6MT vs. 7AT 370z

RCZ · 01-01-2009, 08:03 PM

It's fun. I mean if you can defend getting the automatic slushbox over the manual, then by all means I'd like to hear it. If traffic is your biggest issue...come on, its really NOT that bad to drive a stick in traffic...the benefits of the manual far outweigh the convenience of the automatic..if you can't see that, get a jetta.

invazn · 01-01-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

It's fun. I mean if you can defend getting the automatic slushbox over the manual, then by all means I'd like to hear it. If traffic is your biggest issue...come on, its really NOT that bad to drive a stick in traffic...the benefits of the manual far outweigh the convenience of the automatic..if you can't see that, get a jetta.

What is the practical benefit of a manual?

dutty370Z · 01-01-2009, 08:12 PM

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What is the practical benefit of a manual?

ha! take THAT guy! and jettas arent that bad

RCZ · 01-01-2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by invazn

What is the practical benefit of a manual?

Practical? oh I dont know, being able immediately control what gear your car is in comes to mind. You know, always a good thing to be able to do. That is a dream with the 7AT. You gotta wait for it to decide that its ok to drop the gears. If you need to drop 3 gears, then that might take a good bit longer than it would on the manual.

Its not about practicality though, its about feeling connected and enjoying the car. A manual is much more satisfying than the 7AT...those were the benefits I was talking about, NOT the practical ones. Sure its less convenient and easy and comfortable, but like I said, its a sports car and you should be able to enjoy it and drive it as such, otherwise whats the point. It's not about getting from A to B..

Thats just my opinion though, its your car and your tastes my friend. I wouldn't put you down for getting the 7AT, not now not ever, but I have a different idea about cars I think than you do.

PS: I know Jettas aren't bad. They just aren't sport coupes.

dutty370Z · 01-01-2009, 08:33 PM

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Practical? oh I dont know, being able immediately control what gear your car is in comes to mind. You know, always a good thing to be able to do. That is a dream with the 7AT. You gotta wait for it to decide that its ok to drop the gears. If you need to drop 3 gears, then that might take a good bit longer than it would on the manual.

Its not about practicality though, its about feeling connected and enjoying the car. A manual is much more satisfying than the 7AT...those were the benefits I was talking about, NOT the practical ones. Sure its less convenient and easy and comfortable, but like I said, its a sports car and you should be able to enjoy it and drive it as such, otherwise whats the point. It's not about getting from A to B..

Thats just my opinion though, its your car and your tastes my friend. I wouldn't put you down for getting the 7AT, not now not ever, but I have a different idea about cars I think than you do.

PS: I know Jettas aren't bad. They just aren't sport coupes.

Yeah your right. But because this 7AT has a true sport mode, where the gears are controlled directly by the paddle shifters with no assistance and practically instantaneous shifts, it will give you more of that direct connection you need.

It'll never be as fun as throwing the b|tch in gear with your right hand, gripping the wheel with your left, depressing and releasing the clutch, and slamming on the gas, but... hmm... that does sound like more fun... and the MT is like $1k cheaper... why am I not getting the MT again... i'm all confused...

Alexus · 01-01-2009, 08:40 PM

I'm simply not getting it out of convenience. My 370Z, if I decide to buy it, will be my daily driver, but I still want to option to crush riced-out Civics when I want to. I commute for nearly an hour every morning in traffic and sometimes in snowstorms, so a manual transmission is out of the question.

RCZ · 01-01-2009, 08:46 PM

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I got an idea, how about everyone just buy what they want to buy :O

I am flattered that you think I could possibly have any influence on what someone buys. hehe Like I said, I don't care what you buy, it comes down to everyone's taste. The thing is that this thread was made to compare the two, so I was just giving my two cents. Take it or leave it, thats the beauty of it all.

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Yeah your right. But because this 7AT has a true sport mode, where the gears are controlled directly by the paddle shifters with no assistance and practically instantaneous shifts, it will give you more of that direct connection you need.

Whats the difference between having a down paddle on the left and an up paddle on the right when they do the same thing that a steptronic gear selector would do in any other manumatic when you push it forwards and back?

Practically instantaneous is where I think you're a little misinformed. There is a sensible delay that may not bother you, but I know would bother me. Specially when we're talking driving it spiritedly or on the track...

frost · 01-01-2009, 08:49 PM

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I am flattered that you think I could possibly have any influence on what someone buys. hehe Like I said, I don't care what you buy, it comes down to everyone's taste. The thing is that this thread was made to compare the two, so I was just giving my two cents.

Yeah, I know. We just can't seem to have one of these threads without someone getting their feelings hurt.
Making threads like these is like owning guns, we should be able to do it and be responsible about it ... but humans just aren't ready for that responsibility yet.

Alexus · 01-01-2009, 09:03 PM

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Whats the difference between having a down paddle on the left and an up paddle on the right when they do the same thing that a steptronic gear selector would do in any other manumatic when you push it forwards and back?

