Tien S Tech Lowering Springs & H&R 15mm Spacers

Hotrodz · 12-29-2012, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MJB

I really like the feel with the Tein springs. I just went coilovers for the freedom of lowering or raising when need be.

From the looks of your alignment sheet you are going to need some camber arms.

Okay, help me out...I know little to nothing about this part of the game. I do know toe is the devil one must deal with when you go low. I'm open to advise!!!

1Stunna · 12-30-2012, 02:17 AM

I suggest as soon as you drop your car. Get a four wheel alignment A.S.A.P. it will save you later. Also as soon as you lower it. It shouldn't effect your camber to bad yet. In the later stages when it settles down then you have problems in trying to get your alignments back to par. Basically if u get your alignments done right away. It will settle down with the alignment in tact. Will also save your tires to be honest. Think smart especially with a car like a Z. Trust!

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

Okay, help me out...I know little to nothing about this part of the game. I do know toe is the devil one must deal with when you go low. I'm open to advise!!!

MJB · 12-30-2012, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 1Stunna

I suggest as soon as you drop your car. Get a four wheel alignment A.S.A.P. it will save you later. Also as soon as you lower it. It shouldn't effect your camber to bad yet. In the later stages when it settles down then you have problems in trying to get your alignments back to par. Basically if u get your alignments done right away. It will settle down with the alignment in tact. Will also save your tires to be honest. Think smart especially with a car like a Z. Trust!

Lol, he did get a four wheel alignment but his settings are all out of factory tolerance.

OP, read this and you should be good to go- Suspension adjustments and how they affect handling

Here is a link to some front/rear camber arms and toe bolts. You could get them from numerous sites but Z1 is pretty awesome- Suspension1

*And it looks like you can get away with just camber arms but I would get toe bolts too just to be safe. Camber and toe go together and affect each other... so even though your toe is within specs now, once you start messing with camber is might through it out of tolerance and vise versa.

*Honestly after looking at your alignment sheet, its really not too bad. Your front camber on the left side is only .1 out of spec. You really could just leave it, tire should wear close to evenly with the right. I would go front camber arms if you plan on lowering again in the future with coilovers or different springs.

Also, your rear camber is -2.5. That isn't to extreme. Lots of members on here run aggressive camber like that. You'll notice faster tire wear though on the insides of the tire. Stock tolerance is max -2.2. I would at the minimum get rear camber arms.

Hotrodz · 12-30-2012, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MJB

Lol, he did get a four wheel alignment but his settings are all out of factory tolerance.

OP, read this and you should be good to go- Suspension adjustments and how they affect handling

Here is a link to some front/rear camber arms and toe bolts. You could get them from numerous sites but Z1 is pretty awesome- Suspension1

*And it looks like you can get away with just camber arms but I would get toe bolts too just to be safe. Camber and toe go together and affect each other... so even though your toe is within specs now, once you start messing with camber is might through it out of tolerance and vise versa.

*Honestly after looking at your alignment sheet, its really not too bad. Your front camber on the left side is only .1 out of spec. You really could just leave it, tire should wear close to evenly with the right. I would go front camber arms if you plan on lowering again in the future with coilovers or different springs.

Also, your rear camber is -2.5. That isn't to extreme. Lots of members on here run aggressive camber like that. You'll notice faster tire wear though on the insides of the tire. Stock tolerance is max -2.2. I would at the minimum get rear camber arms.

Thanks for you advice, rep given.

Hotrodz · 12-30-2012, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 1Stunna

I suggest as soon as you drop your car. Get a four wheel alignment A.S.A.P. it will save you later. Also as soon as you lower it. It shouldn't effect your camber to bad yet. In the later stages when it settles down then you have problems in trying to get your alignments back to par. Basically if u get your alignments done right away. It will settle down with the alignment in tact. Will also save your tires to be honest. Think smart especially with a car like a Z. Trust!

The car was aligned on the same day as the springs and spacers were installed. They were all done at the same shop!

Sorry MJB I hadn't read your post yet!

forza370z · 12-30-2012, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 1Stunna

I suggest as soon as you drop your car. Get a four wheel alignment A.S.A.P. it will save you later. Also as soon as you lower it. It shouldn't effect your camber to bad yet. In the later stages when it settles down then you have problems in trying to get your alignments back to par. Basically if u get your alignments done right away. It will settle down with the alignment in tact. Will also save your tires to be honest. Think smart especially with a car like a Z. Trust!

