[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

Wonka2581 · 01-09-2017, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by njobe89

they'll probably come out with something, just won't be anything that any of us really want lol

I can see it now... it will be something to compete with the Prius..

njobe89 · 01-09-2017, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Wonka2581

I can see it now... it will be something to compete with the Prius..

you're shooting for the sky, come back down to earth lol

triso07 · 01-09-2017, 02:23 PM

That new Vmotion grill is much better than the current one. At least it's a step in the right direction design wise.

RicerX · 01-09-2017, 02:35 PM

The next gen Z will be this ******* doorstop-looking car called the "Bladeglider".

I mean... Fiat made Dots candy come to life in car form with the 500... might as well mimic an ice cream cone on its side with four wheels on it.

When can I get a car that's really a jungle gym for me to climb around on while it takes me to work? Heard McDonalds is going to make an autonomous car that spits out happy meals into the back seat ball-pit on command. I can giggle my way to work basking in nostalgia of my childhood and instantly forget that my desire to drive fun cars as a child has now gone up in smoke in circuitry before my eyes as an adult.

WTF IS HAPPENING TO CARS?!

GraphiteZ · 01-09-2017, 02:47 PM

I don't want the next Z to become a MuZtang using the Q60 as the base or a brZ that can only outrun a Prius. Can they just work on the current car by refining the powertrain, fixing the CSC and using more high strength steel to lower the weight and calling it Z34.5?

sx moneypit · 01-09-2017, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RicerX

The next gen Z will be this ******* doorstop-looking car called the "Bladeglider".

I mean... Fiat made Dots candy come to life in car form with the 500... might as well mimic an ice cream code on its side with four wheels on it.

When can I get a car that's really a jungle gym for me to climb around on while it takes me to work? Heard McDonalds is going to make an autonomous car that spits out happy meals into the back seat ball-pit on command. I can giggle my way to work basking in nostalgia of my childhood and instantly forget that my desire to drive fun cars as a child has now gone up in smoke in circuitry before my eyes as an adult.

WTF IS HAPPENING TO CARS?!

RicerX · 01-09-2017, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by triso07

3100lbs is unreasonable? The current Z weighs 3300lbs. The Juke weighs 3100lbs with AWD and a CUV bodystyle. 3100lbs does not seem an unreasonable ask if you get a stripper car.

The Juke actually tops out in AWD form in the 3220lb area. Keep in mind that's with an engine half the size of the motor in the Z. Please also keep in mind that the 3000lb version of the Juke is FWD, and doesn’t have any of the supporting hardware (and extra weight) that comes with facilitating a RWD layout.

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Better sound proofing = luxury car? I didn't say it has to be a Mercedes. Quell some of the creaks, rattles, wind noise, tire roar. They just did this recently with the GTR.

It also added weight. The 2017 GT-R in its lightest trim is 50lbs or so heavier than the outgoing 2016 in its lightest trim. That's net of the benefit of the titanium exhaust system equipped standard in the 2017. Adding soundproofing adds weight, period.

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Nothing is wrong with the current Z's handling, nor did I ever say there was. That doesn't mean you don't look to improve. Each generation Camaro has been increasing their handling capabilities, just look at the 1LE. You don't just leave things as they are because they're good ... you evolve. It's a selling point.

Agree... but the Camaro also got slightly more expensive while working on a heavily revised SHARED Alpha platform. The engines themselves, however, were not significantly reworked, except for the performance models such as the ZL1.

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Two transmission choices is a problem? They have DCTs in their lineup, use one in the Z and retain a manual for purists. It's an option. People would be over the moon if they offered a DCT in the Z.

7 speed because highway cruise gear. Not necessary but again, they need to stay competitive and 7 is quickly becoming the new 6. You'd be happy if the new Z even has a manual? You expect too little.

The DCTs in Nissan's lineup? Which ones are those? Don't include the GT-R (since the GT-Rs GR6 transmission just won't port over to any other platform Nissan builds). Oh you mean Infiniti? The DCTs that Mercedes builds and provides that are mated to the 2.0L turbo motors also built and provided by Mercedes? Those are supposed to magically mate to some 450hp twin turbo V6 in the sky that Nissan is holding out on for the next gen Z? And handle the torque output? And be lighter than the trans assemblies in the current 370Z?

I’m not even going to talk about the benefits of having extra gears so that the ratios are spread seven ways instead of six for acceleration purposes and staying in the power curve on a road course. Highway cruise gear. For Priuses.

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They are selling base Vettes for 49k. A Nismo Z comparably equipped is like 46k new and it offers no where near the performance of a Vette. Honestly it doesn't even compete with the Camaro 1LE. Admittedly they're different cars, but people looking to pick up the Z because it's a sporty looking car that has good performance per dollar are going elsewhere because there are better options on the market.

I did not see a single valid reason why what I listed is inconceivable in a modern sports coupe in today's competitive market.

