GT500 vs 370Z

KillerBee370 · 01-04-2010, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

Here is my take on this subject: The current GTs do 0 60 in about 5.2 and the Z in about 4.7. Now both of those times needs a very good driver, good tires and a well preped road to get those times. Most of us are doing around 5 secs so I would think the GT is doing around 5.5 on the average. With the GT being able do do that respectable time the V8 GT was not meant to be a MPG car, its just getting past its prime as our car will be in a year or two when the other guys start making theirs faster, like the 2011 GT. So we will probably see something that improves the Z in a couple of years. I kill GTs around here with the little zoom zoom we do. The GT500 IMO is not in our catagory, its a little above it right now. I was killing GTs in my chipped 2.0T 4 cyl. I will never own a mustang as they are too common, well maybe a Saleen.

Saleen! Oh gag me. Saleens are for greasy Persians or trailer bro's with 3 cell phones, gold chains and that eternal dumbsh*t look on their face. If you're going to own any sh!tstang, at least make it a Roush. You're right about one thing, Mustangs are way too common.

m4a1mustang · 01-04-2010, 10:05 PM

The problem with the gts is they come with a very tall gear. A common mod is to swap the 3.31s for 4.10s. Instant 12 second passes with that mod. The 4.6 craves as much gear as you can throw at it.

And for what its worth, the "track pack" (i.e. sport package) gts with the 3.55 gear have been tested to run 4.9 0-60 with a low 13 quarter, essentially even with a 370.

Mod for mod the gt will beat the 370 in a straight line as well. Its just more suited for drag racing so it has an advantage there. The Z is definitely still a contender, though. I think our straight line performance really surprises a lot of people. The same can be said of the mustang on a road course. I don't care how much you hate live axles, a well driven Mustang is likely to surprise the hell out of you. I'm sure a lot of people here wouldn't be able to shake a track pack gt at VIR, just like a lot of Mustang guys wouldn't be able to pull a Z in the quarter if its driven by one of our finest.

Bottom line is they are both good cars whether anyone wants to admit it or not. As someone who has owned both, the Z is very comparable to a Mustang. In fact, my Z feels very much like my old Mustang... the engines drive EXACTLY the same... they feel so similar its scary. They even sound alike!

The real funny thing to is that the rear end of the Z with its irs feels very similar to themustang over rough surfaces...

m4a1mustang · 01-04-2010, 10:05 PM

The problem with the gts is they come with a very tall gear. A common mod is to swap the 3.31s for 4.10s. Instant 12 second passes with that mod. The 4.6 craves as much gear as you can throw at it.

And for what its worth, the "track pack" (i.e. sport package) gts with the 3.55 gear have been tested to run 4.9 0-60 with a low 13 quarter, essentially even with a 370.

Mod for mod the gt will beat the 370 in a straight line as well. Its just more suited for drag racing so it has an advantage there. The Z is definitely still a contender, though. I think our straight line performance really surprises a lot of people. The same can be said of the mustang on a road course. I don't care how much you hate live axles, a well driven Mustang is likely to surprise the hell out of you. I'm sure a lot of people here wouldn't be able to shake a track pack gt at VIR, just like a lot of Mustang guys wouldn't be able to pull a Z in the quarter if its driven by one of our finest.

Bottom line is they are both good cars whether anyone wants to admit it or not. As someone who has owned both, the Z is very comparable to a Mustang. In fact, my Z feels very much like my old Mustang... the engines drive EXACTLY the same... they feel so similar its scary. They even sound alike!

The real funny thing to is that the rear end of the Z with its irs feels very similar to themustang over rough surfaces...

m4a1mustang · 01-04-2010, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerBee370

Saleen! Oh gag me. Saleens are for greasy Persians or trailer bro's with 3 cell phones, gold chains and that eternal dumbsh*t look on their face. If you're going to own any sh!tstang, at least make it a Roush. You're right about one thing, Mustangs are way too common.

Wow.

KillerBee370 · 01-04-2010, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Wow.

Haha..

It's a strong possibility that he drives an M3 also.

m4a1mustang · 01-04-2010, 10:22 PM

Lmfao. Saleens are sort of a joke in the mustang world.... the attention seeking dbags either bought a saleen or bought the kit and graphics. Roush and Steeda are where its at.

Lug · 01-04-2010, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

Here is my take on this subject: The current GTs do 0 60 in about 5.2 and the Z in about 4.7. Now both of those times needs a very good driver, good tires and a well preped road to get those times. Most of us are doing around 5 secs so I would think the GT is doing around 5.5 on the average. With the GT being able do do that respectable time the V8 GT was not meant to be a MPG car, its just getting past its prime as our car will be in a year or two when the other guys start making theirs faster, like the 2011 GT. So we will probably see something that improves the Z in a couple of years. I kill GTs around here with the little zoom zoom we do. The GT500 IMO is not in our catagory, its a little above it right now. I was killing GTs in my chipped 2.0T 4 cyl. I will never own a mustang as they are too common, well maybe a Saleen.

