Hard Decision

cv129 · 06-16-2016, 03:15 PM

^ except Jay Leno

mishuko · 06-16-2016, 03:45 PM

I never got passed at the tail of the dragon... lol

Seriously as fun as the 6 second wot thrill may be it's more enjoyable doing spirited corners. None of the cars mentioned like to follow my spirited corners

Larso1 · 06-16-2016, 04:29 PM

After watching Jay Leno's Garage last night, my next choice has to be the Koenigsegg One:1. I'll need to check with my wife though. Until then, I'll be happy with my '12 Touring/ Sport 6-spd. My next door neighbor has a '16 Z06 Vette and just parks it in his driveway, facing the street. Guess all the neighbors are supposed to be impressed. He never drives it anywhere. So what's the point? Of course, it is plastic.....

sgosh · 06-16-2016, 05:07 PM

For kicks. All stats are 2016 models and pricing:

If it were purely a case of HP:$, or Power:Weight, every enthusiast would drive the same car. Given the high number of Mustangs on the road these days, we can see what's driving a lot of people's decisions, and we can expect that to tip in the favour of Camaro purely on power per dollar, and even power:weight ratios.

It depends on what we consider valuable.

ZHighlander · 06-16-2016, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgosh

For kicks. All stats are 2016 models and pricing:

If it were purely a case of HP:$, or Power:Weight, every enthusiast would drive the same car. Given the high number of Mustangs on the road these days, we can see what's driving a lot of people's decisions, and we can expect that to tip in the favour of Camaro purely on power per dollar, and even power:weight ratios.

It depends on what we consider valuable.

Too many people are just looking at the HP as the determining factor for performance. Those who criticize the Z like to point out the lack of HP for the buck, in comparison. Hey that's fine, it's not the most practical price point, but there is no denying the Z's handling. Those who criticize usually haven't been in a Z.

Every time I give friends a joy ride for the first time, I purposely push the turns and they're hanging on for dear life, with a facial expression of WTF was that!, and wet the seats out of excitement.

Thank goodness for suede protection.

But guess it's all about who makes it faster to the next traffic light. And if that's the most important thing to the OP, so be it, whatever makes him happy. Just don't underestimate the Z's strong points.

On another note... out of seeing hundreds of Camaros on the street, I've only seen like 8 370zs, and 2 Nismos (not including mine) in my daily drives. I like the uniqueness. But that's my opinion.

JARblue · 06-16-2016, 05:33 PM

Why is the title of this thread 'Hard Decision'? Seems pretty clear the OP does not belong in a Z and needs a different car to beat those GS460s

sgosh · 06-16-2016, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZHighlander

Too many people are just looking at the HP as the determining factor for performance. Those who criticize the Z like to point out the lack of HP for the buck, in comparison. Hey that's fine, it's not the most practical price point, but there is no denying the Z's handling. Those who criticize usually haven't been in a Z.

Every time I give friends a joy ride for the first time, I purposely push the turns and they're hanging on for dear life, with a facial expression of WTF was that!, and wet the seats out of excitement.

Thank goodness for suede protection.

But guess it's all about who makes it faster to the next traffic light. And if that's the most important thing to the OP, so be it, whatever makes him happy. Just don't underestimate the Z's strong points.

On another note... out of seeing hundreds of Camaros on the street, I've only seen like 8 370zs, and 2 Nismos (not including mine) in my daily drives. I like the uniqueness. But that's my opinion.

I agree. In my eyes, and perhaps in the eyes of most Z (or similar niche-car) owners, the biggest enemy to Camaro and Mustang desirability is how common they are. You can find fleets of them in rental-lots!

It's all about personal value-judgments. And for some, it really is "... all about who makes it faster to the next traffic light."

ChopsZ · 06-16-2016, 08:42 PM

I'd much rather have quality, beautiful design, agility and handling over brute force any day. Besides, these Z's aren't no slouch. I've seen 0-60 times on a stock Z range from 5.5 sec all the way down to 4.5 sec, and 1/4 miles times from 13.5 sec down to 12.7 sec. And that's all from a $30k sports car.

Any car from Porsche, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Lexus, etc, etc that's capable of 4.5 sec 0-60 and a 12.7 sec 1/4 mile time range between $60k - $80k.

Of course, I could add the Camaro, Mustang and Corvette in that list too, but that list above is for REAL cars that can go fast and hug the corners.

And while we're talking about the Z vs the Camaro or Mustang, those two still don't hold a candle to the outstanding looks of the Z. They just don't compare at all to the Z in style and design.

Anywho...

Duc_Z09 · 06-16-2016, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChopsZ

Of course, I could add the Camaro, Mustang and Corvette in that list too, but that list above is for REAL cars that can go fast and hug the corners.

And while we're talking about the Z vs the Camaro or Mustang, those two still don't hold a candle to the outstanding looks of the Z. They just don't compare at all to the Z in style and design.

Anywho...