You mean you can't buy a 370Z for less than MSRP, but you can get $6k off a Vette? You're chipping around reality quite a bit to try and make a case.

If you build what you listed, IT WILL NOT BE COMPETITIVELY PRICED FOR THE MARKET IN WHICH IT COMPETES. That's the whole point of this thread! Should they build it, and it puts up Cayman or Vette numbers, it will be priced accordingly, and subsequently pushed upmarket. Even then, while you may have great value for dollar, you have the problem of obtaining conquest buyers in a VERY TOUGH buyer loyalty area occupied by Chevy and Porsche.

Most buyers still in this market now are leaving the Z because they want an UPGRADE from what they have owned since 2009 and they're willing to spend more for various reasons (increased buying power, etc). The problem is NISSAN DOESN'T OFFER ANYTHING BETWEEN $40k and $100k. That's a hell of a gap. In 2009, when GT-Rs were $75k, we wouldn't have this problem - the Z guys would be after GT-Rs right now. But now we do, and that space is occupied by the Vette and the Cayman, among others like BMW with the M3/4 and Cadillac with the V cars. The Z has to be a hell of a car to compete there, and honestly, for the Infiniti brand to survive, that's a space it needs to occupy instead of Nissan. But Infiniti isn't done with its identity crisis yet.

What you have said multiple times in this thread is not at all impossible from an engineering standpoint. It's borderline impossible from a BUSINESS standpoint in the context of NISSAN'S BUSINESS. Unfortunately, Nissan is a business and not a charity. Be prepared to spend $60k if they build anything competitive and don't give a **** about the Infiniti brand when they build it. That is the reality of the situation, and that reality only exists if Nissan chooses to use the Z as a deviation from its current business model and vision for the future of that model.

JARblue · 01-09-2017, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RicerX

WTF IS HAPPENING TO CARS?!

I foresee playing a video game on a controller while sitting in the driver seat and the car plays it out in real life

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-09-2017, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by triso07

Very strange emotional response there.

3100lbs is unreasonable? The current Z weighs 3300lbs. The Juke weighs 3100lbs with AWD and a CUV bodystyle. 3100lbs does not seem an unreasonable ask if you get a stripper car.

Better sound proofing = luxury car? I didn't say it has to be a Mercedes. Quell some of the creaks, rattles, wind noise, tire roar. They just did this recently with the GTR.

Nothing is wrong with the current Z's handling, nor did I ever say there was. That doesn't mean you don't look to improve. Each generation Camaro has been increasing their handling capabilities, just look at the 1LE. You don't just leave things as they are because they're good ... you evolve. It's a selling point.

Two transmission choices is a problem? They have DCTs in their lineup, use one in the Z and retain a manual for purists. It's an option. People would be over the moon if they offered a DCT in the Z.

7 speed because highway cruise gear. Not necessary but again, they need to stay competitive and 7 is quickly becoming the new 6. You'd be happy if the new Z even has a manual? You expect too little.

Pretty sure I didn't mention anything about a track car (though it would be nice to have more variants in the Z lineup). Me saying I think they should improve braking and handling does not equate to building a track car. That's quite a jump.

They are selling base Vettes for 49k. A Nismo Z comparably equipped is like 46k new and it offers no where near the performance of a Vette. Honestly it doesn't even compete with the Camaro 1LE. Admittedly they're different cars, but people looking to pick up the Z because it's a sporty looking car that has good performance per dollar are going elsewhere because there are better options on the market.

I did not see a single valid reason why what I listed is inconceivable in a modern sports coupe in today's competitive market.

Nissan absolutely is missing the boat right now. They have the capability to siphon some muscle car buyers, get BRZ owners to upgrade, and pull people who really want higher level vettes and caymans but can't afford them. Instead they are sitting idly by not looking for market share.

I'll agree 3100lbs is NOT unreasonable for a Z. A matter of fact, it the stinger coupe does come with 375hp with 2800lbs?:? The Z meds to match or exceed that. It's not u reasonable. It's just Nissan Manginas won't do it.

Nithmo · 01-09-2017, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RicerX

The next gen Z will be this ******* doorstop-looking car called the "Bladeglider".

I mean... Fiat made Dots candy come to life in car form with the 500... might as well mimic an ice cream cone on its side with four wheels on it.

When can I get a car that's really a jungle gym for me to climb around on while it takes me to work? Heard McDonalds is going to make an autonomous car that spits out happy meals into the back seat ball-pit on command. I can giggle my way to work basking in nostalgia of my childhood and instantly forget that my desire to drive fun cars as a child has now gone up in smoke in circuitry before my eyes as an adult.

WTF IS HAPPENING TO CARS?!