When compared head to head on the same track the current Mustang and 370Z run within .1 of each other in both 0-60 and Quarter mile. The delivery and feel are totally different, but the times are what they are. Next year's Mustang is gonna add about 100 ponies to the mix, Z won't be anywhere near it at the track unless Ford screws the pooch and adds a megashiteton of weight like The Camaro and Challenger have. Z will be better at short track stuff like autocross but the track is out againt a 2011 Mustang without FI. I'll still take a 370Z over the new mustang any day of the week, but lets not kid ourselves about what each is good at.

snotrocket · 01-04-2010, 11:49 PM

drove my friends 08 gt500 a couple of months ago. very solid car but very hard to drive. i never felt like i had full control of the car and i'm a decent driver. i was impressed with the overall quality in and out. i personally wouldn't own one but i can see how it appeals to others.

ZYUL8R · 01-05-2010, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by killerbee370

haha..

it's a strong possibility that he drives an m3 also.

rofl!!

Slynky · 01-05-2010, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Lmfao. Saleens are sort of a joke in the mustang world.... the attention seeking dbags either bought a saleen or bought the kit and graphics. Roush and Steeda are where its at.

Well !!! I'm finally glad SOMEONE mentioned Roush. Was beginning to wonder if Shelby was the only aftermarket build that was going to be mentioned here. And, as a follower of 'Stangs for some time, I thought the Roush chassis was almost always considered better in handling than Shelby.

Outdated a little bit but...and since a Lotus was mentioned... (LOL)...

Zsteve · 01-05-2010, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Lug

When compared head to head on the same track the current Mustang and 370Z run within .1 of each other in both 0-60 and Quarter mile. The delivery and feel are totally different, but the times are what they are. Next year's Mustang is gonna add about 100 ponies to the mix, Z won't be anywhere near it at the track unless Ford screws the pooch and adds a megashiteton of weight like The Camaro and Challenger have. Z will be better at short track stuff like autocross but the track is out againt a 2011 Mustang without FI. I'll still take a 370Z over the new mustang any day of the week, but lets not kid ourselves about what each is good at.

Is that what you saw or are reading. The 09 GT should only run around 5.1 to 60 from what I can find, now I havent been to a track to see just research. All the car companies are gonna up thier power every few yrs to keep up with the Jones, so dont be surprised to see the Z (and other cars) up HP in a couple of yrs too, its a cycle. A neighbor a fews houses down has a Saleen and it looks pretty cool and they are not Persians or Bling Bling guys, just mustang nuts. Most regular GTs here are driven by females so the guys have to get the GT500s or Saleens, etc to not be driving a girls car now.

Slynky · 01-05-2010, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

Is that what you saw or are reading. The 09 GT should only run around 5.1 to 60 from what I can find, now I havent been to a track to see just research. All the car companies are gonna up thier power every few yrs to keep up with the Jones, so dont be surprised to see the Z (and other cars) up HP in a couple of yrs too, its a cycle. A neighbor a fews houses down has a Saleen and it looks pretty cool and they are not Persians or Bling Bling guys, just mustang nuts. Most regular GTs here are driven by females so the guys have to get the GT500s or Saleens, etc to not be driving a girls car now.

Well, the homophobic pussys !!! LOL

Lug · 01-05-2010, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

Is that what you saw or are reading. The 09 GT should only run around 5.1 to 60 from what I can find, now I havent been to a track to see just research. All the car companies are gonna up thier power every few yrs to keep up with the Jones, so dont be surprised to see the Z (and other cars) up HP in a couple of yrs too, its a cycle. A neighbor a fews houses down has a Saleen and it looks pretty cool and they are not Persians or Bling Bling guys, just mustang nuts. Most regular GTs here are driven by females so the guys have to get the GT500s or Saleens, etc to not be driving a girls car now.

Edmunds (I know, not the best butat least it was head to head) did a recent test where they were identical plus if you do a dragtimes compare between stock 2010 Mustangs and 370Z they are a mixed bag except for one really quick 370Z. Most fall in the 13.3 to 13.7 range. It makes since because the 370Z has a few more ponies and a little less weight but the 'stang has gobs more torque. I'd expect the 370Z to pull away on the top end a bit. Next year the 'stang is a total game changer on any straight line stuff if the weight stays in control. Camaros and Challengers are gonna get their asses handed to them. I know what you mean by upping HP through the cycle, but we're talking 100 HP in one fell swoop. That kinda bump isn't what you normally see in the same model.

