311wtq down, even though they're only supposed to make 300/300 crank, and with nothing more than a tune, it made 411/453. It's a nice car and for $600 in "mods" you can add 100/150. That's a helluva hp/$ gain.

DreamyRelief · 01-30-2019, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Whjaxn17

Also read they tend to be underrated and come making the advertised crank numbers to the wheels.

For the $40-50k range, I'd also be looking at Q60. That VR30 is an animal and has been proven to be underrated. Z1 baselined a bone stock 1 and it put 304whp/311wtq down, even though they're only supposed to make 300/300 crank, and with nothing more than a tune, it made 411/453. It's a nice car and for $600 in "mods" you can add 100/150. That's a helluva hp/$ gain.

Fully agree. On top of that you can get them lightly used for 30-35k so it's pretty much a steal.

01-24-2019, 12:17 PM	#1 (permalink)
BlueDog007 Base Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 35 Drives: Not yet Rep Power: 15	I have a hard time spring for a $50-55k Supra that has less power than a Z. Even though I feel certain the Supra (Toyota/BMW) will be superior quality than a Nissan. Spending more for less power just doesn't make sense to me unless I'm missing something. And when are the Supra's even available? For $50-55k, I can buy a used Corvette Z06 which will smoke them all! I have found a 2017 Nismo with 5k miles on it for $31k. Besides the body features, what are the biggest differences between a Nismo and a Sport package? My 2010 Z had the Fast Intentions exhaust, Stillen CAI, and a tune. Would I need those items on a Nismo or do they come standard? Also, the stereo system in my Z was AWFUL...is the Nismo system far superior? What other items are superior? The same dealer has a 2018 Sport Package with 7k miles for $24k. StormWhite likes this.

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God-Speed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Austin, Tx. Posts: 4,367 Drives: Prototype Rep Power: 2684378	Glad to hear and see that you are Ok. As far as looking for a new car, Let the dust settle first. Take your time in finding a replacement for the Z. There is a lot of cars out there. Just take your time.