Style is subjective; personally I like the looks of the 15+ Mustang while the Camaro still looks like a turd IMO. As far as the C7 'Vette not holding onto corners... it beats the Z in every measurable category. For 2x the price it should, but don't go being an import homer while the domestic is obviously superior in this case. Hell, the GT350 beats the crap out of the Z too, both in cornering (surprisingly) and acceleration (not even remotely close).

Amj2020 · 06-17-2016, 07:12 AM

Wow its brutal this morning on here:P

The 370z looks amazing and turns way more heads than any camaro, mustang or challenger outside of a hellcat ever will. I have sometimes felt the need to get more hp, and thought about going forced induction on my Z, but honestly I dont see the value in the cost of putting all that work into the Z with what I have already done. Its plenty quick and I customized the entire body, its an amazing car putting over 310 to the wheels.

If you want to get power, and you want it cheaper than you can with a Zcar then go American Muscle. You wont have nearly as cool of a car, or something unique, but it will be super fast, and a lot cheaper to upgrade. I had a camaro ss as a rental car in Vegas, and I really did not enjoy it all that much overall. That being said, follow your heart and do what makes you happy. If you wanna tear it up light to light against family movers and other idiots in cars, then you may have already made up your mind!
Gl with the choice! For 50k you should save a little more and get the 2017 zl1 Camaro

Rocxtar · 06-17-2016, 07:15 AM

Maybe OP's excitement with owing a Z is no longer there? It happens sometimes specially if you have a second favorite. If I ever had to get rid of my Z would most likely be due to practicality (since it's only 2 seats and RWD). Hope that never happens but if it ever did I think my NEXT choice would be.

Subaru WRX

I don't think I could see myself in American Muscle, regardless of how much HP they may have. But as I said before, it's your life and you decision. While you may get burned by some of us regarding your reasons of wanting to change to another car, some of us do bring very good valid points. One thing I'll tell you, Z turns HEADS everywhere, it's a great feeling seeing people smile and point as you are passing by. Camaro's and Mustangs are so common now that they blend in everywhere they go.

kenchan · 06-17-2016, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zae757

Again, I love my car and would do anything to keep it but the last straw was when a 2010 Lexus GS460 left me at the light. I didn't know we were about to go but at no point should the 370Z need notice of a pending challenger of that caliber.

u have self esteem issues.

minivans driven by bald headed middle aged men dust me in my Z and STI all da time. dey fast

OldGuyFla · 06-17-2016, 07:51 AM

I think everyone has scared the OP away, he hasn't responded.

sgosh · 06-17-2016, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocxtar

Maybe OP's excitement with owing a Z is no longer there? It happens sometimes specially if you have a second favorite. If I ever had to get rid of my Z would most likely be due to practicality (since it's only 2 seats and RWD). Hope that never happens but if it ever did I think my NEXT choice would be.

Subaru WRX

I don't think I could see myself in American Muscle, regardless of how much HP they may have. But as I said before, it's your life and you decision. While you may get burned by some of us regarding your reasons of wanting to change to another car, some of us do bring very good valid points. One thing I'll tell you, Z turns HEADS everywhere, it's a great feeling seeing people smile and point as you are passing by. Camaro's and Mustangs are so common now that they blend in everywhere they go.

I don't know who to attribute this quote to (It could be Curt Cobain); if this is you, you probably own a Z:

"They laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at them because they're the same.".

ChopsZ · 06-17-2016, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duc_Z09

Style is subjective; personally I like the looks of the 15+ Mustang while the Camaro still looks like a turd IMO. As far as the C7 'Vette not holding onto corners... it beats the Z in every measurable category. For 2x the price it should, but don't go being an import homer while the domestic is obviously superior in this case. Hell, the GT350 beats the crap out of the Z too, both in cornering (surprisingly) and acceleration (not even remotely close).

Yes, style is subjective, and quite frankly, the new Mustangs are pretty darn sweet looking. The Corvettes are nice from the front and sides, but the back end is totally hideous.

And yes, the new American cars are getting much better in both quality and handling, especially the Mustang and Vette. The Camaro I don't know anything about. With that said, the interior of most all of the American cars is just cheap looking with fake chrome, fake aluminum and fake carbon fiber. They're just really cheap looking. Again, my opinion.

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cv129 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,192 Drives: 09 Nismo, 16 Nismo Rep Power: 159827	^ except Jay Leno old guy likes this. __________________ Setrab \| RE-71 \| SPL \| JRZ \| Nismo \| ARK \| Whiteline \| RacingBrake \| CJM Oil Pan \| Ti shield

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mishuko A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: bouncin on tigga Posts: 8,062 Drives: '12 Z Rep Power: 9434	I never got passed at the tail of the dragon... lol Seriously as fun as the 6 second wot thrill may be it's more enjoyable doing spirited corners. None of the cars mentioned like to follow my spirited corners wanker likes this.

06-16-2016, 04:29 PM	#18 (permalink)
Larso1 Base Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Pueblo CO Posts: 98 Drives: 12 Nissan 370Z T M6 Rep Power: 9	After watching Jay Leno's Garage last night, my next choice has to be the Koenigsegg One:1. I'll need to check with my wife though. Until then, I'll be happy with my '12 Touring/ Sport 6-spd. My next door neighbor has a '16 Z06 Vette and just parks it in his driveway, facing the street. Guess all the neighbors are supposed to be impressed. He never drives it anywhere. So what's the point? Of course, it is plastic..... Last edited by Larso1; 06-16-2016 at 04:41 PM.