EDIT: I just realized you're talking about a 2009 Mustang. I was talking about the current one which is a noticeable improvement over the older model.

Zsteve · 01-05-2010, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lug

Edmunds (I know, not the best butat least it was head to head) did a recent test where they were identical plus if you do a dragtimes compare between stock 2010 Mustangs and 370Z they are a mixed bag except for one really quick 370Z. Most fall in the 13.3 to 13.7 range. It makes since because the 370Z has a few more ponies and a little less weight but the 'stang has gobs more torque. I'd expect the 370Z to pull away on the top end a bit. Next year the 'stang is a total game changer on any straight line stuff if the weight stays in control. Camaros and Challengers are gonna get their asses handed to them. I know what you mean by upping HP through the cycle, but we're talking 100 HP in one fell swoop. That kinda bump isn't what you normally see in the same model.

EDIT: I just realized you're talking about a 2009 Mustang. I was talking about the current one which is a noticeable improvement over the older model.

I think Im a little confused, the GT is getting a 100 HP increase? I thought it was only going from 300 to 315 which would put it in the 370 Z range then. Or is the GT500 getting the 100 HP?

theDreamer · 01-05-2010, 01:27 PM

The new 5.0L is going to be 412HP at the crank (per Ford), but not sure on the torque yet.
It will be putting down big numbers but again, power to weight is a huge factor. It should be able to take on the Camaro SS in the straight fine, but it will be close and depend on all those little factors.

01-04-2010, 10:05 PM	#62 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	The problem with the gts is they come with a very tall gear. A common mod is to swap the 3.31s for 4.10s. Instant 12 second passes with that mod. The 4.6 craves as much gear as you can throw at it. And for what its worth, the "track pack" (i.e. sport package) gts with the 3.55 gear have been tested to run 4.9 0-60 with a low 13 quarter, essentially even with a 370. Mod for mod the gt will beat the 370 in a straight line as well. Its just more suited for drag racing so it has an advantage there. The Z is definitely still a contender, though. I think our straight line performance really surprises a lot of people. The same can be said of the mustang on a road course. I don't care how much you hate live axles, a well driven Mustang is likely to surprise the hell out of you. I'm sure a lot of people here wouldn't be able to shake a track pack gt at VIR, just like a lot of Mustang guys wouldn't be able to pull a Z in the quarter if its driven by one of our finest. Bottom line is they are both good cars whether anyone wants to admit it or not. As someone who has owned both, the Z is very comparable to a Mustang. In fact, my Z feels very much like my old Mustang... the engines drive EXACTLY the same... they feel so similar its scary. They even sound alike! The real funny thing to is that the rear end of the Z with its irs feels very similar to themustang over rough surfaces... __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

01-04-2010, 10:05 PM	#63 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	The problem with the gts is they come with a very tall gear. A common mod is to swap the 3.31s for 4.10s. Instant 12 second passes with that mod. The 4.6 craves as much gear as you can throw at it. And for what its worth, the "track pack" (i.e. sport package) gts with the 3.55 gear have been tested to run 4.9 0-60 with a low 13 quarter, essentially even with a 370. Mod for mod the gt will beat the 370 in a straight line as well. Its just more suited for drag racing so it has an advantage there. The Z is definitely still a contender, though. I think our straight line performance really surprises a lot of people. The same can be said of the mustang on a road course. I don't care how much you hate live axles, a well driven Mustang is likely to surprise the hell out of you. I'm sure a lot of people here wouldn't be able to shake a track pack gt at VIR, just like a lot of Mustang guys wouldn't be able to pull a Z in the quarter if its driven by one of our finest. Bottom line is they are both good cars whether anyone wants to admit it or not. As someone who has owned both, the Z is very comparable to a Mustang. In fact, my Z feels very much like my old Mustang... the engines drive EXACTLY the same... they feel so similar its scary. They even sound alike! The real funny thing to is that the rear end of the Z with its irs feels very similar to themustang over rough surfaces... __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

01-04-2010, 10:22 PM	#66 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Lmfao. Saleens are sort of a joke in the mustang world.... the attention seeking dbags either bought a saleen or bought the kit and graphics. Roush and Steeda are where its at. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

01-05-2010, 01:27 PM	#75 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4210	The new 5.0L is going to be 412HP at the crank (per Ford), but not sure on the torque yet. It will be putting down big numbers but again, power to weight is a huge factor. It should be able to take on the Camaro SS in the straight fine, but it will be close and depend on all those little factors. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

01-04-2010, 11:49 PM	#68 (permalink)
snotrocket Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: louisiana Posts: 99 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 16	drove my friends 08 gt500 a couple of months ago. very solid car but very hard to drive. i never felt like i had full control of the car and i'm a decent driver. i was impressed with the overall quality in and out. i personally wouldn't own one but i can see how it appeals to others.