I thought it looks more like a piece of pizza... With bland toppings

Nithmo · 01-09-2017, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I'll agree 3100lbs is NOT unreasonable for a Z. A matter of fact, it the stinger coupe does come with 375hp with 2800lbs?:? The Z meds to match or exceed that. It's not u reasonable. It's just Nissan Manginas won't do it.

You're missing half the equation. Can Nissan make the Z weigh 3000-3100 pounds? Sure. But at what cost? Show me another competitive car that weighs that little. Go ahead, I'll wait.

It doesn't exist because it is cost prohibitive. You're saying Nissan should just make the design/car better. It doesn't work like that. At all.

If you want a car like that, you should've started yelling at your neighbors, coworkers, family and friends and force them to have bought 370s over the last 5 years. THAT is the sole reason this car doesn't exist.

shadow85 · 01-10-2017, 01:01 AM

any photos of the Z35 yet?

triso07 · 01-10-2017, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Nithmo

You're missing half the equation. Can Nissan make the Z weigh 3000-3100 pounds? Sure. But at what cost? Show me another competitive car that weighs that little. Go ahead, I'll wait.

It doesn't exist because it is cost prohibitive. You're saying Nissan should just make the design/car better. It doesn't work like that. At all.

If you want a car like that, you should've started yelling at your neighbors, coworkers, family and friends and force them to have bought 370s over the last 5 years. THAT is the sole reason this car doesn't exist.

You guys really need to stop saying this. All this they can't do it stuff is nonsense. They can, they just aren't.

No one is saying build a car with a carbon fiber tub, 500hp motor, carbon ceramic brakes, and electronic suspension and sell it to me for 40k. These requests are not unrealistic despite the fact you keep saying they are.

Don't tell me a DCT is unrealistic either as my goddamn Mitsubishi Evo has one and cost under 40k brand new.

triso07 · 01-10-2017, 06:25 AM

Want to see what the current 1LE Camaro offers for 46k ...

V8 455 horsepower
6-speed manual transmission
Magnetic Ride Control
electronic limited-slip differential
Forged-aluminum wheels running 285/30ZR20 front and 305/30ZR20 rear
Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar tires
Brembo brakes with 6-piston 2-piece rotor
Track cooling packages like engine oil, differential, and trans
Dual-mode exhaust
RECARO seats
Available Performance Data Recorder
Rev Matching

triso07 · 01-10-2017, 06:29 AM

You honestly think a 3100lb 400hp DCT Brembo Brake Recaro seat optioned Z should cost more than 46k?

The base Cayman comes in around 52k.

01-09-2017, 02:35 PM	#2929 (permalink)
RicerX Track Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: TN Posts: 597 Drives: To the Pizza joint. Rep Power: 7720	The next gen Z will be this ******* doorstop-looking car called the "Bladeglider". I mean... Fiat made Dots candy come to life in car form with the 500... might as well mimic an ice cream cone on its side with four wheels on it. When can I get a car that's really a jungle gym for me to climb around on while it takes me to work? Heard McDonalds is going to make an autonomous car that spits out happy meals into the back seat ball-pit on command. I can giggle my way to work basking in nostalgia of my childhood and instantly forget that my desire to drive fun cars as a child has now gone up in smoke in circuitry before my eyes as an adult. WTF IS HAPPENING TO CARS?! Wonka2581 likes this. Last edited by RicerX; 01-09-2017 at 02:58 PM.

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triso07 Base Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 174 Drives: xxxxxxx Rep Power: 14	That new Vmotion grill is much better than the current one. At least it's a step in the right direction design wise.

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GraphiteZ Base Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Northern VA Posts: 96 Drives: 05 Elise and 13 GTI Rep Power: 31	I don't want the next Z to become a MuZtang using the Q60 as the base or a brZ that can only outrun a Prius. Can they just work on the current car by refining the powertrain, fixing the CSC and using more high strength steel to lower the weight and calling it Z34.5?

01-10-2017, 01:01 AM	#2937 (permalink)
shadow85 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: South Australia, Austra Posts: 917 Drives: 15' 370Z A/T AMM TT Rep Power: 24	any photos of the Z35 yet?

01-10-2017, 06:25 AM	#2939 (permalink)
triso07 Base Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 174 Drives: xxxxxxx Rep Power: 14	Want to see what the current 1LE Camaro offers for 46k ... V8 455 horsepower 6-speed manual transmission Magnetic Ride Control electronic limited-slip differential Forged-aluminum wheels running 285/30ZR20 front and 305/30ZR20 rear Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar tires Brembo brakes with 6-piston 2-piece rotor Track cooling packages like engine oil, differential, and trans Dual-mode exhaust RECARO seats Available Performance Data Recorder Rev Matching

01-10-2017, 06:29 AM	#2940 (permalink)
triso07 Base Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 174 Drives: xxxxxxx Rep Power: 14	You honestly think a 3100lb 400hp DCT Brembo Brake Recaro seat optioned Z should cost more than 46k? The base Cayman comes in around 52k.