Sorry I disagree with this. 1st, anything lower than 1 inch your car won't get back to factory spec without the camber kits so there is no hurry to do an alignment right away. 2nd, people wait till spring settled THEN do a 4 wheel alignment with the camber kits and toe bolts otherwise you'd waste money do aligment twice if you want to keep it in spec.

To answer OP's question, yes toe is worse then camber and it will eat up your tires badly. It's really your call if you want to get camber kits/toe bolt or not. Some people love the neg camber stance and don't bother change the tires every so often. If you belong to that group, you don't need to spend money on Camber kits. Just go for an allignment and sacrifice the camber(make it more negative) to save the toe(get it as close to the factory spec as you can) and call it a day. If you do that, remember to swap tires from left to right sometimes to even out the wear. If you do want to bring your alignment to factory spec, then just get the camber kits and toe bolts and do an alignment after the springs are settled. SPC is a popular one for the Z and G. It's affordable and good qulity.

nmjaxx9 · 12-30-2012, 02:01 PM

I think teins give the perfect drop, I think with 20-25 spacers it would look sick

Hotrodz · 12-31-2012, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by forza370z

Sorry I disagree with this. 1st, anything lower than 1 inch your car won't get back to factory spec without the camber kits so there is no hurry to do an alignment right away. 2nd, people wait till spring settled THEN do a 4 wheel alignment with the camber kits and toe bolts otherwise you'd waste money do aligment twice if you want to keep it in spec.

To answer OP's question, yes toe is worse then camber and it will eat up your tires badly. It's really your call if you want to get camber kits/toe bolt or not. Some people love the neg camber stance and don't bother change the tires every so often. If you belong to that group, you don't need to spend money on Camber kits. Just go for an allignment and sacrifice the camber(make it more negative) to save the toe(get it as close to the factory spec as you can) and call it a day. If you do that, remember to swap tires from left to right sometimes to even out the wear. If you do want to bring your alignment to factory spec, then just get the camber kits and toe bolts and do an alignment after the springs are settled. SPC is a popular one for the Z and G. It's affordable and good qulity.

Thanks Forza370z, your advice is right on with MJB and Fuct. Fuct told me he was running -1.7 and -2.0 w/o a camber kit or toe bolts. He gave the same feedback as you guys before I started down this road. It is pretty reassuring to know that I am getting quality advise from you all.

I'm going to see how the tires wear for now. I live in a small town, so knowing the shop owner has some dividends. He has promised me a free alignment adjustment later if needed. I may go with camber arms and toe bolts at that time. Thanks again and Rep given.

forza370z · 12-31-2012, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

Thanks Forza370z, your advice is right on with MJB and Fuct. Fuct told me he was running -1.7 and -2.0 w/o a camber kit or toe bolts. He gave the same feedback as you guys before I started down this road. It is pretty reassuring to know that I am getting quality advise from you all.

I'm going to see how the tires wear for now. I live in a small town, so knowing the shop owner has some dividends. He has promised me a free alignment adjustment later if needed. I may go with camber arms and toe bolts at that time. Thanks again and Rep given.

You are welcome buddy. Your car looks nice lowered on those Tein s-tech.

Hotrodz · 12-31-2012, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by forza370z

You are welcome buddy. Your car looks nice lowered on those Tein s-tech.

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by stevent85

Did you do 15mm all 4 corners? Im planning on getting swifts soon and your setup looks sweet!

Yes, 15's on all 4 corners. You can probably go to 20's, but with the Nismo finders you might rub a little if you upsize your tires and drop it 1.5" or more.

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Originally Posted by bb370z

Must be the 2010 silver paint

The GMat sound deadening in the back helped a lot! I covered up those vents in the rear of the car with 2 layers of GMat and some foam. That killed a lot of the road wind noise heard from the rear of the car. Doin the doors right now!

Sweet, that is also on my to do list, but I need to get an oil cooler installed before the summer, I mean mid spring when temps start to rise. Did you install the GMat yourself and if so, on scale 1 to 10 how hard would the install be for a novice?

bb370z · 12-31-2012, 10:43 PM

Ive Installed deadening in many other Vehicles. It's pretty easy to do, it's just really time consuming and the back of the Z isn't the easiest to get into... Oil cooler is on my list also

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nmjaxx9 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Middletown, Ct Posts: 5,853 Drives: 2011 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 27	I think teins give the perfect drop, I think with 20-25 spacers it would look sick

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bb370z Base Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: TN Posts: 145 Drives: 2010 370Z Nismo Rep Power: 14	Ive Installed deadening in many other Vehicles. It's pretty easy to do, it's just really time consuming and the back of the Z isn't the easiest to get into... Oil cooler is on my list also