06-16-2016, 05:07 PM	#19 (permalink)
sgosh Base Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: New Westminster, BC Age: 54 Posts: 234 Drives: 16 370Z 14 X6 12 TL Rep Power: 10	For kicks. All stats are 2016 models and pricing: If it were purely a case of HP:$, or Power:Weight, every enthusiast would drive the same car. Given the high number of Mustangs on the road these days, we can see what's driving a lot of people's decisions, and we can expect that to tip in the favour of Camaro purely on power per dollar, and even power:weight ratios. It depends on what we consider valuable. ZHighlander likes this. __________________ History: Pontiac-> Honda-> Datsun-> Toyota-> Chevy-> Acura. Currently: Acura, BMW and Nissan. Last edited by sgosh; 06-16-2016 at 05:11 PM.

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JARblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Age: 43 Posts: 36,449 Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3 Rep Power: 2684440	Why is the title of this thread 'Hard Decision'? Seems pretty clear the OP does not belong in a Z and needs a different car to beat those GS460s cv129 likes this. __________________ 2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic \| ARC \| CJM \| Ecutek \| FI \| Fujimura \| R2C \| SPL \| Stillen \| TWM \| Z1 \| ZSpeed \|

06-16-2016, 08:42 PM	#23 (permalink)
ChopsZ Track Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: Central Florida Age: 48 Posts: 965 Drives: 2016 370Z GM 6MT Rep Power: 2300	I'd much rather have quality, beautiful design, agility and handling over brute force any day. Besides, these Z's aren't no slouch. I've seen 0-60 times on a stock Z range from 5.5 sec all the way down to 4.5 sec, and 1/4 miles times from 13.5 sec down to 12.7 sec. And that's all from a $30k sports car. Any car from Porsche, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Lexus, etc, etc that's capable of 4.5 sec 0-60 and a 12.7 sec 1/4 mile time range between $60k - $80k. Of course, I could add the Camaro, Mustang and Corvette in that list too, but that list above is for REAL cars that can go fast and hug the corners. And while we're talking about the Z vs the Camaro or Mustang, those two still don't hold a candle to the outstanding looks of the Z. They just don't compare at all to the Z in style and design. Anywho... Wheels3309 likes this. __________________ She's For Sale! PERFORMANCE: Aero Workz \| Akebono \| BC Racing \| EcuTek \| HKS \| MaxBore \| Motordyne \| Nismo \| RJM \| SPL \| StopTech \| Z1 AUDIO: Arc Audio \| Bazooka \| Helix \| Pioneer \| Stereo Integrity

06-17-2016, 07:12 AM	#25 (permalink)
Amj2020 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: NY/LI Posts: 393 Drives: MB Z,Jeep,BMW Rep Power: 13	Wow its brutal this morning on here:P The 370z looks amazing and turns way more heads than any camaro, mustang or challenger outside of a hellcat ever will. I have sometimes felt the need to get more hp, and thought about going forced induction on my Z, but honestly I dont see the value in the cost of putting all that work into the Z with what I have already done. Its plenty quick and I customized the entire body, its an amazing car putting over 310 to the wheels. If you want to get power, and you want it cheaper than you can with a Zcar then go American Muscle. You wont have nearly as cool of a car, or something unique, but it will be super fast, and a lot cheaper to upgrade. I had a camaro ss as a rental car in Vegas, and I really did not enjoy it all that much overall. That being said, follow your heart and do what makes you happy. If you wanna tear it up light to light against family movers and other idiots in cars, then you may have already made up your mind! Gl with the choice! For 50k you should save a little more and get the 2017 zl1 Camaro __________________ 2012 Magnetic Black 370z \| Fast Intentions CBE \| Stillen G3 \| Motordyne ART \| H&R Coilovers \| Work Emotion \| Fujimura \| Uprev \| Amuse\| GT-R Start

06-17-2016, 07:15 AM	#26 (permalink)
Rocxtar Base Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 79 Drives: 09 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 10	Maybe OP's excitement with owing a Z is no longer there? It happens sometimes specially if you have a second favorite. If I ever had to get rid of my Z would most likely be due to practicality (since it's only 2 seats and RWD). Hope that never happens but if it ever did I think my NEXT choice would be. Subaru WRX I don't think I could see myself in American Muscle, regardless of how much HP they may have. But as I said before, it's your life and you decision. While you may get burned by some of us regarding your reasons of wanting to change to another car, some of us do bring very good valid points. One thing I'll tell you, Z turns HEADS everywhere, it's a great feeling seeing people smile and point as you are passing by. Camaro's and Mustangs are so common now that they blend in everywhere they go.

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OldGuyFla A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Indian Lake Estates Fl Posts: 1,049 Drives: 14 370Z TS Roadster Rep Power: 19127	I think everyone has scared the OP away, he hasn't responded. __________________

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