The difference is that you can have both hands on the steering wheel which in turn allows for "more spirited driving."

AK370Z · 01-01-2009, 09:28 PM

I hate this kind of threads. Just let people buy whichever they feel comfortable with. I drive an auto so I'm cooler than you or watch me do a 100 ft burnout in my 6MT-- is complete nonsense

. Whichever one you're comfortable with, go with that transmission.

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you're gonna one day have to accept that paddles are a proven technology and they will become the median. Not to mention ferrari pioneered them.. every review having to do with the paddles vs. stick has said the paddles were better... go look at the new M3 & 911 article on car and driver.. go look at the G's performance figures.. all audis including the R8.. and ferraris.

DO NOT confuse yourself with Dual clutch transmission(M3s, GTRs etc) vs regular automatic transmission with paddle shifters (like G37s and 370Zs). The DCT is far more superior than the regular Automatic transmissions. GTR DCT cost 20K dollars and we will never see a Dual Clutch Transmission in a entry level sports car like 370Z.

Twin-clutch gearbox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

HowStuffWorks "How Dual-clutch Transmissions Work"

In conclusion, everyone is entitled to their opinions. Just because one isn't agreeing with one's transmission choice, doesn't make them wrong in this issue.

This thread will be locked shortly. If you have anything to say, you've got 20 minutes.

invazn · 01-01-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

Practical? oh I dont know, being able immediately control what gear your car is in comes to mind. You know, always a good thing to be able to do. That is a dream with the 7AT. You gotta wait for it to decide that its ok to drop the gears. If you need to drop 3 gears, then that might take a good bit longer than it would on the manual.

Its not about practicality though, its about feeling connected and enjoying the car. A manual is much more satisfying than the 7AT...those were the benefits I was talking about, NOT the practical ones. Sure its less convenient and easy and comfortable, but like I said, its a sports car and you should be able to enjoy it and drive it as such, otherwise whats the point. It's not about getting from A to B..

I bet I can click a paddle 3 times before you even depress the clutch pedal all the way down.

Preference is hardly a benefit. I assumed you meant something more objective.

RCZ · 01-01-2009, 09:32 PM

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I bet I can click a paddle 3 times before you even depress the clutch pedal all the way down.

Preference is hardly a benefit. I assumed you meant something more objective.

I bet you can click the paddle more than 3 times before I can press the clutch. But do you think the car is going to shift gears every time you click when you click really fast? You have a rough realization ahead of you. You may click it 6 times in less than 2 seconds but it will still only drop one gear haha. It doesnt just drop gears as soon as you press it.... ALL tranmissions have delay.

Awww come on AK

I understand though, I'm just being informational. Other people are going to catch this thread and benefit from the information.

Everyone should always buy what they want, but I'd rather make them think I'm an *** now and be well informed, than for them to buy something on wrong information and be stuck with a car they dont enjoy.

Why must things escalate to arguments when we were all just having a nice chat...

AK370Z · 01-01-2009, 09:46 PM

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Everyone should always buy what they want, but I'd rather make them think I'm an *** now and be well informed, than for them to buy something on wrong information and be stuck with a car they dont enjoy.

Both automatic and manual transmission in the new Z is superb! You can't go wrong with either one. The new Z with Automatic Transmission feautures electronically controlled 7-speed automatic transmission with manual shift mode, Adaptive Shift Control (ASC), Downshift Rev Matching (DRM) and standard paddle shifters.

And the 6-speed close-ratio manual transmission is available with “SynchroRev Match,” the world’s first synchronized downshift rev matching manual transmission allowing perfectly matched heel-toe-like downshifting.

Educ8r · 01-01-2009, 08:18 PM

Try living in a city with 2.2 million people; I enjoy a manual transmission too, but I'm leaning towards the automatic.

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come on, its really NOT that bad to drive a stick in traffic...

Alexus · 01-01-2009, 08:21 PM

There's nothing absolutely nothing practical about a manual transmission... and yes, driving in traffic with a manual sports car is a nightmare.

01-01-2009, 08:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1120	It's fun. I mean if you can defend getting the automatic slushbox over the manual, then by all means I'd like to hear it. If traffic is your biggest issue...come on, its really NOT that bad to drive a stick in traffic...the benefits of the manual far outweigh the convenience of the automatic..if you can't see that, get a jetta.

01-01-2009, 08:40 PM	#6 (permalink)
Alexus Base Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Montreal, QC Posts: 178 Drives: The Beast Rep Power: 18	I'm simply not getting it out of convenience. My 370Z, if I decide to buy it, will be my daily driver, but I still want to option to crush riced-out Civics when I want to. I commute for nearly an hour every morning in traffic and sometimes in snowstorms, so a manual transmission is out of the question.

01-01-2009, 08:21 PM	#15 (permalink)
Alexus Base Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Montreal, QC Posts: 178 Drives: The Beast Rep Power: 18	There's nothing absolutely nothing practical about a manual transmission... and yes, driving in traffic with a manual sports car is a nightmare.